Are the numerous dog breeds proof of evolution?

[sealybobo]

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Clinton river trail is 16 miles. Paint creek trail is 9 miles. That’s 25 one way. Plus any turn off we check out. In the end it’s 30 miles max each way. That’s all two batteries will do. We go ten miles an hour so I’m peddling at least 6 of those 9 hours.

 

[Dusty]

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

I’m sure a deer would get use to a gsp. My dog might keep barking and annoy them but yours will just stop and point if they turn around. That’s what your dog does. So why would a deer be afraid of that? Any off leash dog in that park clearly isn’t making those deer afraid. And gsp is a fairly common dog.

Again, you said it’s sad I use a dog to find my deer. Isn’t it lame for you to have your gsp retrieve your bird? Get it yourself. Lol

I still like my photos better

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

You’re the guy who goes and buys fatty cow meat rather Than shoot free range lean venison meat.

I am also the guy who does a 50 mile bike ride before breakfast

I do too with my ebike

Ebikes are perfect for heart patients.

We love them. How old are you? Most people don’t go 60 miles on a regular bike. Do you have one of those really fast expensive ten speed Type bikes?

I am not nor have I ever been most people. Ebikes are for retards, the only person that you are cheating is yourself.

My idol is Bobbe Greenberg who won the ironman at 73 years old

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2019/10/09/this-grandma-learned-swim-her-s-now-shes-returning-ironman-triathlon-champion/

I came home yesterday exhausted after 9 hour bike ride. If i didn’t have an ebike I’d go zero miles. So I’m not cheating myself. I peddled the entire time. Got my heart rate up. If I didn’t hav3 an ebike I’d be home watching tv.

My buddy has a thrattle. He doesn’t peddle. He’s cheating himself yes. Me I’m just getting a boost from the battery. I have to peddle.

I don’t know how you can go 60 miles before breakfast. I almost want to call bullshit.

Only did 42 miles today. And for the record no ebike would last 9 hours, I just Googled it so as usual you just make stuff up as you go. You are actually stupid enough to work for the FBI.

Sheesh

Correct. I have two batteries. Paid $500 for the extra battery.

Retard alert, tell us how you carry the extra battery in your left pants pocket. Grow up already. Perhaps you need a GSP to teach you how to really exercise

I love how you keep thinking you’ve caught me in a lie.

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So are you senile or retarded?

Why? One battery wasn’t enough. I actually wish I could carry a third.

Actually, I can’t wait for the technology to get better. Battery that lasts longer. Can’t wait. Plus I wish I had a throttle. And I’ve seen some go really fast. Yes I’ve run into guys on the bike paths who build and sell them. One guy had three batteries and his looked like he was going 40 mph.

Now I suppose you’ll find something I said that is hard for you to believe. Lol

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Why do you cheat yourself?

I would have never purchased a regular bike. The E gets me out. No E no me.

Great motto for a loser. LOL if you get a couple more batteries you could go for 24 hours

The only reason I don’t buy another battery is because when the second battery is out of juice so am I.

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

 

[Dusty]

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Clinton river trail is 16 miles. Paint creek trail is 9 miles. That’s 25 one way. Plus any turn off we check out. In the end it’s 30 miles max each way. That’s all two batteries will do. We go ten miles an hour so I’m peddling at least 6 of those 9 hours.

Shit you ought to be training Navy Seal teams.

PS At the pace I did today that 60 mile distance would take me almost 4 hours. With no retard ebike

 

[Dusty]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Actually my bike would be legal in the Tour De France, yours would be legal in the Tour De Oreo

A Shimano 105 gearset is actually 22 speeds.

Just sayin

 

[Dusty]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Clinton river trail is 16 miles. Paint creek trail is 9 miles. That’s 25 one way. Plus any turn off we check out. In the end it’s 30 miles max each way. That’s all two batteries will do. We go ten miles an hour so I’m peddling at least 6 of those 9 hours.

Ok, now I am not a nuclear engineer or anything, but 10mph * 9hours comes out to precisely 90 miles, so I think you might want to brush up on your times tables or stop the BS. I have my speed electronically mapped in at least two formats along with elevation and heartrate

 

[Dusty]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Come back when your 9 hour ebike ride is over, or use your mobile keyboard while you ride. Bye the way the human body will not do a 9 hour ride without food so do you stop for KFC or Wendy's on the way?

 

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Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Actually my bike would be legal in the Tour De France, yours would be legal in the Tour De Oreo

A Shimano 105 gearset is actually 22 speeds.

