Zone1 Are White People Wrong to Judge Fani Willis by Our Standards of Marital Fidelity and Ethics?

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hundreds of Thousands?

I know that there were some Northern Democrats who supported the Union and the war. That does not translate into "hundreds of thousands" of them actually fighting the war.

Of course it does. AI: "During the American Civil War, a significant number of Northern Democrats supported the Union cause and actively participated in the conflict. These Democrats were known as War Democrats. Let’s delve into the details:

War Democrats: These individuals backed the continued prosecution of the war and remained loyal to the Union after the South seceded. While they supported the war effort, they sometimes objected to Republican economic policies and President Abraham Lincoln’s actions related to civil rights. In the 1864 presidential election, War Democrats joined forces with Republicans to form the Union Party, which nominated Lincoln for president and selected War Democrat Andrew Johnson as his running mate1.12.

 

[IM2]

Of course it does. AI: "During the American Civil War, a significant number of Northern Democrats supported the Union cause and actively participated in the conflict. These Democrats were known as War Democrats. Let’s delve into the details:

War Democrats: These individuals backed the continued prosecution of the war and remained loyal to the Union after the South seceded. While they supported the war effort, they sometimes objected to Republican economic policies and President Abraham Lincoln’s actions related to civil rights. In the 1864 presidential election, War Democrats joined forces with Republicans to form the Union Party, which nominated Lincoln for president and selected War Democrat Andrew Johnson as his running mate1.12.

OOOOOH! Don't do that! Facts! Oh no! It spoils the Republican narrative.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So there is good Christianity and bad Christianity.

That is the nature of being human.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not exactly how it happened. Stop pretending that blacks just sat there and were saved by whitey. Whites lived in fear every day slavery existed.

They lived in fear that slaves would organize and revolt. Unfortunately, for those who believe in Darwin, the system of African blacks capturing other African blacks for sale into slavery selected only the slowest and dumbest for export to America.

Not until a white man led them did the revolts ever happen.

Black Seminoles—Gullahs Who Escaped From Slavery

The Black Seminoles are a small offshoot of the Gullah who escaped from the rice plantations in South Carolina and Georgia. They built their own settlements on the Florida frontier, fought a series of wars to preserve their freedom, and were scattered across North America. They have played a significant role in American history but have never received the recognition they deserve. Some Gullah slaves managed to escape from coastal South Carolina and Georgia south into the Florida peninsula.

https://glc.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Black%20Seminoles%20.pdf

It's amazing how much Amerian history some whites don't know.

Kewl story.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Of course it does. AI: "During the American Civil War, a significant number of Northern Democrats supported the Union cause and actively participated in the conflict. These Democrats were known as War Democrats. Let’s delve into the details:

War Democrats: These individuals backed the continued prosecution of the war and remained loyal to the Union after the South seceded. While they supported the war effort, they sometimes objected to Republican economic policies and President Abraham Lincoln’s actions related to civil rights. In the 1864 presidential election, War Democrats joined forces with Republicans to form the Union Party, which nominated Lincoln for president and selected War Democrat Andrew Johnson as his running mate1.12.

It says nothing about "hundreds of thousands" fighting for the Union.

I hope you don't mean this (AI):

Evidence of Espionage:

• Some cases: There were documented instances of individual Northern Democrats engaging in espionage for the Confederacy. These individuals often held strong Copperhead sentiments and actively opposed the war effort. They used methods like smuggling information and communicating with Confederate agents.

Damn Democrats never change their stripes, do they?

 

[IM2]

They lived in fear that slaves would organize and revolt. Unfortunately, for those who believe in Darwin, the system of African blacks capturing other African blacks for sale into slavery selected only the slowest and dumbest for export to America.

Not until a white man led them did the revolts ever happen.

Kewl story.

You really need to quit. Because you make me laugh.

