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Thanks. I don't have a Ring camera myself just access to their Neighborhood app which I've monitored from time to time. I've seen some really mundane activities marked as "suspicious", while other individuals seem to be aware that they're on camera and engaged in evasive measures to keep try to keep their faces from being photographed.Does anyone have any experience, positive or negative with Ring's Neighborhood app or something similar?
Ring doorbells, and any wifi network connected, voice activated 'convenience' device is pretty much a bug in your home. It is also prone to being hacked. Use them at your own risk.
My inquiry has less to do with utilizing these services for myself than it does with finding a better destination to upload the footage. I have a few law enforcement options as well as a facial recognition database which is why I was asking if anyone has any positive or negative experiences with these devices/services before I start mass streaming ny evidence files.
K, thank you.You don't seem to find this voip stuff a slippery slope into an invasion into your personal identity. I do. These devices might be more convenient in aiding our lifestyles, but then, you're pretty much opening yourself to the filth of the unregulated Internet when you buy one. I'm trying not to sound like an ass. I sincerely have concern for preserving your identity. Just be careful, K?
Not legally.You're worried about ring video cameras? Why, if I want to, I can watch you from a mile away and tell what brand cigarettes you are smoking.Does anyone have any experience, positive or negative with Ring's Neighborhood app or something similar? We may not know our neighbors very well, but video cameras and social platforms can reveal a lot more than any of us suspect.
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A good reason never to put a camera in you house
Get a better telescope. You go where I took this and you wont be leaving ;-)Does anyone have any experience, positive or negative with Ring's Neighborhood app or something similar? We may not know our neighbors very well, but video cameras and social platforms can reveal a lot more than any of us suspect.
You're worried about ring video cameras? Why, if I want to, I can watch you from a mile away and tell what brand cigarettes you are smoking.
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Gee, the Kodak Instamatic has come a long way!A good reason never to put a camera in you house
You mean a camera like this?
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betcha gonna think this is tooYes, they are.
for the Spirit of the thread.Yes, they are.
KThat's why we knew 20 yrs ago and yall dumb asses are just now finding it out BAHAHAHAAH
Yes, they are.
KThat's why we knew 20 yrs ago and yall dumb asses are just now finding it out BAHAHAHAAH
Is there a piece of tape over the video camera on the front of your computer monitor? ... ha ha, made you look ...
for the Spirit of the thread.Yes, they are.
KThat's why we knew 20 yrs ago and yall dumb asses are just now finding it out BAHAHAHAAH
iYes, they are.
KThat's why we knew 20 yrs ago and yall dumb asses are just now finding it out BAHAHAHAAH
They had Ring doorbells 20 years ago, Crazy Train?
I'm sorry your IQ is to low to understand this as well
Yes, they are.
KThat's why we knew 20 yrs ago and yall dumb asses are just now finding it out BAHAHAHAAH
They had Ring doorbells 20 years ago, Crazy Train?
Yeah really. If I'm in my home and you need a telescope, binoculars, etc. to see and photograph me while inside even if the windows/curtains are open then that's in the very least a violation of privacy because we all have a reasonable expectation of privacy within our abodes.Oh really? What law am I breaking?
Is there a piece of tape over the video camera on the front of your computer monitor? ... ha ha, made you look ...
Didn't have to look. There is DEFINITELY a piece of tape on my webcam!
Really? You think so? Is that why the police have a camera that can see right through your walls to see what your doing? Is that why the utility can look at your smartmeter data to figure out when you're home, when you go on vacation, whether you're an invalid and even roughly what you do? Is that why a couple years ago they tried to sue a man for lewdness for standing at his front door completely nude in sight of children and his rights were upheld because he did so inside his home?Yeah really. If I'm in my home and you need a telescope, binoculars, etc. to see and photograph me while inside even if the windows/curtains are open then that's in the very least a violation of privacy because we all have a reasonable expectation of privacy within our abodes.Oh really? What law am I breaking?
Wrong. There is no harassment of a person if they don't know you're looking at them. There is no harm seeing something from 10 miles away if it can also be seen from 30 feet away. And there is no surveillance of someone unless it is done systematically, repeatedly and can be proven. A casual glance at someone because they walked in plain view across your field of gaze is not surveillance.It could also be a violation of the laws prohibiting "peeping Toms"/voyeurism, and possibly harassment and/or stalking since the language of our protection orders often includes verbiage prohibiting placing or keeping the protection subject "under surveillance".
I'm glad though that you're arguing this from the perspective of what is a reasonable expectation of privacy while out in public because I've had both a front door camera (a makeshift "Ring" camera) and a dashcam for almost 2 decades longer than when they became popular and part of our current landscape. I was denigrated beyond belief by some people who still are harassing me about what they believe should be their privacy while prowling around my front & back doors and vehicles. And they have been tampered with on more than one occasion.
Does anyone have any experience, positive or negative with Ring's Neighborhood app or something similar?
We may not know our neighbors very well, but video cameras and social platforms can reveal a lot more than any of us suspect.
