Are Republicans "trying" to lose the 2016 presidential race?

[JakeStarkey]

Not really....

In the poll that matters, Electoral College, Republicans are taking a pounding

More battleground states are leaning decidedly blue. If Florida goes blue, Republicans will never win another Presidential election

Just wait until Texas goes blue.

Texas is more likely to secede than it is to go dem/lib

Just like the Republic of Texas rebellion back in the 90s. No, it will not secede, and it will go blue in no later than eleven years if the GOP does not reach out to women, minorities, and immigrants.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It sure seems that way. Of course the "conservatives" will tell you the reason they keep losing is because they haven't been "conservative" enough...a position not borne out by a single poll, but I think they should go with that plan anyway. Be MORE conservative. That'll do it!

And liberals were saying they weren't liberal enough in the Bush years. Sure. Where have I heard this one before? You went with your plan and seriously damaged this country.

Spending for one.
The Economy for two (don't give me that "but it's recovering!" crap).
Gas Prices three.


And so on. Yes, please keep being more liberal. Yeah, that'll do it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

This is getting so old. Every time a republican becomes president it's the end of the democratic party. Every time a democrat wins it's the end of the republican party. It's always the same hyperbole. It's always the same magazine covers and newspaper headlines. This country is a pendulum that swings left and right depending on the issues and concerns of the day. The only thing that doesn't change in the world of politics is the talking points about imminent doom concerning the party not in the white house.

and as long as people vote for the same old shit it aint going to change anytime soon....

 

[Harry Dresden]

you look at too many polls Wytch.....how many Democrats in this State said they were for gay marriage until they voted yes on Prop 8?....

I don't know, do you? The fact is the Catholic vote was probably the largest group of Democrats to support Prop. 8; one reason why the church of my youth ought to start paying property taxes.

A lot of the independent "big box" churches paid for and handed out "Yes on 8" signs to parishoners on Sundays and had them stand on busy street corners (with their young children) waving their signs in place of church services.

and so that influenced all these Democrats in this State?......i wonder if anyone told these intimidated people that the church is not looking over your shoulder when you vote......

 

[Harry Dresden]

A lot of the independent "big box" churches paid for and handed out "Yes on 8" signs to parishoners on Sundays and had them stand on busy street corners (with their young children) waving their signs in place of church services.

are churches not allowed to take a stand on social issues? The reverands Sharpton, Jackson, and Wright certainly did and do.

They are...I never said they weren't allowed to. But, now that people here got a good look at what went on.....Prop H8 or its like will never pass here again.


Let me add....assume you are a member of a church....you go to service...get handed a sign and told to go stand on a street corner WITH your kids, instead of church service. You gonna say no? You gonna go with peer pressure?

i would tell them.....you go stand on the corner i got things to do.....any one who does that is pretty much a super church goer Bode.....they were "Yes on 8" people from day one....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I think there's some truth to this. Just look at 2012. The GOP was seen to not care about the poor and middle class, they lost the women vote and the latino vote. There are sensible ways to fix this but they threw common sense out the window and decided to be even more reactionary and radical. The further to the right they go, the less chance they have of winning a Presidency. The country's demographics have changed and are changing. If you want to be relevant, you have to appeal to a broad group of people. Not just a few as the GOP are now doing.

While this does not depict all Republicans and conservatives, there are a great many of them who make it clear that if you are moderate or liberal or a Democrat, then you are un-American. I see it on here all the time, even with some moderate Republicans like JakeStarkey. All the time they call him a liberal statist piece of crap because he is not a real conservative.

These idiots have done everything possible to reduce the appeal of the Republican Party to only the very few small minded like themselves.

and yet a Far Leftist ass like Dudley has called "rw's" as he likes to put it.....Anti- Americans for disagreeing with what he believes...so it works both ways.....and Dean and his Far Left posse also degrade anyone who is on the right.....and i mean ANYONE.....

 

[The2ndAmendment]

It is possible that the Great Satan has decided it is time to collapse America into one party rule.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I live in a community of fairly well to do retired white people from the upper Midwest. It is about as red as a community can get. I have been here for about three years, and I noticed after a year or two that these folks are so conhesively red, that they honestly do not realize that they are in a national minority. Tucson is about 30 miles away, but it is blue, and it might as well be on the moon, as far as my community is concerned. They do not even KNOW a democrat. Since they all reinforce each other's right wing paranoiia, they honestly do not know why they are losing national elections. They tend to blame it on some sort of invisable network of illegal immigrants, gays, and welfare queens, all of whom live somewhere else that is undefined.