Just sayin

Pussy. You're cheating. Get on the ebike that fat ass is on in the pic and see if you can do that. You can't. You have one of those super light bikes with super thin tires that has 22 speeds. A lard ass could do 50 miles with one of those bikes. I can go just about 60 miles so I can go further than you. Here is when it will matter. I'm going to take this trail from Gaylor to Mackinaw. 66 miles. It will take me two trips because I can only go 30 miles up and 30 miles back. So we will do half the trip one weekend and the other half another weekend. It would take you 3 trips.

OH WAIT, it's loose gravel. You can't go with your bike. You have to stay on the road. Another reason I wouldn't take your bike even if you gave it to me for free. Plus super uncomfortable.

 

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Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Come back when your 9 hour ebike ride is over, or use your mobile keyboard while you ride. Bye the way the human body will not do a 9 hour ride without food so do you stop for KFC or Wendy's on the way?

Oh we stop for food. It's part of the experience. We have one friend who complains that he doesn't want to stop for food just grab something and let's go so we told him to fuck off.

Restaurants need to know how much Ebikes help their business'. We're out enjoying ourselves not training for the tour de faggots.

Yesterday we found a shorter way to Mayberry Park. It should only be 5 miles from me but you can't take a bike that way without getting on a very busy road. So we found a back way in. Takes a lot more miles but we don't care and once we are in Mayberry the park is like a huge winding driveway that only bikes and walkers can go on. It goes from 7 to 8 mile and seems to go a mile or two back. So cool to find these new places we had no clue about before we got these ebikes.

Again, I wouldn't ride your 22 speed all the places we go. You'll pop a tire. So you have to stick to the roads with the cars. I see bikers like you. They don't even like sidewalks. Too bumby they say. Fuck that. Gay,

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Clinton river trail is 16 miles. Paint creek trail is 9 miles. That’s 25 one way. Plus any turn off we check out. In the end it’s 30 miles max each way. That’s all two batteries will do. We go ten miles an hour so I’m peddling at least 6 of those 9 hours.

Ok, now I am not a nuclear engineer or anything, but 10mph * 9hours comes out to precisely 90 miles, so I think you might want to brush up on your times tables or stop the BS. I have my speed electronically mapped in at least two formats along with elevation and heartrate

Hey stupid, I fucking told you we stop A LOT. To smoke weed, to take in the views, to get a drink, or to stop for food. We ride 50-60 miles.

Yesterday I had to switch the battery out but I almost made it home on one battery. We didn't go that far.

I told my friends about you. Thinking I'm lying about this trivial shit. They all ask, "why the fuck do you talk to such a loser?"

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Actually my bike would be legal in the Tour De France, yours would be legal in the Tour De Oreo

A Shimano 105 gearset is actually 22 speeds.

Just sayin

Pussy. You're cheating. Get on the ebike that fat ass is on in the pic and see if you can do that. You can't. You have one of those super light bikes with super thin tires that has 22 speeds. A lard ass could do 50 miles with one of those bikes. I can go just about 60 miles so I can go further than you. Here is when it will matter. I'm going to take this trail from Gaylor to Mackinaw. 66 miles. It will take me two trips because I can only go 30 miles up and 30 miles back. So we will do half the trip one weekend and the other half another weekend. It would take you 3 trips.

OH WAIT, it's loose gravel. You can't go with your bike. You have to stay on the road. Another reason I wouldn't take your bike even if you gave it to me for free. Plus super uncomfortable.

So is everyone in the Tour de Oreo a doof or are you just special? Are there ebike competitions, you know like fattest entry or perhaps there is an ebike hot dog eating contest or even whoever eats the most donuts without puking wins.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[sealybobo]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Actually my bike would be legal in the Tour De France, yours would be legal in the Tour De Oreo

A Shimano 105 gearset is actually 22 speeds.

Just sayin

Pussy. You're cheating. Get on the ebike that fat ass is on in the pic and see if you can do that. You can't. You have one of those super light bikes with super thin tires that has 22 speeds. A lard ass could do 50 miles with one of those bikes. I can go just about 60 miles so I can go further than you. Here is when it will matter. I'm going to take this trail from Gaylor to Mackinaw. 66 miles. It will take me two trips because I can only go 30 miles up and 30 miles back. So we will do half the trip one weekend and the other half another weekend. It would take you 3 trips.

OH WAIT, it's loose gravel. You can't go with your bike. You have to stay on the road. Another reason I wouldn't take your bike even if you gave it to me for free. Plus super uncomfortable.

