Are These Reasonable Regulations of Guns? or Harassment of Gun Owners?

[Shawnee_b]

Daryl. Im gonna call major bullshit on that unless you can provide a substantial link. Never seen it, never heard of it.

I'm also betting all patriots said Fuh this, an still kept their weapons.

I'm 65, never heard of an armory where Civies kept their weapons. Why would they? Trust the govt? Yeah OK

The Armories was the location where heavy weapons were kept. and stored ammo

Agree with that, NG. Military possibly but most likely all were stored on bases. Not civies weapons!

 

[rightwinger]

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full
You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

rightwinger, the genie is out of the bottle and you aren't going to put it back in. I know you want all guns rounded up and disposed of but it just won't happen. So we do common sense gun regulations to minimize the body count. Harping that we all should turn in our firearms doesn't help anymore than fruitcake dave with his fruitcake "Unleash the Dogs of War" routine. So how about stay on point with common sense gun regulations with me and let's present a solid front to these sockos.

I don’t want a round up of guns. It is not practical and it is not necessary

I do want sensible gun control with the objective of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and crazies.

To do that, we need to know where the guns are coming from and track them from manufacture to destruction. It includes licensing, registration and background checks on ALL transfers of guns

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

rightwinger, the genie is out of the bottle and you aren't going to put it back in. I know you want all guns rounded up and disposed of but it just won't happen. So we do common sense gun regulations to minimize the body count. Harping that we all should turn in our firearms doesn't help anymore than fruitcake dave with his fruitcake "Unleash the Dogs of War" routine. So how about stay on point with common sense gun regulations with me and let's present a solid front to these sockos.

I don’t want a round up of guns. It is not practical and it is not necessary

I do want sensible gun control with the objective of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and crazies.

To do that, we need to know where the guns are coming from and track them from manufacture to destruction. It includes licensing, registration and background checks on ALL transfers of guns

Good luck with that
OH and shall not be infringed means what?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Daryl. Im gonna call major bullshit on that unless you can provide a substantial link. Never seen it, never heard of it.

I'm also betting all patriots said Fuh this, an still kept their weapons.

I'm 65, never heard of an armory where Civies kept their weapons. Why would they? Trust the govt? Yeah OK

The Armories was the location where heavy weapons were kept. and stored ammo

Agree with that, NG. Military possibly but most likely all were stored on bases. Not civies weapons!

I remember back in my home town at the armory they had a few tanks and artillery pieces and trucks

 

[rightwinger]

How can our well regulated militias be in good working order if we don’t know who is in the militia and what guns they have?

Constitution says we should train gun owners and know what kind of weapons they have. It is necessary to the security of a free state

Who is we? Were in the Constitution does it say anyone needs to be trained? Hint: Your analogy doesn't count.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not infringed

So you can run around shooting your gun up public?
Telling me no to shoot is infringing on my right to bear arms

Your need to feel safe does not Trump a persons RIGHT

You have no right to be protected from a background check or have unregistered weapons

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Who is we? Were in the Constitution does it say anyone needs to be trained? Hint: Your analogy doesn't count.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not infringed

So you can run around shooting your gun up public?
Telling me no to shoot is infringing on my right to bear arms

Your need to feel safe does not Trump a persons RIGHT

You have no right to be protected from a background check or have unregistered weapons

Shall not be infringed says I do have that right.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

rightwinger, the genie is out of the bottle and you aren't going to put it back in. I know you want all guns rounded up and disposed of but it just won't happen. So we do common sense gun regulations to minimize the body count. Harping that we all should turn in our firearms doesn't help anymore than fruitcake dave with his fruitcake "Unleash the Dogs of War" routine. So how about stay on point with common sense gun regulations with me and let's present a solid front to these sockos.

I don’t want a round up of guns. It is not practical and it is not necessary

I do want sensible gun control with the objective of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and crazies.