The Schomburg Center for the Research of Black Culture has excellent information about the African slave trade that provides a stark contrast between what happened and what some use as an excuse to discount the experiences of blacks in America. The website is named “The Abolition of the Slave Trade-African Resistance.” The information contained in this collection debunks the race baited tales presented by some in America today.

“Africans started to fight the transatlantic slave trade as soon as it began. Their struggles were multifaceted and covered four continents over four centuries. Still, they have often been underestimated, overlooked, or forgotten. African resistance was reported in European sources only when it concerned attacks on slave ships and company barracoons but acts of resistance also took place far from the coast and thus escaped the slavers’ attention."

Africa’s role in the slave trade as told by a segment of white society is incomplete and lacking in fact. It was not so simple as blacks capturing each other and selling them to whites. Europeans did not just waltz into Africa and overwhelm a bunch of backward, naked, dumb savages. The were in a fight for 400 years. Many Europeans entered Africa, and Africa ended up being their final resting place.

“Some leaders actively worked against the transatlantic slave trade. One of the most famous was Abdel Kader Kane, the Muslim leader of the Futa Toro region in northern Senegal. Kane had succeeded in peopling his kingdom by retaking by force his people who had been kidnapped and by forbidding slave caravans from passing through his territory. After the French took three children from Futa, Kane sent a letter to the governor:

“We are warning you that all those who will come to our land to trade [in slaves] will be killed and massacred if you do not send our children back. Would not somebody who was very hungry abstain from eating if he had to eat something cooked with his blood? We absolutely do not want you to buy Muslims under any circumstances. I repeat that if your intention is to always buy Muslims you should stay home and not come to our country anymore. Because all those who will come can be assured that they will lose their life."

There is always the ignoramus that makes the comments you have made thinking they are being the smart ass. Inevitably the dumb white boy runs into the black person or native American who knows the history and not the white boy lie. We get told stories about the shackles and chains, but not really why they were necessary. It is just “you sold your own into balls and chains. But things just did not happen as some have chosen to believe.

"In the eighteenth century, Fort Saint-Joseph on the Senegal River was attacked, and all commerce was interrupted for six years. Several conspiracies and actual revolts by captives erupted on Gorée Island and resulted in the death of the governor and several soldiers. In addition, the crews of quite a few slave ships were killed on the River Gambia; in Sierra Leone, people sacked the captives’ quarters of the infamous trader John Ormond. Similar incidents occurred in other parts of the African coast. Written records document how Africans on shore attacked more than a hundred ships.

But revolts on slave ships, although extremely difficult to organize and conduct, were numerous. About 420 revolts have been documented in slavers ’papers, and they do not represent the totality. It is estimated that 100,000 Africans died in uprisings on the coast or during the Middle Passage. The fear of revolts resulted in additional costs for the slavers: larger crews, heavy weapons, and barricades. About 18 percent of the costs of the Middle Passage were incurred due to measures to thwart uprisings, and the captives who rose up saved, according to estimates, one million Africans from deportation by driving up the slavers’ expenses.”

It's amazing how much history some whites don't know.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You really need to quit. Because you make me laugh.

The Schomburg Center for the Research of Black Culture has excellent information about the African slave trade that provides a stark contrast between what happened and what some use as an excuse to discount the experiences of blacks in America. The website is named “The Abolition of the Slave Trade-African Resistance.” The information contained in this collection debunks the race baited tales presented by some in America today.

“Africans started to fight the transatlantic slave trade as soon as it began. Their struggles were multifaceted and covered four continents over four centuries. Still, they have often been underestimated, overlooked, or forgotten. African resistance was reported in European sources only when it concerned attacks on slave ships and company barracoons but acts of resistance also took place far from the coast and thus escaped the slavers’ attention."

Africa’s role in the slave trade as told by a segment of white society is incomplete and lacking in fact. It was not so simple as blacks capturing each other and selling them to whites. Europeans did not just waltz into Africa and overwhelm a bunch of backward, naked, dumb savages. The were in a fight for 400 years. Many Europeans entered Africa, and Africa ended up being their final resting place.

