Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

[TNHarley]

What if you "naturally" wanted to kill someone... Should you just go with it?

Really?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Really?

He's right. 60 million aborted human beings tell up humans justify any behavior

 

[TNHarley]

He's right. 60 million aborted human beings tell up humans justify any behavior

Abortion isnt murder. I know you might see it that way, but it isnt.
Murder implies it is unlawful.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Abortion isnt murder. I know you might see it that way, but it isnt.
Murder implies it is unlawful.

The taking of an innocent human life is the definition of murder.

Because a nazi government declared Jews to be subhuman and lawful to exterminate as "pests" doesn't change the fact they were murdered.

This is what happens when human authorities replace GOD and His unchanging laws.

You are doing this with the perversion of homosexuality

The father of a missing pregnant mother's unborn child has been arrested and charged with killing them both — nearly five years after the Maryland woman disappeared.

 

[TNHarley]

The taking of an innocent human life is the definition of murder.

Because a nazi government declared Jews to be subhuman and lawful to exterminate as "pests" doesn't change the fact they were murdered.

This is what happens when human authorities replace GOD and His unchanging laws.

You are doing this with the perversion of homosexuality

The father of a missing pregnant mother's unborn child has been arrested and charged with killing them both — nearly five years after the Maryland woman disappeared.

The very definition of murder is about LEGALITY.
You are raping terminology like leftists do. Are you a leftist?

 

[Bobob]

If nurture, parents then, and those that helped child rear gays, are to blame for gays being gay.

Strange that homophobes hate the programmed victims, while ignoring the people who victimized and created the child in the first place.

What did you mean by nature?

DNA damage?

Regards
DL

I mean the natural scheme of things. I believe that it can be natural for a person to grow up being gay or change his or her preference. The people close to me who are gay have had parents who are flawed
in the nurture department.

 

[Bobob]

Would you care to explain that? What do you mean by a lack of caring? What about nature?

The people close to me who are gay had parents (or one parent) that were flawed in the nurture category. My view is that the parents are not at fault, but it may be a natural thing to grow up gay or change your preference.

 

[Blues Man]

The people close to me who are gay had parents (or one parent) that were flawed in the nurture category. My view is that the parents are not at fault, but it may be a natural thing to grow up gay or change your preference.

Many gay people had loving and nurturing parents.

A person's sexual preference doesn't matter and whatever 2 consenting adults do that does not violate the rights of anyone else is no one's business.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I mean the natural scheme of things. I believe that it can be natural for a person to grow up being gay or change his or her preference. The people close to me who are gay have had parents who are flawed
in the nurture department.

You have people close to you who are gay? Do they know that you think that it's their parents "fault" and that they can change? Can you change?

 

[Bobob]

You have people close to you who are gay? Do they know that you think that it's their parents "fault" and that they can change? Can you change?

Can they change? Who knows? Can you change? What does "can they change" have to do with it? Nothing. "Changing" may be too late to have an influence.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Correct. I have never said LGBT don't have a right to participate in society. Glad you got that straight. The ten commandments are not society's laws. They are God's laws and there will be a judgment concerning our test on whether we kept them or not. I think homosexuals wish they weren't as well even with all the gay pride stuff.
I think that all marriages should be done by local magistrates. Then, religions can have their own ceremony for the religious rights. Many countries already do this. And, again, homosexual behavior is a religious evil and we are commanded to avoid the behavior. Be celibate or marry the opposite sex. There are those that do and are happy because they are keeping God's commandments. Do you have a problem with that?

Right, you never said LGBT don't have a right to participate in society. But you won't agree that they should have the right to FULL participation in society. That would include to marry the person who they are sexually and romantically attracted to . To say that they can be celibate or marry someone of the opposite sex is bigoted, selfish and stupid. You are a dogmatic theocrat who's mind has been poisoned by religion

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Can they change? Who knows? Can you change? What does "can they change" have to do with it? Nothing. "Changing" may be too late to have an influence.

I don't think that you are close to any gay people. I don't think that you even know any gay people and I doubt that there are any gay people who would want to know you

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Many gay people had loving and nurturing parents.

A person's sexual preference doesn't matter and whatever 2 consenting adults do that does not violate the rights of anyone else is no one's business.

https://www.usmessageboard.com/members/bobob.72408/ has some strange ideas

 

[GreatestIam]

They're created by nature, but nurtured and promoted by God, among his priests and worshippers. Cocksucking little faggots, that prey on our children. And God's cool with it. He's like "Hi five!" to his clergy. And family is like, "Heck yeah! Suck my children dry!"

Spirit. Proper.

Presentation for the spirit, poor.

Sounds way too much like me before reading to improve my presentation.

I am still a WIP. Work In Progress.

Good to meet you.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

DO NOT commit homosexual acts.

You are free to do as yoi please in THIS life, but God will judge whether you receive ETERNAL life after your 70 years here are over

Regards
CB

The fact that you cannot be honest to the fact that God put's love above sex, and your deflection into fiction, shows you running but unable to hide.

Pathetic apologetics my friend.

Such is what is helping kill Christianity.

Keep it up. Please..

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

And when told to do so, the religious leaders will make the followers kill and rape everyone who doesn't believe, take all their land and belongings, and capture the kids that survive as sex slaves.

This is history, folks. It's how religions roll.

I don't think God exists, and if he does he's oblivious, or he likes it. Pick your choice out of that... because those are the only true choices.

You are talking of a supernatural God. Right?

What of the notion that the word God is just an icon or presentation of spiritual ideal?

IOW, what was before Christians believed the satanic deception of a supernatural realm being real.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

What is God?

Further.
Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

DO NOT commit homosexual acts.

Why did your God create that "sin inclination" in souls?

No free will B,S, please I have that covered.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
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Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not to be rude or crude ---

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote.

You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Injustice is everyone's business, isn't it Fort?

Regards
DL

Yes, but who cares why they are bigots? Ask if their bigotry comes from religious fetish, upbringing, or just stupid fear. The onus is on them.

 

[GreatestIam]

He's right. 60 million aborted human beings tell up humans justify any behavior

Here could be an issue where we would agree.

In some ways, I like what Texas is doing.

Paying the more destitute colored to populate the state.

Where do you hail from?

If the whole of the U.S. does that!!!

Holly fuck.

The death of white rule.

Way to go, Johnny Reb.

Regards
DL

 

[Carl in Michigan]

kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son

A God who loves His creation. The Logos gave His life willingly so that we may share in His glory. This was planned from the beginning