To do that, we need to know where the guns are coming from and track them from manufacture to destruction. It includes licensing, registration and background checks on ALL transfers of guns

Every Firearm manufactured is Registered at the factory. And every time it goes through a Licensed FFL dealer it gets recorded. What you want to do is to automatically link it to the buyer each and every time. That's Universal Gun Registration. I don't think that's going to fly. Fight the fights you have a chance of winning like Universal Background Checks and Red Flag laws. We win those and that's X number of bodies not left in a bloody mess that would otherwise be in the Morgue.

 

[Blues Man]

How can our well regulated militias be in good working order if we don’t know who is in the militia and what guns they have?

Constitution says we should train gun owners and know what kind of weapons they have. It is necessary to the security of a free state

Who is we? Were in the Constitution does it say anyone needs to be trained? Hint: Your analogy doesn't count.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not infringed

So you can run around shooting your gun up public?
Telling me no to shoot is infringing on my right to bear arms

No it is not

To bear does not mean to discharge it means to carry

 

[Blues Man]

Who is we? Were in the Constitution does it say anyone needs to be trained? Hint: Your analogy doesn't count.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not infringed

So you can run around shooting your gun up public?
Telling me no to shoot is infringing on my right to bear arms

Your need to feel safe does not Trump a persons RIGHT

You have no right to be protected from a background check or have unregistered weapons

I have the right to own property and the state does not need to know what that property is especially when I have a protected right to own that property

We already have laws that address all the things you are afraid of.

What we do not have is the intestinal fortitude to strictly enforce those laws.

Every time a person is caught illegally carrying a weapon he is committing a federal crime.
Every time a person uses a firearm unlawfully he is committing a federal crime.

We do not prosecute these gun crimes as federal crimes and in fact gun charges are some of the first to be bartered away in plea deals.

When the city of Richmond VA took it upon themselves to actually prosecute gun crimes as federal crimes and the federal courts actually handed out long stints in federal prison guess what happened.

Gun crime and murder rates dropped precipitously

The laws you want are nothing but administrative and record keeping requirements which will do a whole lot of nothing to actually get criminals off the streets

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don’t want a round up of guns. It is not practical and it is not necessary

I do want sensible gun control with the objective of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and crazies.

To do that, we need to know where the guns are coming from and track them from manufacture to destruction. It includes licensing, registration and background checks on ALL transfers of guns

No you don't. If you wanted sensible gun control you'd close the southern border. You want tyrannical citizen control.

We understand what you want.

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” - Ayn Rand

 

[Uncensored2008]

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You have no right to be protected from a background check or have unregistered weapons

Nor right to speak unregistered words? An armed populace is a threat to tyranny.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You have no right to be protected from a background check or have unregistered weapons

Shall not be infringed says I do have that right.

Thugs and tyrants like shitflinger cannot end rights, they can only infringe. If through terrorism and force of violence vermin like shitflinger disarm you. they have infringed and violated your rights, but the right still exists.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

rightwinger, the genie is out of the bottle and you aren't going to put it back in. I know you want all guns rounded up and disposed of but it just won't happen. So we do common sense gun regulations to minimize the body count. Harping that we all should turn in our firearms doesn't help anymore than fruitcake dave with his fruitcake "Unleash the Dogs of War" routine. So how about stay on point with common sense gun regulations with me and let's present a solid front to these sockos.

I don’t want a round up of guns. It is not practical and it is not necessary

I do want sensible gun control with the objective of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and crazies.

To do that, we need to know where the guns are coming from and track them from manufacture to destruction. It includes licensing, registration and background checks on ALL transfers of guns

Every Firearm manufactured is Registered at the factory. And every time it goes through a Licensed FFL dealer it gets recorded. What you want to do is to automatically link it to the buyer each and every time. That's Universal Gun Registration. I don't think that's going to fly. Fight the fights you have a chance of winning like Universal Background Checks and Red Flag laws. We win those and that's X number of bodies not left in a bloody mess that would otherwise be in the Morgue.

