Zone1 Are Humans a "Blank Slate" When Born?

[Mr. Friscus]

This is a common concept in the social/culture war between woke leftism and Mainstream/Moderate/Right wing conservatism. We see the concept in so many woke arguments, suggestions that everyone is the same and that only outside factors can account for any differences between humans.

We see this in:
1. Comparing successful people to unsuccessful people, especially financially.
2. Comparing criminals to law-abiding citizens
3. Comparing men to women and women to men, and the trans movement
4. Comparing races; white, black, asian, latino, arab, etc.

The woke's focus is so often that it had nothing to do with the person, and everything to do with an evil, corrupt, racist, sexist, etc. society. We can just interchange people across all dynamics and the outcomes would be equally different.

I don't buy that.. at all.

1. Successful people have generally great habits, ones that are tried and true, people can learn from, and should inspire others. If you do your best to do what they do from the ground up, you're more likely to succeed. That includes discipline, study, body health, etc.

2. Criminals tend to rise from single-parent households (with a mother as the single parent), and in cultures that rely on a line of victimization.

3. Men and women are very similar up until that 5% where they are completely different as far as physiology, behavioral psychology, etc.

4. Races have genetic differences but are far closer to one another than men and women.

 

[candycorn]

Yes. People are a blank slate. Potential is limitless in every human. There is something innate and undefined that determines whether or not you maximize your potential; and even at that point, no one truly maximizes their potential since there is no limit.

That being said...Skip to the part where you blame women for your misery.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

This is a common concept in the social/culture war between woke leftism and Mainstream/Moderate/Right wing conservatism. We see the concept in so many woke arguments, suggestions that everyone is the same and that only outside factors can account for any differences between humans.

We see this in:
1. Comparing successful people to unsuccessful people, especially financially.
2. Comparing criminals to law-abiding citizens
3. Comparing men to women and women to men, and the trans movement
4. Comparing races; white, black, asian, latino, arab, etc.

The woke's focus is so often that it had nothing to do with the person, and everything to do with an evil, corrupt, racist, sexist, etc. society. We can just interchange people across all dynamics and the outcomes would be equally different.

I don't buy that.. at all.

1. Successful people have generally great habits, ones that are tried and true, people can learn from, and should inspire others. If you do your best to do what they do from the ground up, you're more likely to succeed. That includes discipline, study, body health, etc.

2. Criminals tend to rise from single-parent households (with a mother as the single parent), and in cultures that rely on a line of victimization.

3. Men and women are very similar up until that 5% where they are completely different as far as physiology, behavioral psychology, etc.

4. Races have genetic differences but are far closer to one another than men and women.

I don't believe so.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Yes. People are a blank slate. Potential is limitless in every human. There is something innate and undefined that determines whether or not you maximize your potential; and even at that point, no one truly maximizes their potential since there is no limit.

So, no difference between men and women? No difference between a person who runs everyday, eats healthy, and seeks to view their existance as a gift rather than giving up? It's all outside influence?

That being said...Skip to the part where you blame women for your misery.

Triggered much?

 

[SaxonJackson]

This is a common concept in the social/culture war between woke leftism and Mainstream/Moderate/Right wing conservatism. We see the concept in so many woke arguments, suggestions that everyone is the same and that only outside factors can account for any differences between humans.

We see this in:
1. Comparing successful people to unsuccessful people, especially financially.
2. Comparing criminals to law-abiding citizens
3. Comparing men to women and women to men, and the trans movement
4. Comparing races; white, black, asian, latino, arab, etc.

The woke's focus is so often that it had nothing to do with the person, and everything to do with an evil, corrupt, racist, sexist, etc. society. We can just interchange people across all dynamics and the outcomes would be equally different.

I don't buy that.. at all.

1. Successful people have generally great habits, ones that are tried and true, people can learn from, and should inspire others. If you do your best to do what they do from the ground up, you're more likely to succeed. That includes discipline, study, body health, etc.

