Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[Gadawg73]

Putting all of the legality aside for a moment, let me ask you an honest question:

Should a man give up his religious beliefs to a) run a business and b) adhere to public accommodation laws?

Accommodating gay Americans – whether compelled to do so by law or not – does not constitute one to “give up his religious belief,” it’s a manifestation of ignorance and hate, not religious doctrine or dogma.

What a bunch of garbage. If his faith tells him that homosexuality is wrong, and you force him to serve homosexuals against his will; guess what you just did? Forced him to rescind his beliefs to accommodate a group of people who's lifestyle he sees as sinful. The ignorance here is you thinking this works only one way.

So an EMT can refuse to treat a gay person at an accident scene because of their religious beliefs.
We are a nation of LAWS, not of men and their various and changing like the wind religious beliefs.

 

[Gadawg73]

Religious beliefs supported slavery, Jim Crow and segregation.

 

[Antares]

Religious beliefs supported slavery, Jim Crow and segregation.

The road to freedom is one of the great themes of American history. The story of the Underground Railroad exemplifies the profound power of that journey. Following the lead of its famed anti-slavery preacher Henry Ward Beecher, Plymouth Church played a fundamental part in New York City's underground activity.

Plymouth Church :: About Our Church -> Our History - Underground Railroad

You'll need to improve, so far you aren't up to this.

 

[Gadawg73]

Religious beliefs supported slavery, Jim Crow and segregation.

The road to freedom is one of the great themes of American history. The story of the Underground Railroad exemplifies the profound power of that journey. Following the lead of its famed anti-slavery preacher Henry Ward Beecher, Plymouth Church played a fundamental part in New York City's underground activity.

Plymouth Church :: About Our Church -> Our History - Underground Railroad

You'll need to improve, so far you aren't up to this.

My family, the Walkers and Terhunes of Clintondale NY were Quakers and they led hundreds of southern slaves to Canada through the Underground RR. Google Clintondale NY Friends Meeting and see their names. I am a direct descendant of them as my mother was a Walker and her mother was a Terhune.
You need to catch up as life is like a dog sled team.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

 

[Antares]

Religious beliefs supported slavery, Jim Crow and segregation.

The road to freedom is one of the great themes of American history. The story of the Underground Railroad exemplifies the profound power of that journey. Following the lead of its famed anti-slavery preacher Henry Ward Beecher, Plymouth Church played a fundamental part in New York City's underground activity.

Plymouth Church :: About Our Church -> Our History - Underground Railroad

You'll need to improve, so far you aren't up to this.

My family, the Walkers and Terhunes of Clintondale NY were Quakers and they led hundreds of southern slaves to Canada through the Underground RR. Google Clintondale NY Friends Meeting and see their names. I am a direct descendant of them as my mother was a Walker and her mother was a Terhune.
You need to catch up as life is like a dog sled team.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

You have spectacularly underachieved.....if any of what you say were true you would have never posted what you did prior....and if you did your relatives would have drummed you out of your family.

So far I AM the lead dog...but I am also just some schmuck from Omaha.....but I am better than you

 

[Immanuel]

I can't wait until it goes to court

Why? So a Court can tell a private business HOW it must conduct itself? A private business can REFUSE SERVICE to anyone. Get it?

Actually you're the one who doesn't get it. That's not what the law says, and it hasn't for decades. We tell private businesses what to do here just like we tell private citizens what to do here. It's not a Freedom Free-For-All here, nor was it ever meant to be, nor is a business a church. And just because you call religion doesn't mean you can start burning witches and dropping virgins into volcanoes.

Who in their right mind would want to drop virgins into volcanoes?

Now burning witches... well, maybe. j/k!!!!!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Don't CARE. Since when did GAY=Black?

Since we decided they also had rights.

And what rights have they NOT that everyone else has? Hmm? Can't answer that one, can you?