And the 300 million guns already in the hands of free people, how will you deal with those, Adolf? What of the thousands of Chinese guns coming over the Southern border each day? How will you thugs deal with those?

 

[Leo123]

So you can run around shooting your gun up public?
Telling me no to shoot is infringing on my right to bear arms

It is against the law to 'run around' and shoot up the public even with a legally registered firearm. No, telling you not to shoot up the public is a matter of law. Telling you that you can own a gun and not shoot it is a violation of the 2nd amendment and a ******* stupid thing to say, if that's what you mean, your syntax is wanting in this post..

 

[Uncensored2008]

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I have the right to own property and the state does not need to know what that property is especially when I have a protected right to own that property

We already have laws that address all the things you are afraid of.

What we do not have is the intestinal fortitude to strictly enforce those laws.

Every time a person is caught illegally carrying a weapon he is committing a federal crime.
Every time a person uses a firearm unlawfully he is committing a federal crime.

We do not prosecute these gun crimes as federal crimes and in fact gun charges are some of the first to be bartered away in plea deals.

When the city of Richmond VA took it upon themselves to actually prosecute gun crimes as federal crimes and the federal courts actually handed out long stints in federal prison guess what happened.

Gun crime and murder rates dropped precipitously

The laws you want are nothing but administrative and record keeping requirements which will do a whole lot of nothing to actually get criminals off the streets

The LAST thing the left wants is to get criminals off the street. Gun control is meant to make the public defenseless and dependant on the rulers for protection from the criminal caste that the rulers support and promote.

For thousands of years, the nobility offered supposed protection to the peasants in exchange for voluntary slavery by the peasants. The goal of the democrats is to return to that arrangement. An armed man who can defend himself and his family will not bow and submit to rulers - the democrats are determined to put and end to these free men.

 

[2aguy]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not infringed

So you can run around shooting your gun up public?
Telling me no to shoot is infringing on my right to bear arms

Your need to feel safe does not Trump a persons RIGHT

You have no right to be protected from a background check or have unregistered weapons

I have the right to own property and the state does not need to know what that property is especially when I have a protected right to own that property

We already have laws that address all the things you are afraid of.

What we do not have is the intestinal fortitude to strictly enforce those laws.

Every time a person is caught illegally carrying a weapon he is committing a federal crime.
Every time a person uses a firearm unlawfully he is committing a federal crime.

We do not prosecute these gun crimes as federal crimes and in fact gun charges are some of the first to be bartered away in plea deals.

When the city of Richmond VA took it upon themselves to actually prosecute gun crimes as federal crimes and the federal courts actually handed out long stints in federal prison guess what happened.

Gun crime and murder rates dropped precipitously

The laws you want are nothing but administrative and record keeping requirements which will do a whole lot of nothing to actually get criminals off the streets

Exactly.....

 

[Blues Man]

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I have the right to own property and the state does not need to know what that property is especially when I have a protected right to own that property

We already have laws that address all the things you are afraid of.

What we do not have is the intestinal fortitude to strictly enforce those laws.

Every time a person is caught illegally carrying a weapon he is committing a federal crime.
Every time a person uses a firearm unlawfully he is committing a federal crime.

We do not prosecute these gun crimes as federal crimes and in fact gun charges are some of the first to be bartered away in plea deals.

When the city of Richmond VA took it upon themselves to actually prosecute gun crimes as federal crimes and the federal courts actually handed out long stints in federal prison guess what happened.

Gun crime and murder rates dropped precipitously

The laws you want are nothing but administrative and record keeping requirements which will do a whole lot of nothing to actually get criminals off the streets

The LAST thing the left wants is to get criminals off the street. Gun control is meant to make the public defenseless and dependant on the rulers for protection from the criminal caste that the rulers support and promote.

For thousands of years, the nobility offered supposed protection to the peasants in exchange for voluntary slavery by the peasants. The goal of the democrats is to return to that arrangement. An armed man who can defend himself and his family will not bow and submit to rulers - the democrats are determined to put and end to these free men.