2. Criminals tend to rise from single-parent households (with a mother as the single parent), and in cultures that rely on a line of victimization.

3. Men and women are very similar up until that 5% where they are completely different as far as physiology, behavioral psychology, etc.

4. Races have genetic differences but are far closer to one another than men and women.

A little of both. I believe infants from different races are born with genetic traits that differ from other races but I also believe that an infant's brain is pretty smooth and they can be trained follow a certain path as opposed to an opposite path.

So every infant has the potential to become the best he or she can be or the worst he or she could be or somewhere in between.

But there are definitely some structural differences (both externally and internally) between the various races. Some are subtle while others not so much.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

A little of both. I believe infants from different races are born with genetic traits that differ from other races but I also believe that an infant's brain is pretty smooth and they can be trained follow a certain path as opposed to an opposite path.

So every infant has the potential to become the best he or she can be or the worst he or she could be or somewhere in between.

But there are definitely some structural differences (both externally and internally) between the various races. Some are subtle while others not so much.

I'm not discounting the obvious effects nature can impose on people... but I'm referencing the extreme that it's 100% the reason for any difference in people, thus nullifying any positive traits in successful people, and supporting a victim ideology

 

[Darkwind]

Yes. Blank Slates.

For some, they remain that way throughout life. We call them Democrats.


LMAO

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Carry on.

 

[DGS49]

Psychologists have struggled with this question for generations, and the conclusions are fairly well known.

Genes can determine a lot of different traits, not only hair and eye color, height, and the usual things, but also intelligence and certain talents. It is generally believed that genes determine potential, but if the environment is such that development is impeded, you might not develop fully up to your potential.

The perverse thing is how kids in large families turn out significantly different, when it would appear that their genes should be similar and their environment growing up should have been very similar from one kid to another. I personally see significant differences based on how the parents evolve as they raise several kids. In my own family of 5 kids, my parents exerted less and less discipline over time. I was the youngest and I saw what was acceptable and otherwise in my older siblings , and I was basically never disciplined growing up.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I'm not discounting the obvious effects nature can impose on people... but I'm referencing the extreme that it's 100% the reason for any difference in people, thus nullifying any positive traits in successful people, and supporting a victim ideology

I don't believe that the factors that shape a person from infancy to adulthood can be truly or fully scrutinized. There are so many micro-events that take place during our lives that leave impressions on the mind. No two people will ever experience the same events or situational circumstances that others will.

We're all teachers and we're all students. I literally know two siblings that were born to the same parents; attended the same schools; and were given the same opportunities. The sister has a PhD and is now a prestigious scientist living in Switzerland. Her brother (my coworker) is a high school graduate and a delivery driver barely scraping by.

 

[MarathonMike]

Both my kids were born via a midwife and I held them and was with them from the first second they were born. They were very different right from the jump and now 30 years later they are different as different can be. People are born with their own genetic coding that LARGELY defines them. But who raises you, how you were raised, early traumas, environment, etc. does contribute to development and ultimately the person you become.

 

[toobfreak]

Are Humans a "Blank Slate" When Born?​

Obviously not. I cannot name a single living thing on this planet which is a blank slate when born. Most life are born already with all of the instinctual knowledge they need to live already programmed into them, the only difference with a human baby is that beyond that, they need years of learning from life, experience and parents for things specific that do not involve other life other than people.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I don't believe that the factors that shape a person from infancy to adulthood can be truly or fully scrutinized. There are so many micro-events that take place during our lives that leave impressions on the mind. No two people will ever experience the same events or situational circumstances that others will.

We're all teachers and we're all students. I literally know two siblings that were born to the same parents; attended the same schools; and were given the same opportunities. The sister has a PhD and is now a prestigious scientist living in Switzerland. Her brother (my coworker) is a high school graduate and a delivery driver barely scraping by.