So is everyone in the Tour de Oreo a doof or are you just special? Are there ebike competitions, you know like fattest entry or perhaps there is an ebike hot dog eating contest or even whoever eats the most donuts without puking wins.

My buddy would win. He has a Tower Bike. His battery goes 5 miles more than mine and he doesn't peddle hardly ever. He has a throttle I don't. I have to peddle.

To do it right it will cost you at least $2500 to have a ebike. So not everyone can afford to be in my biker gang.

You however,
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Now I know there are expensive ones and you'll claim you have one but I'll bet you picked your shitter up in a garage sale.

 

[sealybobo]

Dusty will tell you a GSP is better at this than that dog watch.

 

[Dusty]

Great now all the sheep that were in the safe sheep pen are on the road in danger of being run down.

Stellar job

 

[Dusty]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Actually my bike would be legal in the Tour De France, yours would be legal in the Tour De Oreo

A Shimano 105 gearset is actually 22 speeds.

Just sayin

Pussy. You're cheating. Get on the ebike that fat ass is on in the pic and see if you can do that. You can't. You have one of those super light bikes with super thin tires that has 22 speeds. A lard ass could do 50 miles with one of those bikes. I can go just about 60 miles so I can go further than you. Here is when it will matter. I'm going to take this trail from Gaylor to Mackinaw. 66 miles. It will take me two trips because I can only go 30 miles up and 30 miles back. So we will do half the trip one weekend and the other half another weekend. It would take you 3 trips.

OH WAIT, it's loose gravel. You can't go with your bike. You have to stay on the road. Another reason I wouldn't take your bike even if you gave it to me for free. Plus super uncomfortable.

So is everyone in the Tour de Oreo a doof or are you just special? Are there ebike competitions, you know like fattest entry or perhaps there is an ebike hot dog eating contest or even whoever eats the most donuts without puking wins.

My buddy would win. He has a Tower Bike. His battery goes 5 miles more than mine and he doesn't peddle hardly ever. He has a throttle I don't. I have to peddle.

To do it right it will cost you at least $2500 to have a ebike. So not everyone can afford to be in my biker gang.

You however,
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Now I know there are expensive ones and you'll claim you have one but I'll bet you picked your shitter up in a garage sale.

Cardiologist love you and hate me...........................

So what is your vo2max? What is the vam on your tricycle?

LOL my bike does not do anything

I do it all

Now I may like retards but I really love you

 

[sealybobo]

Great now all the sheep that were in the safe sheep pen are on the road in danger of being run down.

Stellar job

Now I see you're just a shit disturber. You just like pushing people's buttons.

GSP is not a good deer tracker. Why? Because one second it's chasing a raccoon smell, then a rabbit, then a coyote, then a possum. My dog focus' on the blood and deer. But you wouldn't know because you've never gone out with a PBGV.

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[Dusty]

Great now all the sheep that were in the safe sheep pen are on the road in danger of being run down.

Stellar job

Now I see you're just a shit disturber. You just like pushing people's buttons.

GSP is not a good deer tracker. Why? Because one second it's chasing a raccoon smell, then a rabbit, then a coyote, then a possum. My dog focus' on the blood and deer. But you wouldn't know because you've never gone out with a PBGV.

Petit Basset Griffon Vendéen Dog Breed Information

Right breed for you? Petit Basset Griffon Vendéen information including personality, history, grooming, pictures, videos, and the AKC breed standard.

www.akc.org

Again kid you are not capable of understanding that putting a GSP on a track is just not possible, because they are already doing that before you can think. Every GSP owner understands this fully, you with Benji are an also ran before the start if there is any GSP present. But you shoot a deer so it is dead and can not move and you pretend that this makes your mutt a great hunting dog when it catches up to the dead deer with it's short legs.

Yo I got a nice photo yesterday

 

[sealybobo]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear

Most run but some turn and face him and he knows to back off. Then he turns into a barker instead of a chaser

LOL the liar, lies on. No deer will turn and face a dog no matter how small because in the deer's mind the small dog is a pup that has a pack around the corner. I have seen deer scared shitless of a 10lb pup, you are bullshitting your way thru life

So funny you telling me my experiences aren’t real.

If it was during rut a buck is not afraid of one littl Barry dog.

There wer3 a bunch of deer. It’s in a park where the dee4 don’t hav3 a feat of humans. My dog chased them across the field but then they got to the wood line and they all turned and were like fuck this we ain’t running from that little shit.

This happened several times but only one place. A park near my home.

My brother also has weird stories about th3 things he’s seen his city deer do.

