Are democrats intentionally trying to lose the 2016 election?

[rightwinger]

Geeeez, you are thick headed. 84 votes in those two states. obama got both.

now, add 84 to romney's count and subtract 84 from obama's count-------who wins?

Those two states could have changed the result-------that was my only point.

this is not about political climate-----its about basic math.

Damn, but you libtards piss me off with your lunatic thought processes.

Yes and if fairies and leprechans supported Romney he would have won in a landslide

Your what if scenarios are ridiculous

and if the media had not been in a constant state of orgasm over obama they might have done their job and actually found out who and what the guy is.

They might have even found out what grade he got in Freshman English

 

[Redfish]

Yes and if fairies and leprechans supported Romney he would have won in a landslide

Your what if scenarios are ridiculous

and if the media had not been in a constant state of orgasm over obama they might have done their job and actually found out who and what the guy is.

They might have even found out what grade he got in Freshman English

or how a poor half breed with no money paid his tuition at columbia and harvard. Or whether he registered as a foreign student or as Barry Soetoro, or how he bought his house in Chitown through a crooked deal with Rezko, or how MIichelle got a high paying job at a hospital after barry had some state money funnelled to the hospital.

But no, the media just continued to orgasm over him and have those leg tingles over the first black president who would heal the racial wounds of the country and bring us all together-----------Uhhh, did any of that happen?

 

[expatriate]

You collective group of left wing idiots claimed that california and NY did not elect obama. I said that if those two states had gone to Romney he would have won,.
then I gave you the numbers to prove it.

Now in your insanity you are trying to change the topic because I destroyed you once again with facts.

you guys are like all liberals---------full of shit.

You're the one who brought up NY and CA. As an attempt to disparage Obama's victory.

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what I said: "California and New York elected obama in 2012."

The point being that those two states have enough electoral votes that the result would have been different if romney won them.

there was no bigger point. just pointing out that the left coast and the NY city have a disproportionate say in the electoral process.

Thats my opinion, you are welcome to disagree. hurling juvenile insults just makes you look more disengenuous than you usually do.

disproportionate? If anything, they have a disproportionately SMALLER say in the electoral process. If you look at the number of people in New York and California per electoral vote and compare that to sparsely populated states that STILL get their two electoral votes based upon their senators, you will see that the folks in the prairie dog states have much more influence, proportionately, in the presidential elections, than do those from very populous states.

The population of California: 37,253,956
The number of electoral votes for California: 55
The number of people who are represented by each electoral vote: 677,344


The population of Wyoming: 563,626
The number of electoral votes for Wyoming: 3
The number of people who are represented by each electoral vote: 187,875

So... the people in Wyoming have more than three times as much clout as the folks in California do in terms of electoral votes.

 

[rightwinger]

and if the media had not been in a constant state of orgasm over obama they might have done their job and actually found out who and what the guy is.

They might have even found out what grade he got in Freshman English

or how a poor half breed with no money paid his tuition at columbia and harvard. Or whether he registered as a foreign student or as Barry Soetoro, or how he bought his house in Chitown through a crooked deal with Rezko, or how MIichelle got a high paying job at a hospital after barry had some state money funnelled to the hospital.

But no, the media just continued to orgasm over him and have those leg tingles over the first black president who would heal the racial wounds of the country and bring us all together-----------Uhhh, did any of that happen?

LOL....Right on cue

 

[Katzndogz]

If the democrats cannot stop themselves from trying to repeal self defense laws, they don't have a prayer in 2014 or 2016. If the right to self defense (not even gun rights, just self defense rights) becomes a political issue, the democrats have already lost.

 

[rightwinger]

If the democrats cannot stop themselves from trying to repeal self defense laws, they don't have a prayer in 2014 or 2016. If the right to self defense (not even gun rights, just self defense rights) becomes a political issue, the democrats have already lost.

Democrats are pushing increased background checks and sensible gun restrictions on magazines and assault weapons

Gabby Giffords and Sandy Hook parents will haunt GOP Congressmen who blocked legislation.

Lets see who pays a political price

 

[AceRothstein]

You collective group of left wing idiots claimed that california and NY did not elect obama. I said that if those two states had gone to Romney he would have won,.
then I gave you the numbers to prove it.

Now in your insanity you are trying to change the topic because I destroyed you once again with facts.

you guys are like all liberals---------full of shit.

You're the one who brought up NY and CA. As an attempt to disparage Obama's victory.

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what I said: "California and New York elected obama in 2012."

The point being that those two states have enough electoral votes that the result would have been different if romney won them.

there was no bigger point. just pointing out that the left coast and the NY city have a disproportionate say in the electoral process.