So, is the GOP trying to lose elections? No. They simply have become so incestuous and inbread that they no longer live in greater America. Their world ends at the gate that guards the entrence to their nieghborhood. They have no reason whatsover to deal with young women of child bearing age, Hispanics, immigrants, illegal or not, or any non-white, much less having to rub elbows with people that don't have a Summer home in the upper Midwest, and a Winter home in Southern AZ

I have to live with these people, so I refuse to talk politics with them. However, it is very difficult for me to keep a straight face when they all start tuning up at the Elks club after their second highball about all the leaches that are ruining America!

you hang at the Elks Club?.....and you are putting them down?.....hey just sayin....

 

[rightwinger]

It is possible that the Great Satan has decided it is time to collapse America into one party rule.

Please leave Rush Limbaugh out of this

 

[Mustang]

Are Republicans trying to lose the 2016 presidential race? - The Week

n the wake of President Obama's resounding victory in the 2012 election, the Republican National Committee drafted what came to be known as its autopsy report, a sweeping critique of the party's messaging and platform that warned that, unless the party changed, "it will be increasingly difficult for Republicans to win another presidential election in the near future. In the last week alone — the GOP, at both the state and federal level, has narrowed its appeal so drastically that, at this rate, it seems quite likely that any generic, scandal-free Democrat could easily win the 2016 presidential election.

The RNC's autopsy report said the party "must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform" if it wants a larger share of the growing, all-important Latino vote. Legislation to provide illegal immigrants with a pathway to citizenship passed with bipartisan support in the Senate, but it was made clear last week that it has no chance in the GOP-controlled House. This is sure to only estrange Latinos further.

As David Brooks, the conservative columnist at The New York Times, recently wrote:

Before Asians, Hispanics and all the other groups can be won with economic plans, they need to feel respected and understood by the G.O.P. They need to feel that Republicans respect their ethnic and cultural identity. If Republicans reject immigration reform, that will be a giant sign of disrespect, and nothing else Republicans say will even be heard

Then there is the issue of women's rights, or what Democrats like to call the War on Women. The RNC said the GOP must develop a "forward-leaning vision for voting Republican that appeals to women" if it wants to prevent a repeat of an election that saw Obama win women voters overall by 11 points and single women by a staggering 36 points. But just last week, the Texas legislature, with full-throated support from Republican Gov. Rick Perry, passed one of the toughest abortion laws in the country, which anti-abortion groups warn could lead to the shuttering of all but four of the Lone Star State's abortion clinics.

Finally, there is the GOP's economic policies. The RNC was quite emphatic about this: "The perception, revealed in polling, that the GOP does not care about people is doing great harm to the party." And yet just this week we witnessed the House GOP strip the farm bill of food stamps for the poor, which meant that the legislation was composed almost entirely of subsidies for farmers and corporations.

God only knows that they seem hell bent on alienating every voting block under the sun except gun-toting white evangelical Christians.

 

[bodecea]

are churches not allowed to take a stand on social issues? The reverands Sharpton, Jackson, and Wright certainly did and do.

They are...I never said they weren't allowed to. But, now that people here got a good look at what went on.....Prop H8 or its like will never pass here again.


Let me add....assume you are a member of a church....you go to service...get handed a sign and told to go stand on a street corner WITH your kids, instead of church service. You gonna say no? You gonna go with peer pressure?

i would tell them.....you go stand on the corner i got things to do.....any one who does that is pretty much a super church goer Bode.....they were "Yes on 8" people from day one....

Every single member with every single child...to the point of giving up church service, communion, etc for it?

 

[Seawytch]

It sure seems that way. Of course the "conservatives" will tell you the reason they keep losing is because they haven't been "conservative" enough...a position not borne out by a single poll, but I think they should go with that plan anyway. Be MORE conservative. That'll do it!

And liberals were saying they weren't liberal enough in the Bush years. Sure. Where have I heard this one before? You went with your plan and seriously damaged this country.

Spending for one.
The Economy for two (don't give me that "but it's recovering!" crap).
Gas Prices three.


And so on. Yes, please keep being more liberal. Yeah, that'll do it.

Barack Obama is not liberal enough for most "true liberals", but we know the rest of the country isn't ready for a president Kucinich. You all think that your candidates need to be more conservative to win. I say go with that.

 

[Harry Dresden]

They are...I never said they weren't allowed to. But, now that people here got a good look at what went on.....Prop H8 or its like will never pass here again.