“Some leaders actively worked against the transatlantic slave trade. One of the most famous was Abdel Kader Kane, the Muslim leader of the Futa Toro region in northern Senegal. Kane had succeeded in peopling his kingdom by retaking by force his people who had been kidnapped and by forbidding slave caravans from passing through his territory. After the French took three children from Futa, Kane sent a letter to the governor:

“We are warning you that all those who will come to our land to trade [in slaves] will be killed and massacred if you do not send our children back. Would not somebody who was very hungry abstain from eating if he had to eat something cooked with his blood? We absolutely do not want you to buy Muslims under any circumstances. I repeat that if your intention is to always buy Muslims you should stay home and not come to our country anymore. Because all those who will come can be assured that they will lose their life."

There is always the ignoramus that makes the comments you have made thinking they are being the smart ass. Inevitably the dumb white boy runs into the black person or native American who knows the history and not the white boy lie. We get told stories about the shackles and chains, but not really why they were necessary. It is just “you sold your own into balls and chains. But things just did not happen as some have chosen to believe.

"In the eighteenth century, Fort Saint-Joseph on the Senegal River was attacked, and all commerce was interrupted for six years. Several conspiracies and actual revolts by captives erupted on Gorée Island and resulted in the death of the governor and several soldiers. In addition, the crews of quite a few slave ships were killed on the River Gambia; in Sierra Leone, people sacked the captives’ quarters of the infamous trader John Ormond. Similar incidents occurred in other parts of the African coast. Written records document how Africans on shore attacked more than a hundred ships.

But revolts on slave ships, although extremely difficult to organize and conduct, were numerous. About 420 revolts have been documented in slavers ’papers, and they do not represent the totality. It is estimated that 100,000 Africans died in uprisings on the coast or during the Middle Passage. The fear of revolts resulted in additional costs for the slavers: larger crews, heavy weapons, and barricades. About 18 percent of the costs of the Middle Passage were incurred due to measures to thwart uprisings, and the captives who rose up saved, according to estimates, one million Africans from deportation by driving up the slavers’ expenses.”

It's amazing how much history some whites don't know.

I see nothing in that post about the topic of this thread.

Please move along.

 

[IM2]

Are White People Wrong to Judge Fani Willis by Our Standards of Marital Fidelity and Ethics?​

Yes, because whites have shown they have no such standards.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I posted in response to your stupidity. Don't make incorrect comments about blacks and shut the fuck up trying to compare blacks and whites as it pertains to morality or ethics.

Zone 1, Sir.

 

[Coyote]

They lived in fear that slaves would organize and revolt. Unfortunately, for those who believe in Darwin, the system of African blacks capturing other African blacks for sale into slavery selected only the slowest and dumbest for export to America.

Not until a white man led them did the revolts ever happen.

Kewl story.

That is wrong on so many counts.

If your “natural selection” for the dumbest and slowest were true…we should look at other “exports“. The bulk of the colonists to the American colonies were convicts, debtors, indentured servants (one step above slaves)…the colonies provided a means of emptying the prisons…that make them pretty dumb and slow to have been captured and exported right?

The largest and most successful slave rebellion in history was Haiti, and there wasn’t a white man leading them…it was countries led by White men that imposed embargo’s and boycotts on Haiti in an attempt to crush the new country and out of fear it might inspire more rebellions.

As another poster pointed out…the Democrats were sharply divided, north and south on the issue, that fact keeps getting omitted.

 

[IM2]

Zone 1, Sir.

And you mentioned blacks selling each other and how whites fought to free us so just shut your mouth.

 

[Coyote]

What this is really about: women are held to a higher standard when it comes to sex than men are. Not the same standard.

 

[Seymour Flops]

What this is really about: women are held to a higher standard when it comes to sex than men are. Not the same standard.

That's probably true also. But there is no sexism forum on which to post such a proposition.

 

[IM2]

What this is really about: women are held to a higher standard when it comes to sex than men are. Not the same standard.