Some people have a massive drive, others don't, and I think a problem in our society is to say the former is "good" and the latter is "bad". There are leaders and supporters in life. I'm not some CEO-driven kind of guy in the slightest. I know my limits, and I accept them. However, I cheers those who have more drive than me, those that can do more than me. It's impressive. My political opposition views it differently, and says it bullshit, unearned, and they feel attacked when others are declared to be more successful than them. They then take issue with the system rather than addressing their short-comings, and become deconstructionists to tear the system down that wronged them.

 

[candycorn]

So, no difference between men and women? No difference between a person who runs everyday, eats healthy, and seeks to view their existance as a gift rather than giving up? It's all outside influence?

Triggered much?

No difference in raw materials barring some sort of birth defect. Like most MAGA folks are born/programmed with some malady to where they blame whomever isn't like them. I guess that is an "outside" influence. Hence you see very little in terms of achievement from them. They're big on social media and keeping rivers of hate flowing...hardly anything to be proud of.

I was just saying that you should skip to the part where you blame women for your misery...virtually every thread you make does that.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

No difference in raw materials barring some sort of birth defect

Again, let me clarify. NO difference between a man and a woman? They're different because they're told that? I just want to steel-man your argument.

I was just saying that you should skip to the part where you blame women for your misery...virtually every thread you make does that.

Yeah your weird perception holds no weight, you'd have to prove that or provide some argument for it to support your label. You're free to try, but you're just strawmanning and creating a caricature of me.

 

[Votto]

This is a common concept in the social/culture war between woke leftism and Mainstream/Moderate/Right wing conservatism. We see the concept in so many woke arguments, suggestions that everyone is the same and that only outside factors can account for any differences between humans.

We see this in:
1. Comparing successful people to unsuccessful people, especially financially.
2. Comparing criminals to law-abiding citizens
3. Comparing men to women and women to men, and the trans movement
4. Comparing races; white, black, asian, latino, arab, etc.

The woke's focus is so often that it had nothing to do with the person, and everything to do with an evil, corrupt, racist, sexist, etc. society. We can just interchange people across all dynamics and the outcomes would be equally different.

I don't buy that.. at all.

1. Successful people have generally great habits, ones that are tried and true, people can learn from, and should inspire others. If you do your best to do what they do from the ground up, you're more likely to succeed. That includes discipline, study, body health, etc.

2. Criminals tend to rise from single-parent households (with a mother as the single parent), and in cultures that rely on a line of victimization.

3. Men and women are very similar up until that 5% where they are completely different as far as physiology, behavioral psychology, etc.

4. Races have genetic differences but are far closer to one another than men and women.

Jews prove the victocrats wrong when they say that victims are the powerless byproduct of oppression.

No other people have encountered oppression and hate than Jews, yet they continue rank the highest socioeconomically of any peoples anywhere in the world. Their love of the Patriarchal family, hard work, and education, serves them well.

Asians are another example, as they value hard work and education, and also lead the US in socioeconomic status, even higher than evil oppressive whites.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Jews prove the victocrats wrong when they say that victims are the powerless byproduct of oppression.

No other people have encountered oppression and hate than Jews, yet they continue rank the highest socioeconomically of any peoples. Their love of the Patriarchal family, hard work, and education, serves them well.

Asians are another example, as they value hard work and education as well, and also lead the US in socioeconomic status, even higher than evil oppressive whites.

Or ... they use their perpetual victimhood as a tool to suppress any dissent from or criticism of their agenda. In other words, they hold their victimhood hammer over the heads of anyone and everyone who oppose them in any way. They are, by no means, innocent little toddlers.

Their infants are trained from the get go to practice the art of victimhood and how to use it to their advantage.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Yes. Blank Slates.

For some, they remain that way throughout life. We call them Democrats.


LMAO

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Carry on.

I call the "blank slates" Sheep. For some reason they tend to be Republicans.

 

[DennisPTate]

Again, let me clarify. NO difference between a man and a woman? They're different because they're told that? I just want to steel-man your argument.



Yeah your weird perception holds no weight, you'd have to prove that or provide some argument for it to support your label. You're free to try, but you're just strawmanning and creating a caricature of me.