Let me add....assume you are a member of a church....you go to service...get handed a sign and told to go stand on a street corner WITH your kids, instead of church service. You gonna say no? You gonna go with peer pressure?

i would tell them.....you go stand on the corner i got things to do.....any one who does that is pretty much a super church goer Bode.....they were "Yes on 8" people from day one....

Every single member with every single child...to the point of giving up church service, communion, etc for it?

so what?.....are you saying that many Gay Rights people voted Yes just because of these people standing on the corner?....and if any people for Gay Rights stood on the corner with those signs.....what does that say about them?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

It sure seems that way. Of course the "conservatives" will tell you the reason they keep losing is because they haven't been "conservative" enough...a position not borne out by a single poll, but I think they should go with that plan anyway. Be MORE conservative. That'll do it!

And liberals were saying they weren't liberal enough in the Bush years. Sure. Where have I heard this one before? You went with your plan and seriously damaged this country.

Spending for one.
The Economy for two (don't give me that "but it's recovering!" crap).
Gas Prices three.


And so on. Yes, please keep being more liberal. Yeah, that'll do it.

Barack Obama is not liberal enough for most "true liberals", but we know the rest of the country isn't ready for a president Kucinich. You all think that your candidates need to be more conservative to win. I say go with that.

i would like to see someone with enough balls to tell the far right and left to .....shut the **** up ....you folks have done enough damage to the Country.....you are now regulated back to the cracks and crevasses from which you slithered out of....

 

[RandallFlagg]

Are Republicans trying to lose the 2016 presidential race? - The Week

n the wake of President Obama's resounding victory in the 2012 election, the Republican National Committee drafted what came to be known as its autopsy report, a sweeping critique of the party's messaging and platform that warned that, unless the party changed, "it will be increasingly difficult for Republicans to win another presidential election in the near future. In the last week alone — the GOP, at both the state and federal level, has narrowed its appeal so drastically that, at this rate, it seems quite likely that any generic, scandal-free Democrat could easily win the 2016 presidential election.

The RNC's autopsy report said the party "must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform" if it wants a larger share of the growing, all-important Latino vote. Legislation to provide illegal immigrants with a pathway to citizenship passed with bipartisan support in the Senate, but it was made clear last week that it has no chance in the GOP-controlled House. This is sure to only estrange Latinos further.

As David Brooks, the conservative columnist at The New York Times, recently wrote:

Before Asians, Hispanics and all the other groups can be won with economic plans, they need to feel respected and understood by the G.O.P. They need to feel that Republicans respect their ethnic and cultural identity. If Republicans reject immigration reform, that will be a giant sign of disrespect, and nothing else Republicans say will even be heard

Then there is the issue of women's rights, or what Democrats like to call the War on Women. The RNC said the GOP must develop a "forward-leaning vision for voting Republican that appeals to women" if it wants to prevent a repeat of an election that saw Obama win women voters overall by 11 points and single women by a staggering 36 points. But just last week, the Texas legislature, with full-throated support from Republican Gov. Rick Perry, passed one of the toughest abortion laws in the country, which anti-abortion groups warn could lead to the shuttering of all but four of the Lone Star State's abortion clinics.

Finally, there is the GOP's economic policies. The RNC was quite emphatic about this: "The perception, revealed in polling, that the GOP does not care about people is doing great harm to the party." And yet just this week we witnessed the House GOP strip the farm bill of food stamps for the poor, which meant that the legislation was composed almost entirely of subsidies for farmers and corporations.

Question - What difference does it make to you? I would think that you would celebrate? Yet you seem to be considerably concerned about what the "GOP does"......

Here's a hint - you worry about the communist party that you belong to and let the GOP worry about their plans for taking back the country.

You commies make me laugh......with your feigned "worry" about the GOP......

 

[Zoom-boing]

The GOP is for comprehensive immigration reform. Securing the borders must come first before anything else can happen. Otherwise, illegals will just continue to pour in. The Dems poo poo border security. Of course the Latino's think the Dems are wonderful for this. The GOP wants to do the right thing; the Dems just want the votes and the hell with actually fixing the problem.

The "War on Women" is made up crap by the Dems. "Forward-leaning vision for voting Republican that appeals to women". Translation: just accept abortion on demand and stfu. lol NO. Gee, with Dems loving regulations so, why aren't they behind Texas' limit on abortion at the 20 week mark? Especially when the majority of the public approves this? "Forward-leaning" ... MSNBC-speak at it's finest.

