Are the Mods aware aspects of USMB have become like Stormfront

[IM2]

This was written 5 years ago. Some of Netanyahus own Generals saw this coming.

Why Israel’s Generals Are Taking on Netanyahu​

by Neri Zilber
Jul 2, 2019

Almost all of them believe the prime minister is destroying the country's democratic values and sacrificing the Zionist dream by avoiding a two-state solution.
After six years away, Ehud Barak, Israel’s most decorated soldier and a former prime minister, last week made a dramatic return to political life ahead of September’s repeat election. Barak is hardly alone. In recent months, a slew of ex-generals and former heads of the Israel Defense Forces have entered politics with one common goal in mind: ousting corruption-plagued Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. And, for some of them, the broader goal is saving Israel’s future as a Jewish and democratic state by separating from the Palestinians.

“The future of the Zionist movement is on the line here,” Barak, who served as prime minister from 1999 to 2001, declared at the launch of his as-yet-unnamed political party. At the side of the 77-year-old former general was another retired officer who previously served as the IDF’s deputy chief of staff, Yair Golan.

Call it the brass revolt. With Netanyahu in deep political trouble after his failure in May to pull together a new government following a squeak-through election victory, the officers-cum-politicians hope to succeed this time where they have failed before. But they likely face an uphill campaign: Despite the near total mobilization of Israel’s security establishment against him in recent years, Netanyahu keeps winning.

Playing on his own image as “Mr. Security,” the long-serving premier has paid lip service to the idea of peace while in effect mothballing any steps toward resolving the conflict. Lately he has even begun voicing support for annexing swaths of the West Bank, a move that could doom prospects for a negotiated two-state solution. Netanyahu knows, like few Israeli politicians before him, how to pander to his right-wing base and keep supporters loyal—no matter the long-term damage to institutions that push back, like the judiciary, media, and in some cases even the army.

Yet it’s not just the very top echelon of Israel’s security establishment that thinks such policies are self-destructive. Nearly 300 retired officers from the army, police, Shin Bet security service, and Mossad spy agency with the rank of brigadier general (or its equivalent) and up have joined Commanders for Israel’s Security, a movement established in 2014 that calls for preserving the future option of a two-state solution. “The illusion of a status quo, and the current stalemate are detrimental to Israel’s security, wellbeing and character as a Jewish democracy,” its platform says.

Why Israel’s Generals Are Taking on Netanyahu

Almost all of them believe the prime minister is destroying the country's democratic values and sacrificing the Zionist dream by avoiding a two-state solution.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Ate these former high ranking Israeli military officials pushing anti semitic tropes?

Or is the claim of anti semitsm being used here in an attempt to silence the opposition to what's being done?

 

[Crepitus]

You Hamas groupies are a hoot.

Can't stand hamas. My problem is with the indiscriminate killing of women and children.

Yours should be too.

 

[Lisa558]

It will not, during this latest round of military combat operations by Israel, against the organization in Gaza that perpetrated a true, genocidal sneak attack against Israel, almost a year ago.

And that’s the irony of the whole thing. The only genocidal attack was done by the HAMAS savages on Oct 7th. The fact that 99.5% of all Palestinians remain alive a year after shows the moral fortitude and restraint of Israel.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

I will preface this by saying I have never actually visited Stormfront and know of its existence only from the leftists here.

That said, much of the Israel/Palestine subforum has become a platform for Jew-haters to spread antisemitic propaganda, most notably the blood libel of “genocide” and comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany, in an effort to spread Jew-hate. Both of these meet the standard of antisemitism, according to the definition accepted by the U.S. State Department and 150 other developed countries.

The most recent line of attack is that Israel is now committing a “genocide” in Lebanon. Are we to expect that when Islamic terrorists launch a big rocket attack or are about to do so, and Israel hits back, that the antisemites will call it a genocide?

If USMB has decided to provide a platform by which to allow antisemites to advance lies to increase contempt for Jews, well….its a private board and can do as the owner pleases. But let’s admit that this is what the I/P forum has devolved to.

Show one poster saying Jews are inferior to non Jews. Otherwise you’re just engaging in BLM tactics crying racism when it doesn’t exist.