I believe that the full answer to this question is no.

How was John the Baptist somehow connected to the Prophet Elijah?

Does that dream that Jacob - Yacob had where angels descend down to the earth and go back up to heaven help to explain how there is a spirit within us that existed long before we were conceived?

Is our soul, our mind, will, emotions, individuality and personality "recorded" on that human spirit like a CD can record a number of movies?

s they departed, Jesus began to say to the multitudes concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in soft garments? Indeed, those who wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses. 9But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and more than a prophet. 10For this is he of whom it is written:
‘Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.’
11“Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. 13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
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What near death experiencers were shown about this rather shocked me at first.

1. Introduction to Pre-Existence and NDEs​

It is not unusual for people having near-death experiences (NDEs) returning from clinical death to report having received information concerning their pre-existence before they were conceived in the world. Some experiencers report of learning how they chose various aspects of their lives to be predestined before they were born. Some of the choices people have reported having chosen before birth include the selection of their birth parents, choosing their mission in life, and even choosing how they will die. This knowledge received by near-death experiencers of the past and future shows how some things in life are predestined while other things are not. It shows how free will and predestination both exist and work hand in hand. It means we choose our destiny in life before our birth into the world to live it. Because reincarnation is a concept found in many cultures and religions, the metaphor of life as a river which we chose before we were born, shows up in many of these cultures and religions. There are many aspects to a river which make it an excellent analogy to help us understand where we came from, where we’re going, who we are, why we’re here, and what life is all about. The following discussion will attempt to do just that.

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If it is true that John the Baptist had some sort of deep connection to the Prophet Elijah, both John the Baptist as well as Elijah can be met in heaven or paradise or the afterlife. Little Colton Burpo met John the Baptis and Elijah appeared along with Moses to Yeshua and several disciples.

 

[Cassandro]

Heredity and environment are not either/or alternatives.

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't believe that the factors that shape a person from infancy to adulthood can be truly or fully scrutinized. There are so many micro-events that take place during our lives that leave impressions on the mind. No two people will ever experience the same events or situational circumstances that others will.

We're all teachers and we're all students. I literally know two siblings that were born to the same parents; attended the same schools; and were given the same opportunities. The sister has a PhD and is now a prestigious scientist living in Switzerland. Her brother (my coworker) is a high school graduate and a delivery driver barely scraping by.

The basic factor are social experiences during the r=first 13 years with genes playing a lesser role
Sure they can and there are effective models of human development
Erikson's developmental model, or Psychosocial Development Theory, outlines eight sequential stages from infancy to late adulthood, where individuals face unique social and emotional conflicts (crises) that shape their personality and sense of self, leading to virtues like hope, will, or wisdom if successfully resolved. Key stages include Trust vs. Mistrust, Identity vs. Role Confusion, and Integrity vs. Despair, emphasizing that development continues throughout the entire lifespan, influenced heavily by social interactions.
The Eight Stages of Psychosocial Development

1. Trust vs. Mistrust: (Infancy, 0-18 months): Developing a sense of reliability in caregivers, leading to the virtue of Hope.
2. Autonomy vs. Shame & Doubt: (Toddler, 1-3 years): Gaining independence in tasks, leading to Will.
3. Initiative vs. Guilt: (Preschool, 3-5 years): Asserting power and control, leading to Purpose.
4. • Industry vs. Inferiority: (School Age, 6-11 years): Developing competence and pride in achievements, leading to Competence.
   • Identity vs. Role Confusion: (Adolescence, 12-18 years): Forming a strong sense of self, leading to Fidelity.
   • Intimacy vs. Isolation: (Young Adulthood, 19-40 years): Forming intimate, loving relationships, leading to Love.
   • Generativity vs. Stagnation: (Middle Adulthood, 40-65 years): Creating or nurturing things that will outlast the individual, leading to Care.
   • Integrity vs. Despair: (Maturity, 65+ years): Reflecting on life with a sense of fulfillment, leading to Wisdom.