Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[Quantum Windbag]

Fortunately the proposed law does not disturb public accommodation laws.

Sure it does.

Public Accommodation laws prohibit refusing service based on race. A florist who doesn't want to service an interracial marriage can do so and claim an exemption to the States Pubic Accommodation law under this law for their religious beliefs. Because of the exemption to Public Accommodations laws this statute would provide (if not vetoed) no action could be taken.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062p.pdf

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Hate to prove you wrong again (NOT) but florists are not public accommodations under Arizona law.

https://www.azag.gov/discrimination/public-accommodation-discrimination

 

[sfcalifornia]

Obviously you are leftist, thus you view everyone as property of the state.

A business owner is not your slave, though you demand that they be.

This is from a document that you and your filthy party has never been exposed to;

{Article XIII.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. }

Any attempt to FORCE a person to bake a cake, take a photograph, or otherwise labor against their will, is involuntary servitude, and a violation of the United States Constitution.

Don't like it? Move to ******* Cuba.

Take your own advise and vote with your feet. My side is winning here just fine so there's no reason for me to leave. You, on the other hand, should start saving boxes.

The side of tyranny always wins, at the beginning. Eventually, everyone realizes how stupid it is, and freedom claims the final victory, just like it did when your side passed the Jim Crow laws.

Oh please, you idiot, what do you think, one day ALL laws providing gays equal protection against bigots like you will all of a sudden be rescinded? Have you not noticed gays are being granted equal protections in all states, one by one... states like Utah and Virginia and Oklahoma? How naive and utterly blind to what's happening in this country can you be?

And if you think the country will one day swing back to the draconian, medieval era which you seemingly so greatly desire, then you have your head up your ass further than we all originally thought.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"Private" business is somehow exempt from public accommodation?

Really??

You just hit the nail on the head, which is why some business are only open by appointment.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Just keep lying to yourself, that''s why you lose. I might be Liberal but I'm also a Capitalist. That's the name of the game in this nation, and everyone plays.

You're a bullshitter.

You think you lend credibility to your leftist ideas by pretending to be a business owner.

You simply don't grasp that the idiocy you posts quickly reveals you to be a fraud.

 

[paperview]

Fortunately the proposed law does not disturb public accommodation laws.

Sure it does.

Public Accommodation laws prohibit refusing service based on race. A florist who doesn't want to service an interracial marriage can do so and claim an exemption to the States Pubic Accommodation law under this law for their religious beliefs. Because of the exemption to Public Accommodations laws this statute would provide (if not vetoed) no action could be taken.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062p.pdf

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Hate to prove you wrong again (NOT) but florists are not public accommodations under Arizona law.

https://www.azag.gov/discrimination/public-accommodation-discrimination

Wrong: You <----

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And it is your thinking which is clearly on the wrong side of history.

Two flaws in your post here: A) Planned Parenthood and homosexuality are two separate issues B) it isn't slander or defamation if the statements made in public are true.

We are talking about homosexuals here. A business which won't sell a hamburger or a pack of gum to a man because he's gay is a very stupid business indeed.

You know how I can tell I am talking to a religious fuckwad?

They start talking about history taking sides in events.

You know how we can can spot a dumbfuck in general? When they post ignorant shit which has no relevance in today's society.

Yeah dumbfuck, we're talking about you, Quantum Fartbag.

Why don't you pull your head out of you ass, look around you and take note of the fact that homosexuals are NOT GOING AWAY, in fact, they are an integral and accepted part of society whether ignorant dipshits like you (who lives in San Feancisco btw... And why is that???) decides to live in the "wrong side of history".

Go ahead: prove to us all how the majority of Americans now disapprove of homosexuals.

In the meantime, BOTH Arizona senators have urged Brewer not to sign the bill as well as countless businesses (including the Super Bowl Host Committee).

LOL what an idiot you are.

I might be a dumbfuck, but I have never been offended by a post in the internet. That makes me smarter than you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In the marketplace, your values are our values. At home, and in church, knock yourself out but even there we, the people, have an interest so don't get stupid and start beating the kids or drinking the blood of infants.

Tell you what, hire me to paint your house on those terms, I dare you.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5WaNio9Cx8"]S2E07 05 Go Ahead, Eat It[/ame]

This is why intelligent people don't try to force people to do business with them in the name of equality.

If you don't understand how business is actually done then you aren't hired. And believe me, the first business to play games with the food for the gays will find out, in short order, that it is no longer a business and that the new owners now fly a rainbow flag outside. If you knew what really happens in a restaurant kitchen, you wouldn't eat there.