Thats my opinion, you are welcome to disagree. hurling juvenile insults just makes you look more disengenuous than you usually do.

And if Bush would have lost Texas in 2000 or 2004, he wouldn't have won either election. Since Gore and Kerry didn't have a prayer in either state, it is a foolish statement to make.

Also, does Texas have a disproportionate say in the electoral process? I'll say no. The people in larger states on both sides actually aren't as well represented as the states with 3 electoral votes when it comes to presidential elections.

 

[rightwinger]

You're the one who brought up NY and CA. As an attempt to disparage Obama's victory.

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what I said: "California and New York elected obama in 2012."

The point being that those two states have enough electoral votes that the result would have been different if romney won them.

there was no bigger point. just pointing out that the left coast and the NY city have a disproportionate say in the electoral process.

Thats my opinion, you are welcome to disagree. hurling juvenile insults just makes you look more disengenuous than you usually do.

And if Bush would have lost Texas in 2000 or 2004, he wouldn't have won either election. Since Gore and Kerry didn't have a prayer in either state, it is a foolish statement to make.

Also, does Texas have a disproportionate say in the electoral process? I'll say no. The people in larger states on both sides actually aren't as well represented as the states with 3 electoral votes when it comes to presidential elections.

That is how Bush beat Gore in 2000 while getting less of the popular vote

 

[JoeB131]

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In 2014, it's probable that the GOP will make gains, but frankly, I don't see how the GOP changes the national dynamic in 2016. Women and minorities still don't trust them.

ALL women and ALL minorites??? are you fricken crazy? your stupid left wing generalizations just make you look more and more like a paid parrot who repeats bullshit and smiles as its being fed to him.

Obama got 56% of the Women's vote. Not seeing how the GOP fixes that by threatening to stick a wand up their hoo-has and trying to find adjectives to put in front of the word "Rape" helps that.

Obama got 94% of the black vote. Not seeing how screaming that Trayvon needed to die helps the GOP in that are.

Obama got 73% of the Hispanic vote. Not seeing how killing immigration reform helps them there.

As Lindsey Grahmn said, "There aren't enough white males to keep us in business." Oddly enough, the Teabaggers are talking about challenging Lindsey Grahmn.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You collective group of left wing idiots claimed that california and NY did not elect obama. I said that if those two states had gone to Romney he would have won,.
then I gave you the numbers to prove it.

Now in your insanity you are trying to change the topic because I destroyed you once again with facts.

you guys are like all liberals---------full of shit.

You're the one who brought up NY and CA. As an attempt to disparage Obama's victory.

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what I said: "California and New York elected obama in 2012."

The point being that those two states have enough electoral votes that the result would have been different if romney won them.

there was no bigger point. just pointing out that the left coast and the NY city have a disproportionate say in the electoral process.

Thats my opinion, you are welcome to disagree. hurling juvenile insults just makes you look more disengenuous than you usually do.

California and New York have a disproportionately LOWER say in the electoral process.

You have either have no idea how the electoral process works, or you have no idea what the word 'disproportionate' means.

 

[Redfish]

You're the one who brought up NY and CA. As an attempt to disparage Obama's victory.

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what I said: "California and New York elected obama in 2012."

The point being that those two states have enough electoral votes that the result would have been different if romney won them.

there was no bigger point. just pointing out that the left coast and the NY city have a disproportionate say in the electoral process.

Thats my opinion, you are welcome to disagree. hurling juvenile insults just makes you look more disengenuous than you usually do.

California and New York have a disproportionately LOWER say in the electoral process.

You have either have no idea how the electoral process works, or you have no idea what the word 'disproportionate' means.

proportionate would have each state with equal votes, just as each state has two senators. the EC is based on population, so it gives a disproportionate number of votes to states with large populations.

I am not saying that is right or wrong.

 

[Redfish]

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In 2014, it's probable that the GOP will make gains, but frankly, I don't see how the GOP changes the national dynamic in 2016. Women and minorities still don't trust them.

ALL women and ALL minorites??? are you fricken crazy? your stupid left wing generalizations just make you look more and more like a paid parrot who repeats bullshit and smiles as its being fed to him.

Obama got 56% of the Women's vote. Not seeing how the GOP fixes that by threatening to stick a wand up their hoo-has and trying to find adjectives to put in front of the word "Rape" helps that.

Obama got 94% of the black vote. Not seeing how screaming that Trayvon needed to die helps the GOP in that are.

Obama got 73% of the Hispanic vote. Not seeing how killing immigration reform helps them there.