That's all the questioning was about and it was shameful.

 

[IM2]

That's probably true also. But there is no sexism forum on which to post such a proposition.

She posted it here. Deal with it.

 

[otto105]

She assumed that because of everything she was able to get away with up until then, because she was a black female - and played the race card all her life. She showed herself to have average intelligence at best, and most likely got into Emory due to Affirmative Action.

Did you know her “daddy” was a founder of a faction of the Black Panthers? She probably grew up with the attitude that the white man owes her.

Bitch, that is hilarious.


How does that affect the facts in the case against the sycophants and their leader>

 

[Coyote]

That's probably true also. But there is no sexism forum on which to post such a proposition.

There does not need to be…use General Discussion.

 

[Coyote]

She assumed that because of everything she was able to get away with up until then, because she was a black female - and played the race card all her life. She showed herself to have average intelligence at best, and most likely got into Emory due to Affirmative Action.

Did you know her “daddy” was a founder of a faction of the Black Panthers? She probably grew up with the attitude that the white man owes her.

She actually has a pretty impressive record. Maybe you shouldn’t make these racially based assumptions about her.

 

[IM2]

Bitch, that is hilarious.


How does that affect the facts in the case against the sycophants and their leader>

Here comes Lisa with the anti black hate.

Lisa, whites do owe us. And I seriously doubt if she was handed that law degree because she is black. Nor was she handed an elected DA position just because she is black.

I've lived black for almost 63 years and do not recall anything just handed to me because I'm black.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That is wrong on so many counts.

If your “natural selection” for the dumbest and slowest were true…we should look at other “exports“. The bulk of the colonists to the American colonies were convicts, debtors, indentured servants (one step above slaves)…the colonies provided a means of emptying the prisons…that make them pretty dumb and slow to have been captured and exported right?

Sure, in some cases. But you may be mixing up American colonies with Australian ones. Also, convict labor is completely different from endutured servitude, so the two should not be conflated.

Indentured servants voluntarily signed a contract. That's what an "indenture" was, a contract copied twice on the same sheet of paper and torn unevenly. The proof that they were true copies of each other was that the indentions on the pages would match.

I don't see equating voluntarily contracting to serve a term of labor in exchange for passage to the land of opportunity as being "captured and exported." Slavery was exactly that, and so was convict labor. That the endentured servants could read and sign their names put them leaps and bounds ahead of most of the captured and sold labor in America, be they UK convicts, or African prisoners.

Here is more information about that:

Convict Labor Systems | Encyclopedia.com

CONVICT LABOR SYSTEMSCONVICT LABOR SYSTEMS. In 1718 the British government decided that "transportation," the banishing of convicts to work in the colonies, created a more effective deterrent to recidivism than the standard punishments of whipping and branding. This change in policy was favored...

www.encyclopedia.com

Why would you say it is "wrong on many counts," and then provide a similar example? Did you think that I would say "Oh, no. They could not have been low-IQ, they were white?" Please don't buy the hype of a certain poster on this thread, who states that he is black.

Yes, the convict laborer brought to the colonies was almost certainly low-IQ, just as modern day convicts are.

The largest and most successful slave rebellion in history was Haiti, and there wasn’t a white man leading them…it was countries led by White men that imposed embargo’s and boycotts on Haiti in an attempt to crush the new country and out of fear it might inspire more rebellions.

As another poster pointed out…the Democrats were sharply divided, north and south on the issue, that fact keeps getting omitted.

Yes, there were Democrats who did not support slavery and secession. But, with the overwhelming majority of Democrats strongly in favor of both, one has to wonder if those anti-slavery, pro-union, Democrats were just Democrats because their family had always been and they were raised to hate the Whigs, and simply had not yet heard of the relatively new Republican Party, which was the party of anti-slavery and then anti-secession.

We can guess all we want, but we know that the Democratic Party was the party of slavery, and the party of Jim Crow, until they saw the inevitibility of black enfranchisement. Then they had a miraculous change of heart.