Arizona GOP censures top state Republicans Cindy McCain, Flake & Doug Ducey..Jeff Flake says he still hates Trump so "I'm just fine being on the outs"

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You're right that the Republican party has a deficit of solid Ideology. That is mostly due to the presence of RINOs, Moderates, Centrists, and other useless morons who have joined the party in the last half century. The Conservative (Right-wing) portion of the party most certainly DOES have an Ideology, but it is largely drowned out by the undesirables mentioned in the previous sentence. Honestly, the economy is about number 1,684 on my list of concerns when it comes to political ideology.
After subtracting all of the RINOS, Moderates, Centrists, and other "useless morons," all that remains is a weird, sadistic drive to dominate society by thugs who are themselves unqualified to lead and who do not want to accept the fact that they live in a society with a diverse bunch of millions of other people who do not accept fascism and roving thugs. The current republicans do not have a single spokesperson who can actually explain, in detail, just what the policies of the current republican party are without using buzzwords and dogwhistles.
 

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After subtracting all of the RINOS, Moderates, Centrists, and other "useless morons," all that remains is a weird, sadistic drive to dominate society by thugs who are themselves unqualified to lead and who do not want to accept the fact that they live in a society with a diverse bunch of millions of other people who do not accept fascism and roving thugs. The current republicans do not have a single spokesperson who can actually explain, in detail, just what the policies of the current republican party are without using buzzwords and dogwhistles.
No. What's left is a drive to return Society to it's proper foundation - Right and Wrong. Two solid, moral concepts which haven't changed since the dawn of mankind. The fact that we Conservatives are willing to use force to bring these ideals to supremacy in our families, communities, and eventually hopefully our nation is simply the proof that these are things we hold dear and believe in very fervently. That's why we need to get rid of the RINOs and the other undesirables.

We don't WANT to live in a society that has diverse viewpoints. We see no point in or use for that diversity. In fact, we see it as the main force working directly against the things that we hold most dear in life.

The Republican party at this point is nothing more than a cracked egg shell, vainly trying to hold itself together. Soon it will break apart and the yoke will be separated from the rest of the egg and discarded. At that point the true Right will stand alone, to either succeed or fail on our own. Either way... success or death will be better than living in the Socialist shithole that this nation had become.
 

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It's been obvious for years that the republican party has wanted to commit suicide. It booted out the moderates, leaving a very narrow and bigoted base, never made any attempt to broader that base, and did everything it could to alienate voters, demographic group by demographic group. As a member of at least three identifiable demographic groups, I have to say that the republican party's approach to each of the three has been condescending, cheesy, and cheap. It's a party whose members have no dignity and values and don't think that the rest of us do. It's downright insulting.
It is better to die with a clean Soul than to live with a rotten Soul. The same is true for political parties as it is for individuals.

You're right thst Republicans, and especially Conservatives have a very different ideology and values system than you folks do. We actually believe in things. There is no compromise because compromise is a sign of weakness and lack of adherence to ideology. It’s thst simple.
You aren't a conservative. You are a Party of the Rumper who is hijacking a name. The Gig is up,
 

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You aren't a conservative. You are a Party of the Rumper who is hijacking a name. The Gig is up,
I have no use for Donald Trump. Never have and likely never will. He was nothing more than a pawn in the movement to push the Republican Party to the Right and allow a party of proper Ultra- Conservative Ultra-Traditional Authoritarians to be formed in this country.
 

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You're right that the Republican party has a deficit of solid Ideology. That is mostly due to the presence of RINOs, Moderates, Centrists, and other useless morons who have joined the party in the last half century. The Conservative (Right-wing) portion of the party most certainly DOES have an Ideology, but it is largely drowned out by the undesirables mentioned in the previous sentence. Honestly, the economy is about number 1,684 on my list of concerns when it comes to political ideology.
After subtracting all of the RINOS, Moderates, Centrists, and other "useless morons," all that remains is a weird, sadistic drive to dominate society by thugs who are themselves unqualified to lead and who do not want to accept the fact that they live in a society with a diverse bunch of millions of other people who do not accept fascism and roving thugs. The current republicans do not have a single spokesperson who can actually explain, in detail, just what the policies of the current republican party are without using buzzwords and dogwhistles.
I made a point about Planks. The Dems had one and it explained what they intended to do. The Reps used to have planks that explained what they intended to do. Overall, both parties try and follow their plank. But in the last two elections, the Reps have had no Plank. The Plank is "Whatever Rump Says". Oh, the Reps had a Plank for 2016 but since it was largely ignored by Rump starting in 2017, they didn't even bother to write one for 2020. The Republican 2020 Plank is "Whatever He says or wants".

Now, I don't think the parties have to follow the planks to the letter. The Planks are things they want to accomplish. Reality sometimes changes things. But a Party that can't even figure out how to write a Plank needs to get the hell out of the way.
 

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You aren't a conservative. You are a Party of the Rumper who is hijacking a name. The Gig is up,
I have no use for Donald Trump. Never have and likely never will. He was nothing more than a pawn in the movement to push the Republican Party to the Right and allow a party of proper Ultra- Conservative Ultra-Traditional Authoritarians to be formed in this country.
Well, at least you are starting to take that walk of shame. I took it early on. I was expected to drink the Orange Koolaid when all I drink is Tropical Punch Koolaid and Cherry.
 