Sure I can. The right to marry the competent adult they love. We call it, Equality.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why? So a Court can tell a private business HOW it must conduct itself? A private business can REFUSE SERVICE to anyone. Get it?

Actually you're the one who doesn't get it. That's not what the law says, and it hasn't for decades. We tell private businesses what to do here just like we tell private citizens what to do here. It's not a Freedom Free-For-All here, nor was it ever meant to be, nor is a business a church. And just because you call religion doesn't mean you can start burning witches and dropping virgins into volcanoes.

Who in their right mind would want to drop virgins into volcanoes?

Now burning witches... well, maybe. j/k!!!!!

They had plenty of spare virgins in those days. TV hadn't been invented yet.

 

[Gadawg73]

The road to freedom is one of the great themes of American history. The story of the Underground Railroad exemplifies the profound power of that journey. Following the lead of its famed anti-slavery preacher Henry Ward Beecher, Plymouth Church played a fundamental part in New York City's underground activity.

Plymouth Church :: About Our Church -> Our History - Underground Railroad

You'll need to improve, so far you aren't up to this.

My family, the Walkers and Terhunes of Clintondale NY were Quakers and they led hundreds of southern slaves to Canada through the Underground RR. Google Clintondale NY Friends Meeting and see their names. I am a direct descendant of them as my mother was a Walker and her mother was a Terhune.
You need to catch up as life is like a dog sled team.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

You have spectacularly underachieved.....if any of what you say were true you would have never posted what you did prior....and if you did your relatives would have drummed you out of your family.

So far I AM the lead dog...but I am also just some schmuck from Omaha.....but I am better than you

I admire your psychic guesses even though you are far off.
But I will give you another shot before you put up your crystal ball.
I will be at Calder track in a few weeks. How do you like Go Bananas' chances?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Putting all of the legality aside for a moment, let me ask you an honest question:

Should a man give up his religious beliefs to a) run a business and b) adhere to public accommodation laws?

Public accommodation should not be infringed on by anyone's religious belief. The former is public, the latter is private.

Churches are public.

No, they are Private, and protected, for the most part.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Putting all of the legality aside for a moment, let me ask you an honest question:

Should a man give up his religious beliefs to a) run a business and b) adhere to public accommodation laws?

Easy answer. How you live your faith is mostly a private matter. How you run your business is mostly a public one, when you serve the public that is. You don't have to give up anything more than you have to to work for someone else. If the boss says stop preaching, it's stop and compromise or hit the road. We can only allow for so much faith when the goal is business.

If you work in my Agnostic Bookstore and I tell you to take the cross off, you can do it or you can vote with your feet. I'm not a church, I'm a business.

Do you expect me to believe you are that stupid?

There's nothing stupid about it. That's how it works.

 

[Immanuel]

Why? So a Court can tell a private business HOW it must conduct itself? A private business can REFUSE SERVICE to anyone. Get it?

A little clarification here, yes any business can refuse service to any person. If they don't offer the product, they have a scheduling conflict, if the customer is rude and disruptive, etc...

However in Arizona it's the legislature - not the court - under it's 10th Amendment powers to regulate business within the State that says a business of Public Accommodation CANNOT refuse business based on Race, Color, National Origin/Ancestry, Sex, Religion/Creed, or Physical/Mental disability.

If a black man walks into a kosher deli and orders a ham sandwich - the black man can be refused because the deli does not serve ham.

On the other hand if the deli does service ham (they are non-kosher) and refuses to serve the black person because they are black - that violates the State law.

Get it?


(BTW - Public Accommodation laws have been upheld by the court, multple states and at the Federal level going back to Heartland of Atlanta Motel v. United States.


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Putting all of the legality aside for a moment, let me ask you an honest question:

Should a man give up his religious beliefs to a) run a business and b) adhere to public accommodation laws?

If his religious beliefs are contrary to the law of the land that he chooses to live in and open his business in, then he should consider another line of work. If he cannot or will not obey the law of the land then he had better expect to suffer the consequences.