Yeah make it harder for law abiding people to protect their homes and families while at the same time the Supreme Court has ruled that no police department has any legal obligation to come to the aid of any citizen.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I don’t want a round up of guns. It is not practical and it is not necessary

I do want sensible gun control with the objective of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and crazies.

To do that, we need to know where the guns are coming from and track them from manufacture to destruction. It includes licensing, registration and background checks on ALL transfers of guns

No you don't. If you wanted sensible gun control you'd close the southern border. You want tyrannical citizen control.

We understand what you want.

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” - Ayn Rand

So you think the closing of the southern border cures the gun problem. While we are at it, let's close the border tight to get rid of cancer, poverty, and every strife in the United States. I just love your reasoning. But if it's proven that you are right then I say we can't afford not to completely isolate the border. Otherwise.......

 

[Daryl Hunt]

[

I have the right to own property and the state does not need to know what that property is especially when I have a protected right to own that property

We already have laws that address all the things you are afraid of.

What we do not have is the intestinal fortitude to strictly enforce those laws.

Every time a person is caught illegally carrying a weapon he is committing a federal crime.
Every time a person uses a firearm unlawfully he is committing a federal crime.

We do not prosecute these gun crimes as federal crimes and in fact gun charges are some of the first to be bartered away in plea deals.

When the city of Richmond VA took it upon themselves to actually prosecute gun crimes as federal crimes and the federal courts actually handed out long stints in federal prison guess what happened.

Gun crime and murder rates dropped precipitously

The laws you want are nothing but administrative and record keeping requirements which will do a whole lot of nothing to actually get criminals off the streets

The LAST thing the left wants is to get criminals off the street. Gun control is meant to make the public defenseless and dependant on the rulers for protection from the criminal caste that the rulers support and promote.

For thousands of years, the nobility offered supposed protection to the peasants in exchange for voluntary slavery by the peasants. The goal of the democrats is to return to that arrangement. An armed man who can defend himself and his family will not bow and submit to rulers - the democrats are determined to put and end to these free men.

So you are speaking for everyone else. Wow, that tells me loads. Are you telling me that I am a Leftie? Are you telling me that I want to release all criminals from Prisons? Are you going to use the extra space to house Illegals and DACA people?

My goal is to be that loan voice in the forest that speaks with common sense. And you can hear me. Us Moderates are starting speak out. That should scare the living crap out of you.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

rightwinger, the genie is out of the bottle and you aren't going to put it back in. I know you want all guns rounded up and disposed of but it just won't happen. So we do common sense gun regulations to minimize the body count. Harping that we all should turn in our firearms doesn't help anymore than fruitcake dave with his fruitcake "Unleash the Dogs of War" routine. So how about stay on point with common sense gun regulations with me and let's present a solid front to these sockos.

I don’t want a round up of guns. It is not practical and it is not necessary

I do want sensible gun control with the objective of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and crazies.

To do that, we need to know where the guns are coming from and track them from manufacture to destruction. It includes licensing, registration and background checks on ALL transfers of guns

Every Firearm manufactured is Registered at the factory. And every time it goes through a Licensed FFL dealer it gets recorded. What you want to do is to automatically link it to the buyer each and every time. That's Universal Gun Registration. I don't think that's going to fly. Fight the fights you have a chance of winning like Universal Background Checks and Red Flag laws. We win those and that's X number of bodies not left in a bloody mess that would otherwise be in the Morgue.

And the 300 million guns already in the hands of free people, how will you deal with those, Adolf? What of the thousands of Chinese guns coming over the Southern border each day? How will you thugs deal with those?

Adolf never took the guns from what he termed the Good German Citizens. Like you, he did take the guns from the ones he deemed as not good German Citizens. And like you, Adolf was a ultrarightwingnutjob. If you want to do a good and proper slight, use Stalin instead. That might be more applicable for the insult. Damn, you didn't learn a damned thing in History Classes. You must be a member of the Party of the Rump.