Arguing with libs, Uuuggggggg!

[Toronado3800]

Murder is never an opinion matter.

And that's one of the basic difference between libs and conservatives. Liberals think that right and wrong is relative, and extend that to the nth degree.

They also think might makes right. If they're in power, things like integrity, honor, right, wrong, character...none of those things matter.

I agree with your right to that opinion and will never support the government forcing you to have an abortion.

Allie, in the United States folks have to Democratic Party which washes its hands of the abortion issue and is essentially pro-choice, or the Republican Party which picks the moral high ground with a more liberal definition of murder yet finds some liberal interpretation of the definition to support capital punishment. Great choices especially given the Republicans lack of activity on abortion after a recent run of 20 of 28 years in the oval office.

Personally I'm pro-death penalty so I'm not "picking on" Republicans for that.

 

[Care4all]

Murder is never an opinion matter.

And that's one of the basic difference between libs and conservatives. Liberals think that right and wrong is relative, and extend that to the nth degree.

They also think might makes right. If they're in power, things like integrity, honor, right, wrong, character...none of those things matter.

You supported invading a nation on the basis of lies. An act that resulted in the deaths of 4500 of our own, and hundreds of thousands in Iraq.

Your hypocrisy is more than evident.

you mean the way Biden, emanuel and half of your ossiah's staff did?

fyi
You got Biden, but Emanuel was not a congressman yet in 2002 so he DID NOT vote on the Resolution at all, AND the Majority of the Democratic congressmen of the House of Representatives voted DOWN the Iraq resolution, and the House represents the People, whereas the Senators Represent the State -gvts.

 

[California Girl]

Murder is never an opinion matter.

And that's one of the basic difference between libs and conservatives. Liberals think that right and wrong is relative, and extend that to the nth degree.

They also think might makes right. If they're in power, things like integrity, honor, right, wrong, character...none of those things matter.

They sure matter more than they did in the last adminstration.

Integrity? Nothing but lies from the Neo-cons, and they were proud of it.

Honor? Avoiding military service, or recieving costly pilot training and refusing to take drug tests, wasting our money and military resources.

Right? Spying on Americans without oversight?

Wrong? Invading a much smaller nation on the basis of lies and letting the terrorist resposible for the murder of 3000 Americans on American soil go.

Character? Like Jeff Gannon, aka James Guckert, porn star. And how many overnighters did he do at the White House?

This actually made me laugh - out loud. And I rarely do that with other peoples posts (except Del, who constantly makes me laugh - dude is very very funny).....

For either the Democrats or the Republicans to try and claim the moral highground on matters of integrity and honor is just beyond ridiculous. They're politicians - they have no integrity, they have no honor. None of them. Any for anyone to pretend otherwise is just laughable.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wait wait wait. How can anyone take you seriously...or even compromise with you when you say something as spew-tastic as this. You need to take your wide paintbrush and keep moving.

So tell me what exactly on the libby progressive platform increases rather than decreases the ability of one to make his own choices?

Is it forcing people to buy health insurance?
Is it banning certain types of foods?
Is it forcing people to recycle?
Is it taking more of our money away from us to expand government?

Tell me because if there is something that the libby progressives want to do that will increase my liberties and expand my freedom of choice and allow me to keep more of the money I earn I want to know.

You know, you'd have made Mother Teresa cuss you out.

Is that supposed to mean something?

 

[Skull Pilot]

So tell me what exactly on the libby progressive platform increases rather than decreases the ability of one to make his own choices?

Is it forcing people to buy health insurance?
Is it banning certain types of foods?
Is it forcing people to recycle?
Is it taking more of our money away from us to expand government?

Tell me because if there is something that the libby progressives want to do that will increase my liberties and expand my freedom of choice and allow me to keep more of the money I earn I want to know.

You know, you'd have made Mother Teresa cuss you out.

Seeing as he didn't list any policies of any liberal politicians or ideologies, the original question is rendered stupid.

Really?

So called health care reform and the forced purchase of insurance is not a libby progressive plank???

Maybe you just can't answer the question.