The more you talk the more I realize how little you actually know. You only know what you know and you think because you’ve never had the experience then it must not be true.

Up north I agree on th3 property if I let my dog out he caphases the deer into the woods. They all run away. But then he comes back in and eventually they all come back out. Youd be surprised what deer can get used to.

You are a know it all but you don’t know everything.

No buck in rut or otherwise will not run from a GSP, you are just making up what you think is logical as you go.

I’m telling you my dog chased the deer at gunner metallic park across the field and when they got to 5he woods they turned and faced him. Fuck you calling me a liar. I’m starting to get insulted. Fuck you bitch. Why the duck would I lie to your little pussy ass? About this? Why are you such an arrogan5 douchbag krunt? Just because you’ve never seen a deer do this behavior doesn’t mean I’m lying. Eat a gsp dick

Perhaps the deer was giving shorty time to catch up. Again whitetail do not see dogs, they see what wants to eat them and genetic programming that can not be altered puts them in flight. Nice story though.

I don’t suppose you’d believe your own eyes would you?



That would mean admitting you were wrong

Don't see a GSP? in the photo.

You said you didn’t believe this happened to my dog. You know I don’t have a gsp. So what’s your point? You called me a liar because I said this happened to me. Now you want to move the goalpost I see.

Dude a flea is faster than your dog.

I know but he is so cute. Love him! He’s perfect for me.

LOL do you have short legs too

Tell us more about your 9 hour ebike rides. Such as what do you eat and drink? Do you stop at Dunkin Donuts for a quick dozen bavarian cremes

Why would I give you any more ammo. You’re clearly looking for some. Sorry you haven’t found anything yet.

Good for him.

Do you have gears on your bike? Why do you ever lower them? Why do you cheat? And why don’t you buy a heavier bike? I bet you ride one of those lightweight ten speeds. Those go faster than our bikes. That’s cheating. Too light and fast. Get a shittier bike then you’ll b3 a stud

Actually my bike would be legal in the Tour De France, yours would be legal in the Tour De Oreo

A Shimano 105 gearset is actually 22 speeds.

Just sayin

Pussy. You're cheating. Get on the ebike that fat ass is on in the pic and see if you can do that. You can't. You have one of those super light bikes with super thin tires that has 22 speeds. A lard ass could do 50 miles with one of those bikes. I can go just about 60 miles so I can go further than you. Here is when it will matter. I'm going to take this trail from Gaylor to Mackinaw. 66 miles. It will take me two trips because I can only go 30 miles up and 30 miles back. So we will do half the trip one weekend and the other half another weekend. It would take you 3 trips.

OH WAIT, it's loose gravel. You can't go with your bike. You have to stay on the road. Another reason I wouldn't take your bike even if you gave it to me for free. Plus super uncomfortable.

So is everyone in the Tour de Oreo a doof or are you just special? Are there ebike competitions, you know like fattest entry or perhaps there is an ebike hot dog eating contest or even whoever eats the most donuts without puking wins.

My buddy would win. He has a Tower Bike. His battery goes 5 miles more than mine and he doesn't peddle hardly ever. He has a throttle I don't. I have to peddle.

To do it right it will cost you at least $2500 to have a ebike. So not everyone can afford to be in my biker gang.

You however,
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Now I know there are expensive ones and you'll claim you have one but I'll bet you picked your shitter up in a garage sale.

Cardiologist love you and hate me...........................

So what is your vo2max? What is the vam on your tricycle?

LOL my bike does not do anything

I do it all

Now I may like retards but I really love you

Are you kidding me? You have 22 gears. That bike does everything for you. Try riding that big wheel 50 miles. You can't? Why? What's the difference between that big wheel and your bike? Cheater.

Cardiologists love people who sit at home and don't go out and peddle for 60 miles.

I don't want to end up the way you are going to be

In 2017, the couple embarked on the STP, a two-day ride from Seattle to Portland. On the first day, Will felt great. But the next morning, shortly into their ride, he was overcome by exhaustion and couldn’t catch his breath(link opens in new window)(link opens in new window).

This had happened before while training; he suspected sports-induced asthma and urged Denise to ride ahead. But when she went back for him a few minutes later, Will was lying on the ground surrounded by a group of bikers. His skin was blue, and he was gasping for breath.

Fortunately, Madeline Dahl, a then-24-year-old cardiac nurse from Seattle who was riding the STP with her father, arrived upon the scene. When she couldn’t find Will’s pulse, she began giving chest compressions.

He had cardiac arrest trying to do too much. How old are you? I'm 50.