Are the .1% are shooting themselves in the foot by hoarding.

[JoeNormal]

The ultra rich do not work 10,000 times harder than the average guy.

Do you work 10,000 times harder than the average homeless person? I think we need to confiscate 50% of your earnings so we can start providing homes for the homeless, since you are, after all, very rich compared to them. You don't really need that big screen television or that smart phone or that extra 600 sq ft of house you have. That's excess.

I don't complain about the taxes I pay and I pay plenty. I'm glad that I've reached a level of success where it's expected.

But you seem to have no problem bitching about what other people should be doing, which is none of your business. I don't want to live in a society that decides how much money I'm allowed to have. If you do, then there are plenty of places out there like Cuba and North Korea and Venezuela that I'm sure will make you feel right at home.

LOL, from Rush Limbaugh's mouth to your keyboard. Why are all right wingers only good at parroting others?

It's funny you should say that...all leftist tools say it. Why don't you tell us why you do it?

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

 

[BlackSand]

I'm not so sure about that. In the corporation that I work for, a cadre of fools managed to convince the guys with the purse strings that they had a better way. It was a disaster and now, the guys with the purse strings are trying to sell things off before it all implodes. Two bad outcomes from this: 1) A lot of really good people are going to be losing jobs that they had a ton of expertise and creativity invested in. 2) The guys who caused the implosion might get away with it.

He obviously didn't prove that it was a better plan ... Probably relied on speculation.

Anyone can sell someone else on what they think is a good idea ... That doesn't constitute proof.
The person who held the purse strings with corporation you are speaking of ... Didn't apply due diligence in ensuring the program was stable.

That would more closely compare with failed taxpayer funded programs ... That don't provide the results they promise ... Glad we can agree on that.

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[JoeNormal]

As incompetent and self-serving as those in Washington have shown themselves to be, they're rank amateurs compared to our so-called captains of industry.

I am certainly not going to argue with that ... That was pretty much my point all along.
The incompetent telling the competent what to do just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Short of a full blown revolution, I don't know where else the average guy is going to go for some leverage.

How about getting a well paying profession or vocation?

Got one. Still hasn't stopped our CEO from sending about 20,000 of our jobs abroad.

I thought this was a hoarding thread.

What's your idea of hoarding? Mine is redirecting the vast majority of the rewards of a business into their own hands. This all plays in together.

 

[JoeNormal]

I'm not so sure about that. In the corporation that I work for, a cadre of fools managed to convince the guys with the purse strings that they had a better way. It was a disaster and now, the guys with the purse strings are trying to sell things off before it all implodes. Two bad outcomes from this: 1) A lot of really good people are going to be losing jobs that they had a ton of expertise and creativity invested in. 2) The guys who caused the implosion might get away with it.

He obviously didn't prove that it was a better plan ... Probably relied on speculation.

Anyone can sell someone else on what think is a good idea ... That doesn't constitute proof.
The person who held the purse strings with corporation you are speaking of ... Didn't apply due diligence in ensuring the program was stable.

That would more closely compare with failed taxpayer funded programs ... That don't provide what they promise ... Glad we can agree on that.

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I envy you if you work for a company where the guys on top never fell for a brilliant new plan that ended in disaster. It's happened to the last two companies I've worked for.

Maybe the key is to work for companies that are still run by their founders.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I am certainly not going to argue with that ... That was pretty much my point all along.
The incompetent telling the competent what to do just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Short of a full blown revolution, I don't know where else the average guy is going to go for some leverage.

How about getting a well paying profession or vocation?

Got one. Still hasn't stopped our CEO from sending about 20,000 of our jobs abroad.

I thought this was a hoarding thread.

What's your idea of hoarding? Mine is redirecting the vast majority of the rewards of a business into their own hands. This all plays in together.

I own a small business.... why should I not hoard my profits? Why should I give you any?

 

[JoeNormal]

Short of a full blown revolution, I don't know where else the average guy is going to go for some leverage.

How about getting a well paying profession or vocation?

Got one. Still hasn't stopped our CEO from sending about 20,000 of our jobs abroad.

I thought this was a hoarding thread.

What's your idea of hoarding? Mine is redirecting the vast majority of the rewards of a business into their own hands. This all plays in together.

I own a small business.... why should I not hoard my profits? Why should I give you any?

I don't care what you do with your money. I hope you don't exploit the people who work for you but if your business is small, that's not the realm I'm concerned with.

I do care that corporate management puts tighter and tighter screws on the people who produce what they sell and takes an ever larger portion for themselves.

 

[BlackSand]

I envy you if you work for a company where the guys on top never fell for a brilliant new plan that ended in disaster. It's happened to the last two companies I've worked for.

Maybe the key is to work for companies that are still run by their founders.

I don't work for a company ... My first business was one where I helped corporations develop sustainable quality programs where their investments in providing higher quality products and more value to their customers were justified in the returns they recognized from doing so.

I don't just preach it ... I practice what I preach.
I know the plan works ... And have proven it several times over.