But I'll give you 3 more things to think about

Charles Merriam

Stated:

The individualistic ideas of the "natural right" school of political theory, indorsed in the Revolution, are discredited and repudiated…. The origin of the state is regarded, not as the result of a deliberate agreement among men, but as the result of historical development, instinctive rather than conscious; and rights are considered to have their source not in nature, but in law.

Now this may seem benign on its face but laws can be changed. Therefore your rights have no permanency. What you had a right to do today is not necessarily a right tomorrow. It can also be implied that the state is more important than the individual because if individuals are not imbued with rights apart from the state then they are in themselves nothing.

Merriam openly called for a policy of colonialism on a racial basis:

[T]he Teutonic races must civilize the politically uncivilized. They must have a colonial policy. Barbaric races, if incapable, may be swept away…. On the same principle, interference with the affairs of states not wholly barbaric, but nevertheless incapable of effecting political organization for themselves, is fully justified.

Fully justified? What is not fully justified in the progressive view? The answer is not much. If the state deems (we've heard this recently haven't we) that anything is "good for the individual" then rights be damned and will be changed by the authority of the state so as force the individual to comply.

And Progressive political scientist Theodore Woolsey wrote,

"The sphere of the state may reach as far as the nature and needs of man and of men reach, including intellectual and aesthetic wants of the individual, and the religious and moral nature of its citizens."

So the state my declare within its reach the intellectual and aesthetic wants of the individual and can make and enforce laws accordingly.


Do the above seem to you to expand liberty and freedom of choice of the individual?

 

[Si modo]

You supported invading a nation on the basis of lies. An act that resulted in the deaths of 4500 of our own, and hundreds of thousands in Iraq.

Your hypocrisy is more than evident.

you mean the way Biden, emanuel and half of your ossiah's staff did?

fyi
You got Biden, but Emanuel was not a congressman yet in 2002 so he DID NOT vote on the Resolution at all, AND the Majority of the Democratic congressmen of the House of Representatives voted DOWN the Iraq resolution, and the House represents the People, whereas the Senators Represent the State -gvts.

He didn't say voted, he said supported. Emanuel did. like the good neocon that he is.

 

[Old Rocks]

The resolution was to use NECCESSARY force. No WMD, no neccessity of the invasion. The reason that Bush kicked the UN Inspection Team out of Iraq was that they were showing that there were no WMD.

 

[Si modo]

The resolution was to use NECCESSARY force. No WMD, no neccessity of the invasion. The reason that Bush kicked the UN Inspection Team out of Iraq was that they were showing that there were no WMD.

WMD were found in Iraq.

 

[CMike]

Murder is never an opinion matter.

And that's one of the basic difference between libs and conservatives. Liberals think that right and wrong is relative, and extend that to the nth degree.

They also think might makes right. If they're in power, things like integrity, honor, right, wrong, character...none of those things matter.

You supported invading a nation on the basis of lies. An act that resulted in the deaths of 4500 of our own, and hundreds of thousands in Iraq.

Your hypocrisy is more than evident.

Wrong. The only lies are from liberals.

 

[CMike]

The resolution was to use NECCESSARY force. No WMD, no neccessity of the invasion. The reason that Bush kicked the UN Inspection Team out of Iraq was that they were showing that there were no WMD.

According to Iraq's #2 in the air force and the chief of Israeli counter intelligence the WMD were transfered to Syria.

 

[skookerasbil]

The problem with liberals is that their agenda is based on flat out lies.

They get their "facts" and marching orders from their liberal leaders.

To liberals it's not about fairness, truth, or honesty. It's solely about winning. They lack integrity, and will go to any lengths to destory any opposition.

YouTube - Greatest movie line ever!

He said mindlessly parroting Stuttering LimpTard.

March 23, 2009
RUSH: And one of the things we know about liberalism is that it is a lie. It has to lie in order to survive. It has to create demons. It has to create enemies that have to be destroyed.

November 24, 2009
RUSH: The left, my friends, is a truly evil bunch.

February 1 2008
RUSH: you do not know the left in this country. You do not know the enemy.