Credit...Trisha Krauss
By Ronda KaysenI don’t know many of my neighbors, but I can tell you a lot about what’s happening on their doorsteps.Here’s a sampling of some recent events, viewed through the grainy footage of other people’s security cameras: An enterprising squirrel lay waste to a pumpkin; a man in a red plaid shirt shamelessly raked leaves into his neighbor’s driveway; and, around my bedtime one recent night, a teenager rang someone’s doorbell and ran off.I watched all this happen in 30-second loops, from video uploaded to Neighbors, the app for Ring, a brand of motion-detection cameras and video doorbells owned by Amazon. You don’t need to own a Ring to join Neighbors. Just enter your address and there you have it, a map of a five-mile radius of your home, littered with tags like “suspicious,” “crime,” and “unknown visitor.” Click on one and you get a fish-eye view from the porch, garage or second-floor window posted by someone who felt like sharing.The footage, posted anonymously, is invariably accompanied by a headline and caption. “Ring and run” read the one of a teenager in a hoodie bounding down the front steps of a house after ringing the doorbell. “Hey kid, you’re trespassing and it’s 10 p.m. Isn’t it past your bedtime?”“Because we do so much of our communication on our devices, we may have lost a bit of our skill and our comfort of communicating in person,” said Bella DePaulo, the author of “How We Live Now.”So instead, we upload videos and then commiserate virtually about porch pirates, potential porch pirates or a delivery man lingering too long on the doorstep. Cameras often catch what’s happening on the sidewalk or on a neighboring property, too. So your neighbors may never say hello, but they can film you taking out the trash, walking the dog, or shamelessly neglecting to scoop the poop, and then share it.There’s a risk to all the peeping and posting. “If you have a society where everyone knows they’re spying on one another, you could undercut social capital in the neighborhood,” said Jay Van Bavel, the director of the Social Perception and Evaluation Lab at New York University.I installed some of these apps a few weeks ago, curious to see what my neighborhood looked like from this vantage. Every few hours, my phone rattled with alerts, telling me about attempted car thefts, police chasing suspects and someone needing a bathroom contractor.Scott Sokol, 34, who lives in Montclair, N.J., with his wife and two young daughters, bought a Ring doorbell over the summer when Amazon was selling them at a discount. Thanks to the video doorbell, he now gets alerts on his phone when the nanny arrives home with the children, making him feel more comfortable leaving the children while he’s at work.But he finds the Neighbors app baffling. “It’s an odd collection of information,” he said. “Most of the time I get a Neighbors alert, it’s something in a neighboring town or three miles away — somebody’s car door was opened in Cedar Grove — it’s irritating.”Ring insists it tries to keep Neighbors alerts to a minimum. “Our app is meant to be low frequency, high relevancy,” said Che’von Lewis, a Ring spokeswoman.Regardless, the apps are popular. As of Wednesday, Nextdoor was the fourth most popular free app in the Apple App Store’s news category, and Citizen ranked sixth. Neighbors ranked 38th in the social networking category. There’s enough material to go around that the Twitter account @bestofnextdoor has gained almost 300,000 followers sharing particularly absurd postings, like one warning neighbors to be wary of teenage trick-or-treaters who may actually be criminals posing as children.All this data also may paint a skewed picture of the areas where we live. Across the U.S., crime is falling. In 2018, property crime dropped 6.3 percent from the previous year, and almost 28 percent from 2009, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Yet log into Citizen or Neighbors and you might think you were in the middle of a crime wave.“We need to learn how to be data literate and we’re not,” said Pamela Rutledge, a media psychologist at Fielding Graduate University in Santa Barbara, Calif., and director of the Media Psychology Research Center, a nonprofit organization. “We need to know what we’re looking at and know what it means.”We may not be data literate, but our thirst for data seems boundless.Now, for $2,000 a year, a concerned homeowner can buy a service from a company that will affix a camera to a pole and angle it toward the street to capture pictures of the license plates on every car across two lanes of traffic up to 100 feet away. Two cameras, one positioned at either end of the block, could capture all the cars coming and going down a street. The company, Flock Safety, can view or access the footage with the homeowners’ consent. Flock cameras are in 400 cities in 36 states, and half of its customers are civic associations.The idea behind the camera: If someone steals a bike or breaks into a house, police can review the footage looking for any suspicious vehicles. While Ring has partnered with 405 law enforcement agencies around the country, potentially providing them access to homeowners’ video feeds, Flock alerts authorities if a camera spots a vehicle with a license plate in the FBI’s National Crime Information Center database.“Is this a surveillance state? We don’t think that it is,” said Garrett Langley, chief executive of Flock Safety.At some point, you have to wonder how many cameras we actually need, and how much of the footage is worth watching. Robin Guarino, who has lived in her house in West Orange, N.J., for 20 years, doesn’t mind that many of her neighbors installed video doorbells. She sees the benefit — a camera might deter a porch pirate.But recently a couple moved into a house on the corner and affixed small cameras to the side of their porch, facing out onto the street. That got her attention.“It’s a little bit creepy,” she said. “What are they going to capture? Nothing goes on in this neighborhood.”
Are My Neighbors Spying on Me?
that can’t be used against you . There is nothing to trace and track like an online item/device.You're worried about ring video cameras? Why, if I want to, I can watch you from a mile away and tell what brand cigarettes you are smoking.
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