Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[Quantum Windbag]

Easy answer. How you live your faith is mostly a private matter. How you run your business is mostly a public one, when you serve the public that is. You don't have to give up anything more than you have to to work for someone else. If the boss says stop preaching, it's stop and compromise or hit the road. We can only allow for so much faith when the goal is business.

If you work in my Agnostic Bookstore and I tell you to take the cross off, you can do it or you can vote with your feet. I'm not a church, I'm a business.

Interesting how you seem to equate "running a business" with "being a civil servant". Somewhere along the way, we've gone from making money selling goods and services to people to being obligated to provide goods and services to everyone.

By the way, I thought the whole point of owning your own business was freedom from working for someone else and having to do things their way. Seems like you would have business ownership be a bigger shackle than being an employee is.

The law applies equally.

I can prove it doesn't. If you weren't a bigot you wouldn't need me to show you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Chambers of Commerce are FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS ONLY.
And all of them everywhere oppose these laws.

Chambers of commerce are groups that use rent seeking to control businesses.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Easy answer. How you live your faith is mostly a private matter. How you run your business is mostly a public one, when you serve the public that is. You don't have to give up anything more than you have to to work for someone else. If the boss says stop preaching, it's stop and compromise or hit the road. We can only allow for so much faith when the goal is business.

If you work in my Agnostic Bookstore and I tell you to take the cross off, you can do it or you can vote with your feet. I'm not a church, I'm a business.

Interesting how you seem to equate "running a business" with "being a civil servant". Somewhere along the way, we've gone from making money selling goods and services to people to being obligated to provide goods and services to everyone.

By the way, I thought the whole point of owning your own business was freedom from working for someone else and having to do things their way. Seems like you would have business ownership be a bigger shackle than being an employee is.

What you think is incorrect. Try running a business and you'll find out there is work, in the good times, but not freedom. I do work for people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire in other circumstances. It's just business.

In other words, you suck at running a business. No wonder you are a progressive, you think the government should protect you from your own stupidity, and that successful people are making it harder for you to get rich because they cheat by being good at what they do.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So a business owner in Arizona could put up a sign " WHITES ONLY" ? And claim it's a religious thing?

Yes.


Kind of silly but yes they can put up that sign and claim it's a religious thing.


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If they did they would run afoul of the public accommodation laws in Arizona that prohibit that type of discrimination.

Then again, I never thought you were an honest poster.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Interesting how you seem to equate "running a business" with "being a civil servant". Somewhere along the way, we've gone from making money selling goods and services to people to being obligated to provide goods and services to everyone.

By the way, I thought the whole point of owning your own business was freedom from working for someone else and having to do things their way. Seems like you would have business ownership be a bigger shackle than being an employee is.

What you think is incorrect. Try running a business and you'll find out there is work, in the good times, but not freedom. I do work for people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire in other circumstances. It's just business.

In other words, you suck at running a business. No wonder you are a progressive, you think the government should protect you from your own stupidity, and that successful people are making it harder for you to get rich because they cheat by being good at what they do.

Business is fine. My customers are dumb, like you, which is why they need me. About one in ten of them I would consider for a friend. The rest pay their bills so I take care of them. It's business, that's all.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Tell you what. When someone can produce an historical, religious text that says, 'Thou shalt not bake cakes for the gays' then I'll join in support of this law...

A lot of folks don't need that, to trigger faith-based objections. All they require is 'hate the sin, love the sinner' to conjure-up the legitimate position that by associating with or servicing such folk, they are aiding and abetting sin, and therefore contributing to the moral or spiritual downfall or continued wrongdoing of those which fate has obliged them to love from a distance, until they mend their ways...

"...Until then, I'll stick with 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'..."

Nobody here is casting stones or hanging Gays - literally or figuratively - merely standing their ground for their right not to associate with nor service Sinners, and thereby aid and abet their Sinful Ways.

"...and call this for what it is: Haters trying to use religion to justify their hate."

Which does grave disservice to the huge numbers of people who do not wish to provide services to Gays, but who do so from the perspective of not wanting to be associated with or to aid and abet Sinfulness or Pervsity, rather than from any hateful feelings or motivation.

All they require is 'hate the sin, love the sinner' to conjure-up the legitimate position that by associating with or servicing such folk, they are aiding and abetting sin,

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

So this is one lonely group, huh?

merely standing their ground for their right not to associate with nor service Sinners,

See above

Which does grave disservice to the huge numbers of people who do not wish to provide services to Gays

Good. They deserve the "disservice" for bastardizing my faith into something that will make them feel better about their hate.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Business is fine. My customers are dumb, like you, which is why they need me. About one in ten of them I would consider for a friend. The rest pay their bills so I take care of them. It's business, that's all.

