Are you generally for or against tariffs?

[jack3]

This issue has always been somewhat a dilemma for me.

OTOH, I think people should be free to buy where they want. If Japan makes a better product, then why can't I buy it? Why should sub-par workers lack incentives to beat another country? They need impetus to compete. Tariffs also creates winners and losers among industries.

Conversely, Why not band together as a country? China produces a lot of junk. It's sold at junk stores. Countries doing that make a mockery of you.

Ideally, people would recognize the junk being sold and not buy it. They would reject inferior products from dollar and box stores. Consumers would demand more, spurring manufacturers to do better. There are decent products made here, but people are not savvy consumers.

I saw a Kobalt wheelbarrow at Lowes for $179. Close to it was a Jackson wheelbarrow $30 cheaper at $149. The Jackson product had thicker metal, better brackets, and was just appeared better from the short time I glanced at them. And yet, Kobalt has the more recognized name among consumers and charges more.

There are other knockoffs like Kobalt. Levis makes cheaper denim pants with fewer rivets and single stitching for Big Lots and similar stores. Walmarx sells brittle fishing rods not fired properly in ovens. Mowers are sold at Home Depot with plastic where there should be metal.

China has been selling their inferior products to rube US consumers for years. American rubes are duped and even claim, "I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price!" (paraphrased Gretchen Wilson song).

Warren Buffet summed it up best. He said, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get."

 

[jack3]

Oh, guess I carried on a bit. So what do you say?

 

[john doe 101]

This issue has always been somewhat a dilemma for me.

OTOH, I think people should be free to buy where they want. If Japan makes a better product, then why can't I buy it? Why should sub-par workers lack incentives to beat another country? They need impetus to compete. Tariffs also creates winners and losers among industries.

Conversely, Why not band together as a country? China produces a lot of junk. It's sold at junk stores. Countries doing that make a mockery of you.

Ideally, people would recognize the junk being sold and not buy it. They would reject inferior products from dollar and box stores. Consumers would demand more, spurring manufacturers to do better. There are decent products made here, but people are not savvy consumers.

I saw a Kobalt wheelbarrow at Lowes for $179. Close to it was a Jackson wheelbarrow $30 cheaper at $149. The Jackson product had thicker metal, better brackets, and was just appeared better from the short time I glanced at them. And yet, Kobalt has the more recognized name among consumers and charges more.

There are other knockoffs like Kobalt. Levis makes cheaper denim pants with fewer rivets and single stitching for Big Lots and similar stores. Walmarx sells brittle fishing rods not fired properly in ovens. Mowers are sold at Home Depot with plastic where there should be metal.

China has been selling their inferior products to rube US consumers for years. American rubes are duped and even claim, "I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price!" (paraphrased Gretchen Wilson song).

Warren Buffet summed it up best. He said, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get."

Anecdotal stories and simplifying complex issues down to a few paragraphs, thinking you have solved the issue. Yep it must be a red hat.

 

[theHawk]

This issue has always been somewhat a dilemma for me.

OTOH, I think people should be free to buy where they want. If Japan makes a better product, then why can't I buy it? Why should sub-par workers lack incentives to beat another country? They need impetus to compete. Tariffs also creates winners and losers among industries.

Conversely, Why not band together as a country? China produces a lot of junk. It's sold at junk stores. Countries doing that make a mockery of you.

Ideally, people would recognize the junk being sold and not buy it. They would reject inferior products from dollar and box stores. Consumers would demand more, spurring manufacturers to do better. There are decent products made here, but people are not savvy consumers.

I saw a Kobalt wheelbarrow at Lowes for $179. Close to it was a Jackson wheelbarrow $30 cheaper at $149. The Jackson product had thicker metal, better brackets, and was just appeared better from the short time I glanced at them. And yet, Kobalt has the more recognized name among consumers and charges more.

There are other knockoffs like Kobalt. Levis makes cheaper denim pants with fewer rivets and single stitching for Big Lots and similar stores. Walmarx sells brittle fishing rods not fired properly in ovens. Mowers are sold at Home Depot with plastic where there should be metal.

China has been selling their inferior products to rube US consumers for years. American rubes are duped and even claim, "I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price!" (paraphrased Gretchen Wilson song).

Warren Buffet summed it up best. He said, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get."

Of course we should use tariffs, most countries in the world do.

The EU uses them to great effect.

It doesn’t mean everything needs to be made in the USA. But let’s at least get critical things built in America, and also trade with non-communist countries instead of communist CCP.

And for the climate Nazis on the left, why are we rewarding China who pollutes the Earth more than anyone else? We are literally paying them to destroy the environment just to get cheap shit made. How about putting a climate tax on goods made in China until they clean their act up?

 

[MarathonMike]

I am all for tariffs on China, especially on the Fentanyl that's killing 100 Americans a day.

 

[john doe 101]

I am all for tariffs on China, especially on the Fentanyl that's killing 100 Americans a day.

