Are ventilators really essential?

[iamwhatiseem]

What permanent damage?

What are you talking about it, the other day some 104 year old man got the libtard/communist virus and survived.

OMG.... you should be embarrassed.

 

[eagle1462010]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

And you can’t claim there are not en Ugh ventilators.

Give us an example of someone needing a ventilator that was not provided one.

Again the shear ignorance. What kind of person are you to assume you somehow know?
As I have said in other threads, my son is a Respiratory Specialist, my daughter is an RT and her husband is a Paramedic. All three are directly providing care to CV patients. Particularly my daughter, who has pod responsibility of adult ICU. Her hospital is using CPAPs instead of vents for several patients. They do not have enough vents. Now imagine o yourself how fucking difficult it is to decide who gets one and who doesn't. Knowing full well the one who doesn't may die or suffer permanent damage because if it.

What permanent damage?

What are you talking about it, the other day some 104 year old man got the libtard/communist virus and survived.

scar tissue from the virus.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What permanent damage?

What are you talking about it, the other day some 104 year old man got the libtard/communist virus and survived.

OMG.... you should be embarrassed.

Am I embarrassed of course I am, by you retards freaking out over nothing.

 

[BULLDOG]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

And you can’t claim there are not en Ugh ventilators.

Give us an example of someone needing a ventilator that was not provided one.

Not how it works, dumb ass. Everybody has seen the chart showing expected cases. The line on that chart goes up drastically over the next week or two. That's why we need to get the ventilators now because it will be too late to try to get them after the amount of cases goes up so high. Do you wait until you are out of gas on the side of the road before you try to find a gas station?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

And you can’t claim there are not en Ugh ventilators.

Give us an example of someone needing a ventilator that was not provided one.

Again the shear ignorance. What kind of person are you to assume you somehow know?
As I have said in other threads, my son is a Respiratory Specialist, my daughter is an RT and her husband is a Paramedic. All three are directly providing care to CV patients. Particularly my daughter, who has pod responsibility of adult ICU. Her hospital is using CPAPs instead of vents for several patients. They do not have enough vents. Now imagine o yourself how fucking difficult it is to decide who gets one and who doesn't. Knowing full well the one who doesn't may die or suffer permanent damage because if it.

What permanent damage?

What are you talking about it, the other day some 104 year old man got the libtard/communist virus and survived.

scar tissue from the virus.

Ignorance is not knowing, Stupidity is insisting that you do know.
And that is the case here. We are talking near "flat earth" stupidity shown here.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydroxycoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

 

[HaShev]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

The same media who try to attack the anti viral anti inflamatory drug that's been used for such purpose for a long time, would rather you not take anti inflamatories so that your lungs will inflate and cause the need for ventilators, just so they can hoard them in wharehouses and claim the Gov't didn't assist obtaining them (as a mere tactical political talking point).
This is why officials in Connecticut are so P'od with NY bogarting all the ventillators and other supplies including the anti inflamatory drugs they received..

 

[sakinago]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

When your talking about a traumatic brain injury to the brain stem, or severely damaged lung tissue, yeah they’re often a last ditch effort. But that’s not what we’re dealing with here. You’re dealing with inflammation, from an infection, that gets so bad it’s extremely painful too breath, as well as a lower rate of transfer of gasses from the outside into the bloodstream, and vise versa. So for people with high blood pressure, and this infection that’s making them take shallower breaths, and lowering gas exchange in the lungs...yeah ventilators making them take as deep of breaths as possible increasing exchange are a good idea.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 patients that came out last night from France identified that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseases progression stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

NY's massive drop off is in line with them starting the trials of the drug pair.. 7 days and ventilator needs dropped like a rock..

 

[ColonelAngus]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

 

[ColonelAngus]

The Orange Man bad people will reject this.

 

[OldLady]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Mortality rate of COVID-19 patients on ventilators - Physician's Weekly

Written by Physician's Weekly Blogger, Skeptical Scalpel Although at the time I wrote this over 33,000 people had died from COVID 19 infections worldwide, the numbers of patients dying in intensive care units and on mechanical ventilation is unknown. We have some early published data on...

www.physiciansweekly.com

"Of the 98 patients who received advanced respiratory support—defined as invasive ventilation, BPAP or CPAP via endotracheal tube, or tracheostomy, or extracorporeal respiratory support—66% died."

But if I needed it, I'd take those odds. 1 in 3 is better than nothing.

 

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

 

[ozro]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Mortality rate of COVID-19 patients on ventilators - Physician's Weekly

Written by Physician's Weekly Blogger, Skeptical Scalpel Although at the time I wrote this over 33,000 people had died from COVID 19 infections worldwide, the numbers of patients dying in intensive care units and on mechanical ventilation is unknown. We have some early published data on...

www.physiciansweekly.com

"Of the 98 patients who received advanced respiratory support—defined as invasive ventilation, BPAP or CPAP via endotracheal tube, or tracheostomy, or extracorporeal respiratory support—66% died."

But if I needed it, I'd take those odds. 1 in 3 is better than nothing.

I agree, and that should be your choice. However, once again the hype by the media is overblown on this issue.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Mortality rate of COVID-19 patients on ventilators - Physician's Weekly

Written by Physician's Weekly Blogger, Skeptical Scalpel Although at the time I wrote this over 33,000 people had died from COVID 19 infections worldwide, the numbers of patients dying in intensive care units and on mechanical ventilation is unknown. We have some early published data on...

www.physiciansweekly.com

"Of the 98 patients who received advanced respiratory support—defined as invasive ventilation, BPAP or CPAP via endotracheal tube, or tracheostomy, or extracorporeal respiratory support—66% died."

But if I needed it, I'd take those odds. 1 in 3 is better than nothing.

Who has needed a ventilator that was not provided one?

 

[OldLady]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 patients that came out last night from France identified that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseases progression stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

NY's massive drop off is in line with them starting the trials of the drug pair.. 7 days and ventilator needs dropped like a rock..

Good news! Got a link?

 

[OldLady]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Mortality rate of COVID-19 patients on ventilators - Physician's Weekly

Written by Physician's Weekly Blogger, Skeptical Scalpel Although at the time I wrote this over 33,000 people had died from COVID 19 infections worldwide, the numbers of patients dying in intensive care units and on mechanical ventilation is unknown. We have some early published data on...

www.physiciansweekly.com

"Of the 98 patients who received advanced respiratory support—defined as invasive ventilation, BPAP or CPAP via endotracheal tube, or tracheostomy, or extracorporeal respiratory support—66% died."

But if I needed it, I'd take those odds. 1 in 3 is better than nothing.

Who has needed a ventilator that was not provided one?

Yes, I get your point. I was just commenting that sometimes patients on ventilators DO pull through. Another poster said it was more like 50-50. Hopefully, the new drug combo will prevent a lot of people from getting that bad.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....