So, you're a gay hooker then?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Business is fine. My customers are dumb, like you, which is why they need me. About one in ten of them I would consider for a friend. The rest pay their bills so I take care of them. It's business, that's all.

So, you're a gay hooker then?

The Hooker part you got right, in any rational basis. The phone rings and I go. That's what pays the bills. Call me a Call Girl for people too stupid or lazy to deal with what they buy. They'd rather pay me and that works out just fine,

 

[Katzndogz]

Fortunately the proposed law does not disturb public accommodation laws.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Chambers of Commerce are FOR PRIVATE BUSINESS ONLY.
And all of them everywhere oppose these laws.

Chambers of commerce are groups that use rent seeking to control businesses.

Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry want the AZ law vetoed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Hooker part you got right, in any rational basis. The phone rings and I go.

Yeah, bullshit.

Like most of the leftists here, you're a fraud - which your posts reveal.

If you were a real painting contractor, you would get a call, and check your schedule. IF resources were availible, you'd dispatch an estimator or go yourself to estimate the job. IF you saw a job that you didn't like, you'd walk away. I had a painting contractor walk away from my house because he didn't like my dog - kept calling her a Coyote (She's a Dingo, dammit.)

But you don't know any of this, because you're just a manual laborer. You think you can bullshit people here and no one will catch on.

You think wrong.

That's what pays the bills. Call me a Call Girl for people too stupid or lazy to deal with what they buy. They'd rather pay me and that works out just fine,

I'll call you a blowhard. You don't own anything - and we ALL know it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Hooker part you got right, in any rational basis. The phone rings and I go.

Yeah, bullshit.

Like most of the leftists here, you're a fraud - which your posts reveal.

If you were a real painting contractor, you would get a call, and check your schedule. IF resources were availible, you'd dispatch an estimator or go yourself to estimate the job. IF you saw a job that you didn't like, you'd walk away. I had a painting contractor walk away from my house because he didn't like my dog - kept calling her a Coyote (She's a Dingo, dammit.)

But you don't know any of this, because you're just a manual laborer. You think you can bullshit people here and no one will catch on.

You think wrong.

That's what pays the bills. Call me a Call Girl for people too stupid or lazy to deal with what they buy. They'd rather pay me and that works out just fine,

I'll call you a blowhard. You don't own anything - and we ALL know it.

Just keep lying to yourself, that''s why you lose. I might be Liberal but I'm also a Capitalist. That's the name of the game in this nation, and everyone plays.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Fortunately the proposed law does not disturb public accommodation laws.

Sure it does.

Public Accommodation laws prohibit refusing service based on race. A florist who doesn't want to service an interracial marriage can do so and claim an exemption to the States Pubic Accommodation law under this law for their religious beliefs. Because of the exemption to Public Accommodations laws this statute would provide (if not vetoed) no action could be taken.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062p.pdf

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[Quantum Windbag]

Accommodating gay Americans – whether compelled to do so by law or not – does not constitute one to “give up his religious belief,” it’s a manifestation of ignorance and hate, not religious doctrine or dogma.

And here we have you yet again arrogating to yourself the task of deciding what someone else's beliefs "really" are, and whether or not they're good enough to be valid.

In the marketplace, your values are our values. At home, and in church, knock yourself out but even there we, the people, have an interest so don't get stupid and start beating the kids or drinking the blood of infants.

Tell you what, hire me to paint your house on those terms, I dare you.



This is why intelligent people don't try to force people to do business with them in the name of equality.

 

[OriginalShroom]

If a business can refuse to service me because I am armed because it is a "Private business", why shouldn't they be able to refuse to service someone because they are gay?

It's the same "Private Business" with the right to refuse to service.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Conservatives...always, always on the wrong side of history.

If history had sides the Nazis would have won WWII.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's simple. Do churches have to abide by public accommodation laws.

No.

There, see? So easy even a caveman can get it.

Neither do I.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If a business can refuse to service me because I am armed because it is a "Private business", why shouldn't they be able to refuse to service someone because they are gay?

It's the same "Private Business" with the right to refuse to service.

You can leave your gun in the car. They can also require you to wear a shirt and shoes. What they can't require is that you leave your gay in the car.

 

[jillian]

my sympathies to the homophobic wingers....

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...brewer-expected-to-veto-az-gay-hate-bill.html

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Private" business is somehow exempt from public accommodation?

Really??