I don't expect you to just accept that ... Put the principles to work and you with find out it works yourself.
The only thing I can add is that it takes an investment on your part ... Money, effort, and dedication ... Leverage isn't free.

Edit:
Here is a link to a Six Sigma reference page.
It should be noted that it clearly states the program itself is not what comprises success ... Just a blueprint and certification in application.

If you suck ... Or if you don't meet the appropriate requirements, rely on faulty data, poor application or flawed experimentation ... You are still going to fail.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The rich may be securing their own interests better by building more wealth.
As it becomes more evident that whatever they choose to do to help those lower still isn't going to stop the lower end from demanding more of what the rich have.

When the government of the people ... Decides they have a right to what the rich have ... Then it is no longer up to the rich.
If they go as far as threatening the rich ... And insisting on taking everything they have ... Then the rich should do what is necessary to protect their interests as well.

Rome didn't fall just because the people were corrupt ... It fell when the wealthy found it safer to do business elsewhere.
When Rome could no longer afford to pay its army ... Then it got run over by invaders ... The wealthy that had the means and wisdom to be elsewhere didn't suffer the same.

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What is it that you think the rich are doing to help the lower classes? From what I can see, they're doing everything they can to shut down everything in this country and move it elsewhere. They seem to have no shame or guilt about it either in spite of the blood and treasure spent to create the conditions for their success.

I think it is safe to say the last two sentences I posted are a direct reflection of why the rich are taking their business elsewhere ...
When government decides to start distinguishing what is fair ... The rich actually have no obligation to humor them.

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Government should ensure some sense of justice for its citizens. When a group of people exert undo influence over wages paid, benefits received and cost of living, the government SHOULD intervene. You still didn't say what they great benefits to the average citizen the rich have provided.

You mean unions, right?

No I mean corporate upper management and Wall Street.

I used to be somewhat anti-union but that was 35 years ago. I can see why they were needed now.

You said: "a group of people exert undo influence over wages paid, benefits received and cost of living"

That's a union, not management.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Profit for all doesn't work. You can't steal what belongs to one and gift it to another and call it equality. It's theft.
And the rich are not hoarding. They spend lavishly.
What makes you think you are entitled to the reward for someone else's hard work?

The ultra rich do not work 10,000 times harder than the average guy.

Do you work 10,000 times harder than the average homeless person? I think we need to confiscate 50% of your earnings so we can start providing homes for the homeless, since you are, after all, very rich compared to them. You don't really need that big screen television or that smart phone or that extra 600 sq ft of house you have. That's excess.

I don't complain about the taxes I pay and I pay plenty. I'm glad that I've reached a level of success where it's expected.

But you seem to have no problem bitching about what other people should be doing, which is none of your business. I don't want to live in a society that decides how much money I'm allowed to have. If you do, then there are plenty of places out there like Cuba and North Korea and Venezuela that I'm sure will make you feel right at home.

LOL, from Rush Limbaugh's mouth to your keyboard. Why are all right wingers only good at parroting others?

Why are all Socialists only good at deflecting from the lunacy of their ideas by making straw man statements?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[usmbguest5318]

the rich preside over a demographic pyramid that is top shaped and de-stabled.

What does "top shaped" mean? Do you mean shaped like a spinning top?

The middle of a spinning top is the largest portion of the top. The bulge in the middle is integral to the thing's spinning and maintaining its balance. The middle of the U.S.' demographic profile is the largest, and that's, if not as it should be, as it, at its best, going to be.

Ironically, because the rich have put themselves so far from the base, they themselves have become the most unstable part of the pyramid. This is not good for the rich. Trickle down, an economic concept which is what we all live in, if increased would remedy the stability problem.

Notwithstanding that pyramids and tops have completely different shapes, where the hell would you have rich people "put" themselves?

 

[JoeNormal]

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with the topic at hand?

Your statement sounded like something Rush Limbaugh would say. No? If not, who comes up with all of these lame talking points that right wingers post in every thread?

 

[usmbguest5318]

The ultra rich do not work 10,000 times harder than the average guy.

Do you work 10,000 times harder than the average homeless person? I think we need to confiscate 50% of your earnings so we can start providing homes for the homeless, since you are, after all, very rich compared to them. You don't really need that big screen television or that smart phone or that extra 600 sq ft of house you have. That's excess.

I don't complain about the taxes I pay and I pay plenty. I'm glad that I've reached a level of success where it's expected.

But you seem to have no problem bitching about what other people should be doing, which is none of your business. I don't want to live in a society that decides how much money I'm allowed to have. If you do, then there are plenty of places out there like Cuba and North Korea and Venezuela that I'm sure will make you feel right at home.

LOL, from Rush Limbaugh's mouth to your keyboard. Why are all right wingers only good at parroting others?

Why are all Socialists only good at deflecting from the lunacy of their ideas by making straw man statements?

OT:
Socialists are not the only ones who are adept at or given to doing that.

 

[JoeNormal]

What is it that you think the rich are doing to help the lower classes? From what I can see, they're doing everything they can to shut down everything in this country and move it elsewhere. They seem to have no shame or guilt about it either in spite of the blood and treasure spent to create the conditions for their success.