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Well, at least you are starting to take that walk of shame. I took it early on. I was expected to drink the Orange Koolaid when all I drink is Tropical Punch Koolaid and Cherry.
As I said, I never had a use for Trump. He was simply a means to an end. Nothing more. He's been a Northeast Liberal his entire life. He donated to Democrat campaigns and had his picture taken with Democrat candidates and elected officials. It's not like I ever thought he'd be a Conservative. He was just a means to start to truly break apart the Republican party into its necessary pieces
 

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After subtracting all of the RINOS, Moderates, Centrists, and other "useless morons," all that remains is a weird, sadistic drive to dominate society by thugs who are themselves unqualified to lead and who do not want to accept the fact that they live in a society with a diverse bunch of millions of other people who do not accept fascism and roving thugs. The current republicans do not have a single spokesperson who can actually explain, in detail, just what the policies of the current republican party are without using buzzwords and dogwhistles.
No. What's left is a drive to return Society to it's proper foundation - Right and Wrong. Two solid, moral concepts which haven't changed since the dawn of mankind. The fact that we Conservatives are willing to use force to bring these ideals to supremacy in our families, communities, and eventually hopefully our nation is simply the proof that these are things we hold dear and believe in very fervently. That's why we need to get rid of the RINOs and the other undesirables.

We don't WANT to live in a society that has diverse viewpoints. We see no point in or use for that diversity. In fact, we see it as the main force working directly against the things that we hold most dear in life.

The Republican party at this point is nothing more than a cracked egg shell, vainly trying to hold itself together. Soon it will break apart and the yoke will be separated from the rest of the egg and discarded. At that point the true Right will stand alone, to either succeed or fail on our own. Either way... success or death will be better than living in the Socialist shithole that this nation had become.
You are not the universal arbiter of what is "right" or "wrong." We all "hold dear" the principles right and wrong, but all of us determine for ourselves what they mean and how they should be interpreted. You MAY NOT USE FORCE TO IMPOSE YOUR VIEWPOINT ON OTHERS. You may speak as you wish, and the rest of us may speak as we wish, but you have no right to force your opinions on anyone else. Just whom do you regard as your leaders?
 

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I love it - So the Arizona GOP censured Trump supporter and voter Doug Ducey for following Arizona law instead of turning over the election to King Trump? They are officially the Autocrat Party as opposed to the party favoring a constitutional democracy. The national GOP should censure them!
The Republican Party is shrinking itself so quickly that you'll soon be able to drown it in a bathtub.
 

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I made a point about Planks. The Dems had one and it explained what they intended to do. The Reps used to have planks that explained what they intended to do. Overall, both parties try and follow their plank. But in the last two elections, the Reps have had no Plank. The Plank is "Whatever Rump Says". Oh, the Reps had a Plank for 2016 but since it was largely ignored by Rump starting in 2017, they didn't even bother to write one for 2020. The Republican 2020 Plank is "Whatever He says or wants".

Now, I don't think the parties have to follow the planks to the letter. The Planks are things they want to accomplish. Reality sometimes changes things. But a Party that can't even figure out how to write a Plank needs to get the hell out of the way.
What you miss is that a truly Conservative Republican party is not a part of "doing things". It's a part of "Saying NO to things" almost exclusively. With that in mind, the idea of Party Planks is really something that a pure Republican party would never be part of.

Trump did actually begin to make attempts at the things he had promised. Unfortunately, without singular power, and with a legislature more interested in trying to eradicate him than work with him, most of it went by the wayside pretty quickly.
 

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Well, at least you are starting to take that walk of shame. I took it early on. I was expected to drink the Orange Koolaid when all I drink is Tropical Punch Koolaid and Cherry.
As I said, I never had a use for Trump. He was simply a means to an end. Nothing more. He's been a Northeast Liberal his entire life. He donated to Democrat campaigns and had his picture taken with Democrat candidates and elected officials. It's not like I ever thought he'd be a Conservative. He was just a means to start to truly break apart the Republican party into its necessary pieces
Actually, Rump was NEVER a Liberal either. He was raised by one of the founding fathers of the John birch Society. When you research their history his actions will start making some sort of obscene sense.
 

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You are not the universal arbiter of what is "right" or "wrong." We all "hold dear" the principles right and wrong, but all of us determine for ourselves what they mean and how they should be interpreted. You MAY NOT USE FORCE TO IMPOSE YOUR VIEWPOINT ON OTHERS. You may speak as you wish, and the rest of us may speak as we wish, but you have no right to force your opinions on anyone else. Just whom do you regard as your leaders?
You’re right, I don’t get to decide Right and Wrong. That was worked out Rob’s before even Hammurabi picked up his chisel and set to work on his pillar.

I use force to impose my will on others quite regularly, just as it was used on me in my youth.

We have no leaders currently and haven’t in many years. Andrew Jackson was probably the last US politician who I would say was a leader of our cause.
 

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