Typical DittoTard projection. See the first quote in my sig.

February 11, 2008
RUSH: See, I think liberalism needs to be beaten back; I think it needs to be defeated; I think politically it is the enemy; ... It has to be beaten, not joined, not be reached out to, not be gotten along with, not worked with. It needs to be beaten

Yeah.........but how awesome that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in February of last year, Limbaugh bullseye'd his prediction that Obama would govern as a radical lefty and his poll #'s would crash.................

He was asked just last month about it by one of those beat reporters, "Mr Limbaugh......are you suprised that President Obama now has a disapproval rate of 56%?"

Everything else discussed in this thread is fodder........the bottom line is, once again, America rejects the idea's of the far left. As it applies to this forum, invariably, all of the posters who are liberal are amongst the fringe element of the left............the internet OCD's who are currently seeing their faux world crumble in the face of a tsunami of protest. America is a center-right country at a minimum depsite all the efforts of the k00ks to portray anybody who doesnt agree with Obama as, "RACIST". And I hope it continues........it just gets regular Americans more pissed off!!!! This can be confirmed by simply watching the news lately...........those on the left are getting wildly desperate with their claims, thus, it is quite clear that the skid marks in the shorts are very, very real.


Here it is s0ns...........the independents are pissed. Obama is now viewed as the modern day Wizard of Oz by the independents.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/02/democrats-no-longer-ride-tide-of-support/

Its quite simple.............Americans DONT WANT this lefty shit!!!!

 

[midcan5]

"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron


Curious but no conservative has ever answered my fundamental question of what specifically they have accomplished that is good for all America? Never!

Why, because they fail to realize their birth took place in a historic setting, a nation, a country created from the liberal principles of the 17th and 18th century. There is no conservative nation because tradition changes and if we were all conservatives, the cave and howling at the moon would still pass for good politics and a nice way to live.

Harvard University Press: The Rhetoric of Reaction : Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy by Albert O. Hirschman

Conservative opposition to change: A Short History of Conservative Obstruction to Progress | Conceptual Guerilla


Modern liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Modern American liberalism is a form of social liberalism developed from progressive ideals such as Thomas Paine's asset-based egalitarianism, Theodore Roosevelt's New Nationalism, Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom, and Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal.[1] It combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy. American liberal causes include voting rights for Black Southerners, abortion rights for women, and government entitlements such as education and health care. Keynesian economic theory plays an influential role in the economic philosophy of American liberals.[2] These policy stances adhere to the central premise that individual freedom can only exist when it is protected by a strong, democratically elected government that has an active role in society and the economy.[3][4]

John F. Kennedy, a self-described liberal, defined a liberal as follows:“ ...someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal', then I’m proud to say I’m a 'Liberal'."

 

[CMike]

That's easy prosperity.

 

[Vanquish]

People on either side that say EVERYONE on the other side lies lies lies isn't worth talking to.

 

[Subhumus]

"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron


Curious but no conservative has ever answered my fundamental question of what specifically they have accomplished that is good for all America? Never!

Why, because they fail to realize their birth took place in a historic setting, a nation, a country created from the liberal principles of the 17th and 18th century. There is no conservative nation because tradition changes and if we were all conservatives, the cave and howling at the moon would still pass for good politics and a nice way to live.

Harvard University Press: The Rhetoric of Reaction : Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy by Albert O. Hirschman

Conservative opposition to change: A Short History of Conservative Obstruction to Progress | Conceptual Guerilla


Modern liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Modern American liberalism is a form of social liberalism developed from progressive ideals such as Thomas Paine's asset-based egalitarianism, Theodore Roosevelt's New Nationalism, Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom, and Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal.[1] It combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy. American liberal causes include voting rights for Black Southerners, abortion rights for women, and government entitlements such as education and health care. Keynesian economic theory plays an influential role in the economic philosophy of American liberals.[2] These policy stances adhere to the central premise that individual freedom can only exist when it is protected by a strong, democratically elected government that has an active role in society and the economy.[3][4]

John F. Kennedy, a self-described liberal, defined a liberal as follows:“ ...someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal', then I’m proud to say I’m a 'Liberal'."