I understand exactly how business works. I also understand human beings, which is why I will never force anyone who I think hates me to work for me.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Just keep lying to yourself, that''s why you lose. I might be Liberal but I'm also a Capitalist. That's the name of the game in this nation, and everyone plays.

You're a bullshitter.

You think you lend credibility to your leftist ideas by pretending to be a business owner.

You simply don't grasp that the idiocy you posts quickly reveals you to be a fraud.

You fail to accept the concept that money is money.

I'd invest in PaintMyHouse's business long before I'd consider yours.

You seem to think morality pays the rent.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The law specifically says those who which to discriminate must base that discrimination on "their sacred texts and religious teachings and interpretations and understandings inform them to be so", the law is base purely on the indivdiuals religious beliefs.

As such refusing service to an interracial or interfaith couple and mouth religious reasons is fine.



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The bill does not allow anyone to discriminate based on race, or even sexual preference, it simply restricts the state's power to regulate religion, just like the Religious Freedom Restoration act does for the federal government. If it actually worked the way you keep claiming then we wouldn't be having this discussion because federal law would allow anyone to discriminate against race, religion, or anything else, based solely on a claim of religious beliefs.

I know that's what the wackos are saying...

but really... it's using G-d as a justification for violating the equal rights of others.

shameful

You do not have an equal right to my services.

End of discussion.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In other words, you suck at running a business. No wonder you are a progressive, you think the government should protect you from your own stupidity, and that successful people are making it harder for you to get rich because they cheat by being good at what they do.

I think he actually runs a business and gets it...

unlike you

I think he is a lying sack of shit.

I have run a business, and know plenty of people that have run one. None of them ever called themselves a whore.

 

[sfcalifornia]

You know how I can tell I am talking to a religious fuckwad?

They start talking about history taking sides in events.

You know how we can can spot a dumbfuck in general? When they post ignorant shit which has no relevance in today's society.

Yeah dumbfuck, we're talking about you, Quantum Fartbag.

Why don't you pull your head out of you ass, look around you and take note of the fact that homosexuals are NOT GOING AWAY, in fact, they are an integral and accepted part of society whether ignorant dipshits like you (who lives in San Feancisco btw... And why is that???) decides to live in the "wrong side of history".

Go ahead: prove to us all how the majority of Americans now disapprove of homosexuals.

In the meantime, BOTH Arizona senators have urged Brewer not to sign the bill as well as countless businesses (including the Super Bowl Host Committee).

LOL what an idiot you are.

I might be a dumbfuck, but I have never been offended by a post in the internet. That makes me smarter than you.

Look everyone... He admits it.

You read it here first!

 

[WorldWatcher]

Sure it does.

Public Accommodation laws prohibit refusing service based on race. A florist who doesn't want to service an interracial marriage can do so and claim an exemption to the States Pubic Accommodation law under this law for their religious beliefs. Because of the exemption to Public Accommodations laws this statute would provide (if not vetoed) no action could be taken.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062p.pdf

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Hate to prove you wrong again (NOT) but florists are not public accommodations under Arizona law.

https://www.azag.gov/discrimination/public-accommodation-discrimination

Wrong: You <----

Yep, he's wrong - again.

He links to the Arizona AG's office short list for the web. Let's take a look at the actual definition in the Arizona Revised Statutes:

"2. "Places of public accommodation" means all public places of entertainment, amusement or recreation, all public places where food or beverages are sold for consumption on the premises, all public places which are conducted for the lodging of transients or for the benefit, use or accommodation of those seeking health or recreation and all establishments which cater or offer their services, facilities or goods to or solicit patronage from the members of the general public. Any dwelling as defined in section 41-1491, or any private club, or any place which is in its nature distinctly private is not a place of public accommodation. "

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I guess he's trying to say that a Florist is a business that doesn't offer any goods, facilities or services to members of the general public.



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[Quantum Windbag]

Take your own advise and vote with your feet. My side is winning here just fine so there's no reason for me to leave. You, on the other hand, should start saving boxes.

The side of tyranny always wins, at the beginning. Eventually, everyone realizes how stupid it is, and freedom claims the final victory, just like it did when your side passed the Jim Crow laws.

Oh please, you idiot, what do you think, one day ALL laws providing gays equal protection against bigots like you will all of a sudden be rescinded? Have you not noticed gays are being granted equal protections in all states, one by one... states like Utah and Virginia and Oklahoma? How naive and utterly blind to what's happening in this country can you be?

And if you think the country will one day swing back to the draconian, medieval era which you seemingly so greatly desire, then you have your head up your ass further than we all originally thought.

I am not a bigot, idiot, I am on the side of freedom.