China didn't create this problem. People like you did.

 

[22lcidw]

China didn't create this problem. People like you did.

When most electric vehicles built are from China or China manufacturing plants in our nation you will understand. Most Americans will never purchase one from Detroit.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This issue has always been somewhat a dilemma for me.

OTOH, I think people should be free to buy where they want. If Japan makes a better product, then why can't I buy it? Why should sub-par workers lack incentives to beat another country? They need impetus to compete. Tariffs also creates winners and losers among industries.

Conversely, Why not band together as a country? China produces a lot of junk. It's sold at junk stores. Countries doing that make a mockery of you.

Ideally, people would recognize the junk being sold and not buy it. They would reject inferior products from dollar and box stores. Consumers would demand more, spurring manufacturers to do better. There are decent products made here, but people are not savvy consumers.

I saw a Kobalt wheelbarrow at Lowes for $179. Close to it was a Jackson wheelbarrow $30 cheaper at $149. The Jackson product had thicker metal, better brackets, and was just appeared better from the short time I glanced at them. And yet, Kobalt has the more recognized name among consumers and charges more.

There are other knockoffs like Kobalt. Levis makes cheaper denim pants with fewer rivets and single stitching for Big Lots and similar stores. Walmarx sells brittle fishing rods not fired properly in ovens. Mowers are sold at Home Depot with plastic where there should be metal.

China has been selling their inferior products to rube US consumers for years. American rubes are duped and even claim, "I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price!" (paraphrased Gretchen Wilson song).

Warren Buffet summed it up best. He said, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get."

The problem with tariffs is that if someone uses them, then you need to use them too.

The EU (or even the US) is a good example of where no tariffs work. All countries have no tariffs against each other and everyone gets rich.

But if another country protects their own, then you can't just live with that unfair competition.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Oh, guess I carried on a bit. So what do you say?

Against, but not a deal breaker for me

 

[john doe 101]

When most electric vehicles built are from China or China manufacturing plants in our nation you will understand. Most Americans will never purchase one from Detroit.

What will I understand?

 

[Orangecat]

This issue has always been somewhat a dilemma for me.

OTOH, I think people should be free to buy where they want. If Japan makes a better product, then why can't I buy it? Why should sub-par workers lack incentives to beat another country? They need impetus to compete. Tariffs also creates winners and losers among industries.

Conversely, Why not band together as a country? China produces a lot of junk. It's sold at junk stores. Countries doing that make a mockery of you.

Ideally, people would recognize the junk being sold and not buy it. They would reject inferior products from dollar and box stores. Consumers would demand more, spurring manufacturers to do better. There are decent products made here, but people are not savvy consumers.

I saw a Kobalt wheelbarrow at Lowes for $179. Close to it was a Jackson wheelbarrow $30 cheaper at $149. The Jackson product had thicker metal, better brackets, and was just appeared better from the short time I glanced at them. And yet, Kobalt has the more recognized name among consumers and charges more.

There are other knockoffs like Kobalt. Levis makes cheaper denim pants with fewer rivets and single stitching for Big Lots and similar stores. Walmarx sells brittle fishing rods not fired properly in ovens. Mowers are sold at Home Depot with plastic where there should be metal.

China has been selling their inferior products to rube US consumers for years. American rubes are duped and even claim, "I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price!" (paraphrased Gretchen Wilson song).

Warren Buffet summed it up best. He said, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get."

I fully support tariffs if they are used to accomplish these goals:
1. Reduce income taxation.
2. Compensate for slave labor wages in other countries.
3. Reciprocate for tariffs placed upon US exports.

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

So Trump imposed big tariffs which China hated. Biden criticized those tariffs, but seems he left them in place for the most part. And then the media stopped talking about it.

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

Anecdotal stories and simplifying complex issues down to a few paragraphs, thinking you have solved the issue. Yep it must be a red hat.

IM2, Usually people complain when a thread is too long. Seems to me the op framed the issues and provided a springboard for discussion. Unlike all your pages and pages of copy-paste.

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

What will I understand?

Nothing I've seen, IM2. Ever.

 

[theHawk]

China didn't create this problem. People like you did.

The Fentanyl problem in America is because of MarathonMike ?

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

The Fentanyl problem in America is because of MarathonMike ?

John Doe 101 is IM2. Same patterns in all his posts, with all of his accounts.

 

[22lcidw]

What will I understand?

That there are many that will want China to be the leader over the traitors of what the United States has become. That is vengeance. And the kicker is, many on your side will complete that task. China is going to be the world leader within a couple of decades.

 

[theHawk]

The EU (or even the US) is a good example of where no tariffs work

LOL, the EU uses tariffs…. a lot.