Debating the conflict in Gaza has nothing to do with someone being anti Jewish . Unless you can actually show somebody saying Jews are inferior. Btw Arab Muslims are semites the proper word you’re thinking of is anti-Jewish it’s not anti-Semite . But I digress there because the media also plays a role on that issue.

But yes, you have to prove it. Show specific examples of any posters saying Jews are inferior or Jews are attempting to take over the world. Lisa, you have to do this. You’re better than this. People can criticize Israel all they want people could even call Israel a Nazi state without being anti-Jewish. You don’t get to invent or define what racism is. There’s already dictionary definitions for this.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Can't stand hamas. My problem is with the indiscriminate killing of women and children.

Yours should be too.

Bullshit on both accounts.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The anti Jews here are nothing like Stormfront. Here, they are for pure islamic domination. It's not so much Jew hate, it's Jew hate as a religious obligation and find the excuses later.

 

[Crepitus]

Which is certainly not now.

Except that is clearly is.

 

[Crepitus]

Bullshit on both accounts.

For a dogmaphobe you sure do seem committed to it.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

I will preface this by saying I have never actually visited Stormfront and know of its existence only from the leftists here.

That said, much of the Israel/Palestine subforum has become a platform for Jew-haters to spread antisemitic propaganda, most notably the blood libel of “genocide” and comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany, in an effort to spread Jew-hate. Both of these meet the standard of antisemitism, according to the definition accepted by the U.S. State Department and 150 other developed countries.

The most recent line of attack is that Israel is now committing a “genocide” in Lebanon. Are we to expect that when Islamic terrorists launch a big rocket attack or are about to do so, and Israel hits back, that the antisemites will call it a genocide?

If USMB has decided to provide a platform by which to allow antisemites to advance lies to increase contempt for Jews, well….its a private board and can do as the owner pleases. But let’s admit that this is what the I/P forum has devolved to.

No Lisa anti-Jewish behavior is simply when somebody says Jews are inferior to non-Jews or Jews are trying to take over the world.

The recent Bill in Congress to redefine what antisemitism is ridiculous. Congressman Thomas Massie called this out so did Marjorie Taylor Green. You don’t get to define what racism is. That’s a coward way out. It is literally BLM tactics. And that’s what BLM does. They attempt to redefine what racism is.

I refuse in conversations like this to debate the Israel Palestine conflict. This is about you calling people anti-Jewish with no evidence to back up.

 

[Lisa558]

Show one poster saying Jews are inferior to non Jews. Otherwise you’re just engaging in BLM tactics crying racism when it doesn’t exist.

Debating the conflict in Gaza has nothing to do with someone being anti Jewish . Unless you can actually show somebody saying Jews are inferior. Btw Arab Muslims are semites the proper word you’re thinking of is anti-Jewish it’s not anti-Semite . But I digress there because the media also plays a role on that issue.

But yes, you have to prove it. Show specific examples of any posters saying Jews are inferior or Jews are attempting to take over the world. Lisa, you have to do this. You’re better than this. People can criticize Israel all they want people could even call Israel a Nazi state without being anti-Jewish. You don’t get to invent or define what racism is. There’s already dictionary definitions for this.

GMAB. We have posters comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, lying about a “genocide,” just one a few minutes ago saying he wants to see “the most cursed and despised people vanquished,” erc., etc.

And yes, there IS A definition of what antisemitism is, according to the U.S. State Department. The above examples meet it.

And no….you cannot call Israel “a Nazi state” and then insist it’s not antidemitic. YOU don’t get to make up definitions, either.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

GMAB. We have posters comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, lying about a “genocide,” just one a few minutes ago saying he wants to see “the most cursed and despised people vanquished,” erc., etc.

And yes, there IS A definition of what antisemitism is, according to the U.S. State Department. The above examples meet it.

And no….you cannot call Israel “a Nazi state” and then insist it’s not antidemitic. YOU don’t get to make up definitions, either.

No Lisa now you’re ignoring key points. There was a recent bill in Congress to redefine what antisemitism is. The state department went along with that. It’s complete nonsense. Calling Israel a Nazi state is perhaps a level of harsh criticism, but it is not anti-Jewish behavior. you don’t see that you’re acting like a BLM supporter calling people racist with no evidence to back it up.