"The perception, revealed in polling, that the GOP does not care about people is doing great harm to the party." Yes, the Dems (with the always helpful media!) have done quite a good job portraying the GOP as haters of the poor and lovers of the rich.

Awk, awk, Polly want a cracker.

Yes, sweetie, we know you're a parrot. No need actually squawk about it.

 

[rightwinger]

Are Republicans trying to lose the 2016 presidential race? - The Week

n the wake of President Obama's resounding victory in the 2012 election, the Republican National Committee drafted what came to be known as its autopsy report, a sweeping critique of the party's messaging and platform that warned that, unless the party changed, "it will be increasingly difficult for Republicans to win another presidential election in the near future. In the last week alone — the GOP, at both the state and federal level, has narrowed its appeal so drastically that, at this rate, it seems quite likely that any generic, scandal-free Democrat could easily win the 2016 presidential election.

The RNC's autopsy report said the party "must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform" if it wants a larger share of the growing, all-important Latino vote. Legislation to provide illegal immigrants with a pathway to citizenship passed with bipartisan support in the Senate, but it was made clear last week that it has no chance in the GOP-controlled House. This is sure to only estrange Latinos further.

As David Brooks, the conservative columnist at The New York Times, recently wrote:

Before Asians, Hispanics and all the other groups can be won with economic plans, they need to feel respected and understood by the G.O.P. They need to feel that Republicans respect their ethnic and cultural identity. If Republicans reject immigration reform, that will be a giant sign of disrespect, and nothing else Republicans say will even be heard

Then there is the issue of women's rights, or what Democrats like to call the War on Women. The RNC said the GOP must develop a "forward-leaning vision for voting Republican that appeals to women" if it wants to prevent a repeat of an election that saw Obama win women voters overall by 11 points and single women by a staggering 36 points. But just last week, the Texas legislature, with full-throated support from Republican Gov. Rick Perry, passed one of the toughest abortion laws in the country, which anti-abortion groups warn could lead to the shuttering of all but four of the Lone Star State's abortion clinics.

Finally, there is the GOP's economic policies. The RNC was quite emphatic about this: "The perception, revealed in polling, that the GOP does not care about people is doing great harm to the party." And yet just this week we witnessed the House GOP strip the farm bill of food stamps for the poor, which meant that the legislation was composed almost entirely of subsidies for farmers and corporations.

Question - What difference does it make to you? I would think that you would celebrate? Yet you seem to be considerably concerned about what the "GOP does"......

Here's a hint - you worry about the communist party that you belong to and let the GOP worry about their plans for taking back the country.

You commies make me laugh......with your feigned "worry" about the GOP......

This is a Political Message Board.

Know what we discuss here? Politics

Now, Get back into your hole NOW!

 

[rightwinger]

All during the 2012 election, I predicted an Obama win by a large margin. It was not just partisan rooting, but I was confident in looking at the Electoral College map that Romney would have to take 2/3 of battleground states to win. I saw no way of that happening and in the end, Democrats took more states than anticipated

Looking at 2016, I look at those same battleground states and ask....What have Republicans done to improve their performance in those states?

What I see are GOP policies that are making them less likely to take those states and even open up some formerly Red States

Republicans are establishing their brand for 2016 and it is anti-Hispanic, anti-gay and anti-woman

Doesn't look good for the GOP

 

[bendog]

All during the 2012 election, I predicted an Obama win by a large margin. It was not just partisan rooting, but I was confident in looking at the Electoral College map that Romney would have to take 2/3 of battleground states to win. I saw no way of that happening and in the end, Democrats took more states than anticipated

Looking at 2016, I look at those same battleground states and ask....What have Republicans done to improve their performance in those states?

What I see are GOP policies that are making them less likely to take those states and even open up some formerly Red States

Republicans are establishing their brand for 2016 and it is anti-Hispanic, anti-gay and anti-woman

Doesn't look good for the GOP

I think what they're gonna do is run in safe house districts and safe states - homophobe, racist and abortion restrictions on stuff the most people don't buy like no morning after pill w/o a doc present and no exceptions for rape unless a crime was reported. But, nationally, they'll try to run much more to the middle. With the candidate smiling a lot and going "oh shucks" when asked about this stuff and say "we love evverbuddy." I'm not sure it'll work though.

 

[konradv]

It is possible that the Great Satan has decided it is time to collapse America into one party rule.

Please leave Rush Limbaugh out of this

He doesn't really care about the "one party rule" part, he's just butt-hurt that it wasn't his party.