I am also honest enough to know that no sane person would ever go to a person they believes hates them and force them to work for them. The only people that would make this an issue are bigots with an agenda.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just keep lying to yourself, that''s why you lose. I might be Liberal but I'm also a Capitalist. That's the name of the game in this nation, and everyone plays.

You're a bullshitter.

You think you lend credibility to your leftist ideas by pretending to be a business owner.

You simply don't grasp that the idiocy you posts quickly reveals you to be a fraud.

You fail to accept the concept that money is money.

I'd invest in PaintMyHouse's business long before I'd consider yours.

You seem to think morality pays the rent.

I am sure he would be glad to take your money because he thinks you are an idiot.

On the other hand, all my customers are real people who I chose to work with.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hate to prove you wrong again (NOT) but florists are not public accommodations under Arizona law.

https://www.azag.gov/discrimination/public-accommodation-discrimination

Wrong: You <----

Yep, he's wrong - again.

He links to the Arizona AG's office short list for the web. Let's take a look at the actual definition in the Arizona Revised Statutes:

"2. "Places of public accommodation" means all public places of entertainment, amusement or recreation, all public places where food or beverages are sold for consumption on the premises, all public places which are conducted for the lodging of transients or for the benefit, use or accommodation of those seeking health or recreation and all establishments which cater or offer their services, facilities or goods to or solicit patronage from the members of the general public. Any dwelling as defined in section 41-1491, or any private club, or any place which is in its nature distinctly private is not a place of public accommodation. "

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I guess he's trying to say that a Florist is a business that doesn't offer any goods, facilities or services to members of the general public.



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Even if you are right, the bill does not permit a florist to discriminate on the basis of race, period.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Private" business is somehow exempt from public accommodation?

Really??

You just hit the nail on the head, which is why some business are only open by appointment.

A private interaction is one thing.

That is not so with the business in the law.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The bill does not allow anyone to discriminate based on race, or even sexual preference, it simply restricts the state's power to regulate religion, just like the Religious Freedom Restoration act does for the federal government. If it actually worked the way you keep claiming then we wouldn't be having this discussion because federal law would allow anyone to discriminate against race, religion, or anything else, based solely on a claim of religious beliefs.

I know that's what the wackos are saying...

but really... it's using G-d as a justification for violating the equal rights of others.

shameful

You do not have an equal right to my services.

End of discussion.

If you offer those services to the public, yes, I do.

End of discussion.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong: You <----

Yep, he's wrong - again.

He links to the Arizona AG's office short list for the web. Let's take a look at the actual definition in the Arizona Revised Statutes:

"2. "Places of public accommodation" means all public places of entertainment, amusement or recreation, all public places where food or beverages are sold for consumption on the premises, all public places which are conducted for the lodging of transients or for the benefit, use or accommodation of those seeking health or recreation and all establishments which cater or offer their services, facilities or goods to or solicit patronage from the members of the general public. Any dwelling as defined in section 41-1491, or any private club, or any place which is in its nature distinctly private is not a place of public accommodation. "

Format Document​

I guess he's trying to say that a Florist is a business that doesn't offer any goods, facilities or services to members of the general public.



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Even if you are right, the bill does not permit a florist to discriminate on the basis of race, period.

"Even if" I'm right about what a Public Accommodation is? Dude, I posted the freaking law which shows you were wrong.



Sure it does, as long as you project that it is a sincerely held religious belief.

No where in SB1062 does it limit the application of "sincerely held religious beliefs" to just those applicable to homosexuals. If you think this law limits it to "the gheys", point out where in the law that occurs.

Don't want to do an interracial marriage - just claim sincerely held religious belief against it.

Don't want to do an interfaith marriage - just claim a sincerely held religious belief against it.


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[Katzndogz]

I know that's what the wackos are saying...

but really... it's using G-d as a justification for violating the equal rights of others.

shameful

You do not have an equal right to my services.

End of discussion.

If you offer those services to the public, yes, I do.

End of discussion.

You are limited ONLY to those services offered to the public. As providers become more and more sophisticated in avoidance techniques, the public offers will become more and more limited.

 

[sfcalifornia]

You're a bullshitter.

You think you lend credibility to your leftist ideas by pretending to be a business owner.

You simply don't grasp that the idiocy you posts quickly reveals you to be a fraud.

You fail to accept the concept that money is money.

I'd invest in PaintMyHouse's business long before I'd consider yours.

You seem to think morality pays the rent.

I am sure he would be glad to take your money because he thinks you are an idiot.

On the other hand, all my customers are real people who I chose to work with.

Really? In the city of San Francisco? One of the gayest cities on earth?

How is it you don't implode on a daily basis?