If people say that Jews are the most vile people then yes that’s anti-Jewish behavior. But you don’t define what antisemitism is and you cannot redefine it to include “somebody saying Israel is like Nazi Germany is anti-Semitic”. Doesn’t work like that.

 

[Lisa558]

No Lisa anti-Jewish behavior is simply when somebody says Jews are inferior to non-Jews or Jews are trying to take over the world.

The recent Bill in Congress to redefine what antisemitism is ridiculous. Congressman Thomas Massie called this out so did Marjorie Taylor Green. You don’t get to define what racism is. That’s a coward way out. It is literally BLM tactics. And that’s what BLM does. They attempt to redefine what racism is.

I refuse in conversations like this to debate the Israel Palestine conflict. This is about you calling people anti-Jewish with no evidence to back up.

NO, that is not what antisemitism is. Antisemitism is laid out in the definition provided by the State Department, and also followed by 150 other countries.

Why is it that so much venom is allowed toward Jews, with excuses that unless you say a specific outlandish thing, it’s not antisemitic….and yet an Aunt Jemima logo is offensive to blacks and thus deemed racist?

This is a BIG double standard when it comes to Jews and antisemitism. Tip-toe around ANYTHING that could be perceived as offensive to blacks, and yet feel entitled to lie about genocide to make Jews look as bad as possible and increase contempt for them.

 

[IM2]

It will not, during this latest round of military combat operations by Israel, against the organization in Gaza that perpetrated a true, genocidal sneak attack against Israel, almost a year ago.

It wasn't exactly a sneak attack white 6. Netanyahu was warned by his military that Hamas was planning an attack. He ignored it.

New Evidence Reveals IDF Had Detailed Prior Knowledge of Hamas Plan to Raid Israel

A newly surfaced document reveals that Israel Defense Forces and Israeli intelligence systems had detailed knowledge of Hamas' plan to raid Israel, including the number of hostages to be taken and specific instructions for their treatment while in captivity.

According to a Monday night report presented by Israel's public broadcaster, Kan, the document, which is based on information from military intelligence's 8200 Unit, began circulating on September 19, less than three weeks before the October 7 massacre.

The unnamed sources who provided Kan with the document, also claim its contents were brought to the attention of at least some senior intelligence officials but apparently ignored. The memo highlights the extent to which the IDF's Gaza Division was aware of a potential attack on Israel's southern border communities.

The document, titled "Detailed End-to-End Raid Training," goes into startling detail, beginning with a description of a series of exercises conducted by Hamas' elite Nukhba units in the weeks prior to its publication. "At 11 A.M., several companies were observed converging at the beginning of the training sessions, not before prayer and lunch," the memo recounts.

One of the most shocking sections of the IDF report involves instructions relating to the taking of hostages, the number of which is estimated to be between 200-250, alarmingly close to the actual 251 men, women, and children taken captive by Hamas.

Report: New evidence reveals IDF had detailed prior knowledge of Hamas plan to raid Israel

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www.haaretz.com

Netanyahu Was Warned Twice About Hamas Attack Months Ago, Ignored Both Warnings: Report​

Ahead of the deadly October 7 terrorist attack on Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was personally warned, twice, that Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran desired to attack his nation, according to a report, despite repeated claims from the Israeli leader that no such warnings took place.

In two letters, the head of the research division in Israel’s Intelligence Division Lt. Col. Amit Sa'ar told Netanyahu that the political-social crisis in Israel was encouraging those groups to attack the nation, and possibly colluding to do so, Haaretz’s journalist Chaim Levinson reported on Monday.

"Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas have identified an opportunity for a perfect storm," Sa’ar wrote according to Haaretz. “The players in the system indicate that Israel is in an acute, unprecedented crisis that threatens its cohesion and weakening."

“For our main enemies, Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas, this weakness is an expression of a linear process that will end in the collapse of Israel and the current situation is an opportunity to accelerate and deepen its distress,” Sa’ar reportedly added in his letters. “This analysis of the players is the basis for assessing their situation and is already leading to changes in decision-making and risk-taking by the various players.”