This is a relatively "free country". No one is forcing him to live here. If he can't obey the laws then he is free to leave. It is his choice.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Agenda, and it is forced acceptance.

Cry me a river. That's what they said about letting the drakies into the white schools. You'll survive.

 

[Antares]

My family, the Walkers and Terhunes of Clintondale NY were Quakers and they led hundreds of southern slaves to Canada through the Underground RR. Google Clintondale NY Friends Meeting and see their names. I am a direct descendant of them as my mother was a Walker and her mother was a Terhune.
You need to catch up as life is like a dog sled team.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

You have spectacularly underachieved.....if any of what you say were true you would have never posted what you did prior....and if you did your relatives would have drummed you out of your family.

So far I AM the lead dog...but I am also just some schmuck from Omaha.....but I am better than you

I admire your psychic guesses even though you are far off.
But I will give you another shot before you put up your crystal ball.
I will be at Calder track in a few weeks. How do you like Go Bananas' chances?

Well see there it is....

You gamble, I don't....you make shit up as you go and so far you pretty much suck at it.

You don't get to both denigrate AND take credit for Religions role in things.

But hey....feel free to keep pretending your nose isn't in my ass.

 

[Moonglow]

Actually you're the one who doesn't get it. That's not what the law says, and it hasn't for decades. We tell private businesses what to do here just like we tell private citizens what to do here. It's not a Freedom Free-For-All here, nor was it ever meant to be, nor is a business a church. And just because you call religion doesn't mean you can start burning witches and dropping virgins into volcanoes.

Who in their right mind would want to drop virgins into volcanoes?

Now burning witches... well, maybe. j/k!!!!!

They had plenty of spare virgins in those days. TV hadn't been invented yet.

Virgins are having sex with TV's?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Public accommodation should not be infringed on by anyone's religious belief. The former is public, the latter is private.

Churches are public.

No, they are Private, and protected, for the most part.

I would love for churches to be public non-exempt entities if they are going to engage in politics. But they are not and they won't.

 

[Antares]

Churches are public.

No, they are Private, and protected, for the most part.

I would love for churches to be public non-exempt entities if they are going to engage in politics. But they are not and they won't.

So uh Jake...what makes you a "good Christian man"?

Now somewhere earlier you said you had only loved and only had sex with two men in your life...I applaud you for that...at least you aren't some crazed man whore.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

If the law passes and stays, I will need to open a business to provide for the discriminated.

Isn't that the point of freedom? You open a business based on your beliefs and you should beat out the other if the general public agrees. Capitalism. Provide away buddy. Look out on the other end though if you make too much your buddies will call you a capitalist raping people for nothing but profit so make sure you don't make anything in your venture.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Who in their right mind would want to drop virgins into volcanoes?

Now burning witches... well, maybe. j/k!!!!!

They had plenty of spare virgins in those days. TV hadn't been invented yet.

Virgins are having sex with TV's?

Not yet, but I could sell tickets to that. The Real Virgins of Kansas City. Like it.

 

[Gadawg73]

You have spectacularly underachieved.....if any of what you say were true you would have never posted what you did prior....and if you did your relatives would have drummed you out of your family.

So far I AM the lead dog...but I am also just some schmuck from Omaha.....but I am better than you

I admire your psychic guesses even though you are far off.
But I will give you another shot before you put up your crystal ball.
I will be at Calder track in a few weeks. How do you like Go Bananas' chances?

Well see there it is....

You gamble, I don't....you make shit up as you go and so far you pretty much suck at it.

You don't get to both denigrate AND take credit for Religions role in things.

But hey....feel free to keep pretending your nose isn't in my ass.

Have not made anything up.
Been beat up, shot at and left for dead. Crossed the lines many a times and played 4 quarters against the best.
I get to do whatever I want, take credit for what I want to.
And there is nothing you can do about it but whine like a milk weak pup.

But nothing compares to being able to pick on defenseless people like you.