I think it is safe to say the last two sentences I posted are a direct reflection of why the rich are taking their business elsewhere ...
When government decides to start distinguishing what is fair ... The rich actually have no obligation to humor them.

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Government should ensure some sense of justice for its citizens. When a group of people exert undo influence over wages paid, benefits received and cost of living, the government SHOULD intervene. You still didn't say what they great benefits to the average citizen the rich have provided.

You mean unions, right?

No I mean corporate upper management and Wall Street.

I used to be somewhat anti-union but that was 35 years ago. I can see why they were needed now.

You said: "a group of people exert undo influence over wages paid, benefits received and cost of living"

That's a union, not management.

Think bigger. Major corporations and Wall Street are exerting their influence on every aspect of modern life.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think it is safe to say the last two sentences I posted are a direct reflection of why the rich are taking their business elsewhere ...
When government decides to start distinguishing what is fair ... The rich actually have no obligation to humor them.

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Government should ensure some sense of justice for its citizens. When a group of people exert undo influence over wages paid, benefits received and cost of living, the government SHOULD intervene. You still didn't say what they great benefits to the average citizen the rich have provided.

You mean unions, right?

No I mean corporate upper management and Wall Street.

I used to be somewhat anti-union but that was 35 years ago. I can see why they were needed now.

You said: "a group of people exert undo influence over wages paid, benefits received and cost of living"

That's a union, not management.

Think bigger. Major corporations and Wall Street are exerting their influence on every aspect of modern life.

Nope. Not mine!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with the topic at hand?

Your statement sounded like something Rush Limbaugh would say. No? If not, who comes up with all of these lame talking points that right wingers post in every thread?

Feel free to cite the quote I allegedly pulled from Limbaugh. Or did you just pull that out of nowhere to deflect from the fact you support an authoritarian regime running our country?

 

[koshergrl]

Do you work 10,000 times harder than the average homeless person? I think we need to confiscate 50% of your earnings so we can start providing homes for the homeless, since you are, after all, very rich compared to them. You don't really need that big screen television or that smart phone or that extra 600 sq ft of house you have. That's excess.

I don't complain about the taxes I pay and I pay plenty. I'm glad that I've reached a level of success where it's expected.

But you seem to have no problem bitching about what other people should be doing, which is none of your business. I don't want to live in a society that decides how much money I'm allowed to have. If you do, then there are plenty of places out there like Cuba and North Korea and Venezuela that I'm sure will make you feel right at home.

LOL, from Rush Limbaugh's mouth to your keyboard. Why are all right wingers only good at parroting others?

It's funny you should say that...all leftist tools say it. Why don't you tell us why you do it?

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

Which is exactly what all the retards say.
Why is it that all left wingers are only good at parroting others?

 

[JoeNormal]

I don't complain about the taxes I pay and I pay plenty. I'm glad that I've reached a level of success where it's expected.

But you seem to have no problem bitching about what other people should be doing, which is none of your business. I don't want to live in a society that decides how much money I'm allowed to have. If you do, then there are plenty of places out there like Cuba and North Korea and Venezuela that I'm sure will make you feel right at home.

LOL, from Rush Limbaugh's mouth to your keyboard. Why are all right wingers only good at parroting others?

It's funny you should say that...all leftist tools say it. Why don't you tell us why you do it?

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

Which is exactly what all the retards say.
Why is it that all left wingers are only good at parroting others?

Jeezus, forget that I accused you of imitating Rush Limbaugh. More like Pee-wee Herman.

 

[koshergrl]

But you seem to have no problem bitching about what other people should be doing, which is none of your business. I don't want to live in a society that decides how much money I'm allowed to have. If you do, then there are plenty of places out there like Cuba and North Korea and Venezuela that I'm sure will make you feel right at home.

LOL, from Rush Limbaugh's mouth to your keyboard. Why are all right wingers only good at parroting others?

It's funny you should say that...all leftist tools say it. Why don't you tell us why you do it?

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

Which is exactly what all the retards say.
Why is it that all left wingers are only good at parroting others?

Jeezus, forget that I accused you of imitating Rush Limbaugh. More like Pee-wee Herman.

You didn't accuse me of it, you imbecile.

Like I said. Retards.

 

[JoeNormal]

You can feel free to put me out of my misery if I ever quote Rush Limbaugh in any way other than to ridicule him.

What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with the topic at hand?

Your statement sounded like something Rush Limbaugh would say. No? If not, who comes up with all of these lame talking points that right wingers post in every thread?

Feel free to cite the quote I allegedly pulled from Limbaugh. Or did you just pull that out of nowhere to deflect from the fact you support an authoritarian regime running our country?

See if this sounds familiar: "But you seem to have no problem bitching about what other people should be doing, which is none of your business. I don't want to live in a society that decides how much money I'm allowed to have. If you do, then there are plenty of places out there like Cuba and North Korea and Venezuela that I'm sure will make you feel right at home."

Sounds like Rush Limbaugh to me but then again, I'm no Rush Limbaugh connoisseur.