Forgive me, but are you serious? Do you HONESTLY believe that welfare is "good" for the country? Do you honestly believe that creating more dependence on government is better for the country as a whole?

It more or less undermines what the USofA stands for. Namely Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness. That is NOT a collective formula that consists of a "we'll take care of you" attitude or policy. The United States was intended by it's founders to be a place that afforded equal prominence based on individual merit. Not some blanket welfare socialist mentality that affords some pseudo mass meal ticket.

What a load of nonsense you are spinning with your "conservitives have never did anything to benifit the country as a whole" CRAP. Perhapes you REALLY have a different "whole" in mind. Like namely the HOLE that the HOLE (ier) than thou bozo we now call the POTUS has placed us DEEP within.

Your logic = FAIL.

The single greatest POTUS was a conservative. He literally saved the United States from utter implosion.

"Liberals"...the term is becoming synonymous with The Delusional.

 

[edthecynic]

There are a few problems with discussions with liberals.

1) They post lies. Their left wing bloggers and leaders tell them something and they never question it. They outright lie. The liberals count on that the political damage will gain them points, whether what they are saying is true or not.

2) They are utterly vicious and vile. They have no morals, and will do anything to "win".

They will go after minor children, it it achieves their ends.

3) They care more about America's enemies than about America. We say this by how Obama was obsessed with Al Qaida terrorist "rights".

Here are the top 10 liberal lies.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1978892-post1.html

Top ten CON$ervative Straw Men you mean.

Notice how CON$ condemn Libs for behaving like CON$.

 

[edthecynic]

The term liberal and conservative has changed dramatically during the years.

Basically today's liberal is for centralized government control, weak national security, etc.

A conservative is for loose centralized control and strong on national security.

Also liberals seem to hate America and support America's enemies.

Conservatives love America and what it means, and support America's allies.

Today's CON$ervative is for deliberately misrepresenting what libs, or anyone else who does not agree with them, stand for.

CON$ hate America so much they want to destroy this country from within by completely polarizing its people and pitting them against each other.

August 16, 2007
RUSH: See, just what I just said. An organization that is not conservative will, by definition, be liberal.

May 12, 2008
RUSH: by definition, if someone or some organization is not conservative, it's by definition going to be liberal, not moderate, not independent, it's going to be liberal

February 11, 2008
RUSH: See, I think liberalism needs to be beaten back; I think it needs to be defeated; I think politically it is the enemy; ... It has to be beaten, not joined, not be reached out to, not be gotten along with, not worked with. It needs to be beaten

Hey there is no reason to be divisive.


All the liberals have to do enact into law all the republican proposals.

No reason for these libs to be divisive.

BTW I completely agree with Rush. Liberals need to be defeated not compromised with. The more successful they are in getting their marxist agenda passed, the worse off for this country.

So after condemning Libs for wanting to win a few posts earlier, you now praise CON$ for wanting to win.

 

[CMike]

Of course conservatives should win.

My point is that liberals do so unethically and without morality.

 

[CMike]

There are a few problems with discussions with liberals.

1) They post lies. Their left wing bloggers and leaders tell them something and they never question it. They outright lie. The liberals count on that the political damage will gain them points, whether what they are saying is true or not.

2) They are utterly vicious and vile. They have no morals, and will do anything to "win".

They will go after minor children, it it achieves their ends.

3) They care more about America's enemies than about America. We say this by how Obama was obsessed with Al Qaida terrorist "rights".

Here are the top 10 liberal lies.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1978892-post1.html

Top ten CON$ervative Straw Men you mean.

Notice how CON$ condemn Libs for behaving like CON$.

Not quite. Conservatives condemn liberals for behing like liberals.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA0nld86tGw]YouTube - Greatest movie line ever![/ame]

 

[MaggieMae]

The resolution was to use NECCESSARY force. No WMD, no neccessity of the invasion. The reason that Bush kicked the UN Inspection Team out of Iraq was that they were showing that there were no WMD.

WMD were found in Iraq.

Google "The Duelfer Report."