MSN

www.msn.com

IDF says Netanyahu was warned 4 times in 2023 about how enemies saw internal discord

PM denies military gave indication that Hamas could attack amid judicial overhaul upheaval, says to the contrary, it claimed terror group had no interest in attacking from Gaza

www.timesofisrael.com

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/24/amos-yaldin-israeli-military-intelligence-netanyahu-qa-00123099#:~:text=And%20Netanyahu%20got%20all%20the%20warnings%20%E2%80%94%20from%20his%20defense

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

NO, that is not what antisemitism is. Antisemitism is laid out in the definition provided by the State Department, and also followed by 150 other countries.

Why is it that so much venom is allowed toward Jews, with excuses that unless you say a specific outlandish thing, it’s not antisemitic….and yet an Aunt Jemima logo is offensive to blacks and this deems racist?

This is a BIG double standard when it comes to Jews and antisemitism.

You’re engaging in the same behavior as BLM people who complain that the aunt Jemima logo is racist.

Your point about the state department has already been debunked. So your basically agreeing with the Biden administration redefining what racism is. That’s not how the civilized world works my friend.

OK, that’s enough here. You’re not even reading my post and just repeating yourself.

 

[Lisa558]

You’re engaging in the same behavior as BLM people who complain that the aunt Jemima logo is racist.

Your point about the state department has already been debunked. So your basically agreeing with the Biden administration redefining what racism is. That’s not how the civilized world works my friend.

OK, that’s enough here. You’re not even reading my post and just repeating yourself.

Debunked by whom? The increasingly antisemitic Democrat Party, pushing to allow more venom to be thrown at the Jew country? The Squad even wanted to defund the Iron Dome and let HAMAS kill as many Jews as possible.

And don’t lecture me about how the civilized world works. Your venom for Israel, and not a SINGLE word for the HAMAS savages, is a double standard - and a big tell.

 

[IM2]

NO, that is not what antisemitism is. Antisemitism is laid out in the definition provided by the State Department, and also followed by 150 other countries.

Why is it that so much venom is allowed toward Jews, with excuses that unless you say a specific outlandish thing, it’s not antisemitic….and yet an Aunt Jemima logo is offensive to blacks and thus deemed racist?

This is a BIG double standard when it comes to Jews and antisemitism.

And here we go with the anti black racism. You continue disingenuously conflating opposition to the actions of the Israeli government as hatred of Jewish people. Aunt Jemima is a racist depiction of black people. Opposing Netanyahu actions are not even close to the same thing. There is no double standard here.

 

[SootedUpCyndi]

You gave away your OWN antisemitism when you talked about “the ethnic cleansing Jews are doing, rendering the rest of your post meaningless.

if you dont like this forum? why dont you leave? so far i see nothing but complaining.

You’re engaging in the same behavior as BLM people who complain that the aunt Jemima logo is racist.

Your point about the state department has already been debunked. So your basically agreeing with the Biden administration redefining what racism is. That’s not how the civilized world works my friend.

OK, that’s enough here. You’re not even reading my post and just repeating yourself.

all she wants to do? is cause trouble. Then if she doesnt like it here- then report it to the mods. She uses every thread- to try an turn it into an intellectual excuse to spew her agenda? Which is constant? and accuse everyone else of what she's doing... it is funny.

 

[IM2]

Debunked by whom? The increasingly antisemitic Democrat Party, pushing to allow more venom to be thrown at the Jew country? The Squad even wanted to defund the Iron Dome and let HAMAS kill as many Jews as possible.

And don’t lecture me about how the civilized world works. Your venom for Israel, and not a SINGLE word for the HAMAS savages, is a double standard - and a big tell.

STFU. The antisemites are Repubican. That's why 75 percent of the Jewish population are Democrats. Hamas killed 1,400 Jews. Israel has killed 40,000 Plestinians. So then are you saying that Israel gets to keep killing until they decide to stop and we are all supposed to like it?

 

[Crepitus]

 

[Lisa558]

if you dont like this forum? why dont you leave? so far i see nothing but complaining.

all she wants to do? is cause trouble. Then if she doesnt like it here- then report it to the mods. She uses every thread- to try a turn it into an intellectual excuse to spew her agenda? Which is constant? and accuse everyone else of what she's doing... it is funny.

My agenda? What agenda would that be? To reduce the antisemitic propoganda on social media that is driving the increased Jew-hate?

Sounds like a worthy objective to me.