International trade in goods - tariffs - Statistics Explained

ec.europa.eu

Not All Tariffs Are the Same: The Core Differences between U.S. and EU Tariffs against Chinese EVs

Francesa Ghiretti analyzes the similarities and differences between the tariffs imposed on Chinese electric vehicles by the United States and the European Union, as well as their implications for geopolitics and the future of the EU relationship with China.

www.csis.org

EU Customs Tariff (TARIC)

Tariff measures, Agricultural measures, Trade Defence instruments, Prohibitions and restrictions to import and export, Surveillance of movements of goods at import and export

taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu

 

[Doc7505]

This issue has always been somewhat a dilemma for me.

OTOH, I think people should be free to buy where they want. If Japan makes a better product, then why can't I buy it? Why should sub-par workers lack incentives to beat another country? They need impetus to compete. Tariffs also creates winners and losers among industries.

Conversely, Why not band together as a country? China produces a lot of junk. It's sold at junk stores. Countries doing that make a mockery of you.

Ideally, people would recognize the junk being sold and not buy it. They would reject inferior products from dollar and box stores. Consumers would demand more, spurring manufacturers to do better. There are decent products made here, but people are not savvy consumers.

I saw a Kobalt wheelbarrow at Lowes for $179. Close to it was a Jackson wheelbarrow $30 cheaper at $149. The Jackson product had thicker metal, better brackets, and was just appeared better from the short time I glanced at them. And yet, Kobalt has the more recognized name among consumers and charges more.

There are other knockoffs like Kobalt. Levis makes cheaper denim pants with fewer rivets and single stitching for Big Lots and similar stores. Walmarx sells brittle fishing rods not fired properly in ovens. Mowers are sold at Home Depot with plastic where there should be metal.

China has been selling their inferior products to rube US consumers for years. American rubes are duped and even claim, "I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price!" (paraphrased Gretchen Wilson song).

Warren Buffet summed it up best. He said, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get."

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Of course Tarrffs/Taxes should be charged on foreign manufactured goods.
This controls what comes into the country and pays for the bureaucats in Washington.

 

[Captain Caveman]

This issue has always been somewhat a dilemma for me.

OTOH, I think people should be free to buy where they want. If Japan makes a better product, then why can't I buy it? Why should sub-par workers lack incentives to beat another country? They need impetus to compete. Tariffs also creates winners and losers among industries.

Conversely, Why not band together as a country? China produces a lot of junk. It's sold at junk stores. Countries doing that make a mockery of you.

Ideally, people would recognize the junk being sold and not buy it. They would reject inferior products from dollar and box stores. Consumers would demand more, spurring manufacturers to do better. There are decent products made here, but people are not savvy consumers.

I saw a Kobalt wheelbarrow at Lowes for $179. Close to it was a Jackson wheelbarrow $30 cheaper at $149. The Jackson product had thicker metal, better brackets, and was just appeared better from the short time I glanced at them. And yet, Kobalt has the more recognized name among consumers and charges more.

There are other knockoffs like Kobalt. Levis makes cheaper denim pants with fewer rivets and single stitching for Big Lots and similar stores. Walmarx sells brittle fishing rods not fired properly in ovens. Mowers are sold at Home Depot with plastic where there should be metal.

China has been selling their inferior products to rube US consumers for years. American rubes are duped and even claim, "I can buy the same damn thing on a Walmart shelf half price!" (paraphrased Gretchen Wilson song).

Warren Buffet summed it up best. He said, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get."

The trouble for a long time is more shoppers are focused on price and not quality. The old saying, "Buy cheap, buy twice". I don't go for cheap, I don't go for expensive, I buy middle ground and look for Made in UK, or at worst, Made in EU. But sometimes you can't get away from China junk, there's no other choice. Also a mix, I bought a beard trimmer, I paid the extra and bought a Made in EU model, but when I opened it, the actual machine body is EU stamped but the plastic blade attachments are stamped Made in China. It's not any better with clothing from the likes of India and Vietnam. Marks & Spencers in the UK had to ditch UK clothing manufacturing for the cheap crap to survive, when you walk into their stores, you sense in the air cheap clothing, a cheap atmosphere. As the quality and thickness of junk fabric is about one fifth of UK fabric, the stores feel one fifth stocked.

From the 80's, the UK started to move from manufacturing to a service industry under Thatcher and accelerated faster and to a larger extent under Blair. We've lost most of that good quality manufacturing, nothing but junk imports. We just have useless degrees in arts, media, fashion, drama, and many more fake crap like that. Just waiting to see if they will invent the Gender degree, assuming it's not already there.

The thread could have had a poll, from 1 - Stronger oppose tariffs, to a 10 - Strongly agree with tariffs. I would vote 10 and if I was PM, investment would be made available for UK manufacturing.

One engineering firm I know had to quote based on China steel and not British steel to win the contract. When they cut a Chinese steel beam open, a pocket of half melted ball bearings fell out. So not only we suffer junk shop goods, we suffer junk infrastructure. But the bizarre thing is, many UK and US citizens vouch for the junk, and because of that, we're sunk.

A support for Chinese junk is a support for Chinese workers getting a shit wage and shit lifestyle.