As Lindsey Grahmn said, "There aren't enough white males to keep us in business." Oddly enough, the Teabaggers are talking about challenging Lindsey Grahmn.

you said "women and minorities still don't trust them" implying that ALL women and minorities don't trust them.

the stupid examples that you posted do not represent the majority view of republicans.

republicans do not want to take women's rights, but they are concerned about the rights of helpless unborn children

please tell me where the RNC or republicans in general have said that Trayvon needed to die. you are a frickin liar Joe.

wanting a secure border and a workable immigration policy is not "killing immigration" once again, you are a frickin liar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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what I said: "California and New York elected obama in 2012."

The point being that those two states have enough electoral votes that the result would have been different if romney won them.

there was no bigger point. just pointing out that the left coast and the NY city have a disproportionate say in the electoral process.

Thats my opinion, you are welcome to disagree. hurling juvenile insults just makes you look more disengenuous than you usually do.

California and New York have a disproportionately LOWER say in the electoral process.

You have either have no idea how the electoral process works, or you have no idea what the word 'disproportionate' means.

proportionate would have each state with equal votes, just as each state has two senators. the EC is based on population, so it gives a disproportionate number of votes to states with large populations.

I am not saying that is right or wrong.

Wrong.

Proportionate would mean you get electoral votes according to your population.

NY gets one electoral vote for every 675,000 people.

Wyoming, for example, gets one electoral vote for every 188,000 people.

Therefore, the smaller the state population, the more disproportionately higher their electoral vote is.

The opposite of what you're claiming.

Electoral Votes by State - For 2012

 

[JoeB131]

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you said "women and minorities still don't trust them" implying that ALL women and minorities don't trust them.

the stupid examples that you posted do not represent the majority view of republicans.

republicans do not want to take women's rights, but they are concerned about the rights of helpless unborn children

Most people don't consider fetuses to be children. So argument fail.

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please tell me where the RNC or republicans in general have said that Trayvon needed to die. you are a frickin liar Joe.

Oh, elected republicans are avoiding it like the plague, but the rank and file are just downright scary on the issue.

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wanting a secure border and a workable immigration policy is not "killing immigration" once again, you are a frickin liar.

Secure borders are a fantasy. Most illegals, by the way, are on expired visa, they didn't sneak under a fence. The very fact the GOP is ignoring its own consultants and appealling to the Bubba vote is the problem here.

The Bubbas have nowhere else to go.

 

[Redfish]

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what I said: "California and New York elected obama in 2012."

The point being that those two states have enough electoral votes that the result would have been different if romney won them.

there was no bigger point. just pointing out that the left coast and the NY city have a disproportionate say in the electoral process.

Thats my opinion, you are welcome to disagree. hurling juvenile insults just makes you look more disengenuous than you usually do.

And if Bush would have lost Texas in 2000 or 2004, he wouldn't have won either election. Since Gore and Kerry didn't have a prayer in either state, it is a foolish statement to make.

Also, does Texas have a disproportionate say in the electoral process? I'll say no. The people in larger states on both sides actually aren't as well represented as the states with 3 electoral votes when it comes to presidential elections.

That is how Bush beat Gore in 2000 while getting less of the popular vote

and I bet you were bitching about the EC after that election---right?

 

[expatriate]

ALL women and ALL minorites??? are you fricken crazy? your stupid left wing generalizations just make you look more and more like a paid parrot who repeats bullshit and smiles as its being fed to him.

Obama got 56% of the Women's vote. Not seeing how the GOP fixes that by threatening to stick a wand up their hoo-has and trying to find adjectives to put in front of the word "Rape" helps that.

Obama got 94% of the black vote. Not seeing how screaming that Trayvon needed to die helps the GOP in that are.

Obama got 73% of the Hispanic vote. Not seeing how killing immigration reform helps them there.

As Lindsey Grahmn said, "There aren't enough white males to keep us in business." Oddly enough, the Teabaggers are talking about challenging Lindsey Grahmn.

you said "women and minorities still don't trust them" implying that ALL women and minorities don't trust them.

the stupid examples that you posted do not represent the majority view of republicans.

republicans do not want to take women's rights, but they are concerned about the rights of helpless unborn children

please tell me where the RNC or republicans in general have said that Trayvon needed to die. you are a frickin liar Joe.

wanting a secure border and a workable immigration policy is not "killing immigration" once again, you are a frickin liar.

silly post. women and minorities voted for Obama. that doesn't mean that every single female and every single non-caucasian in America voted for him... it means that percentages that were significantly higher than a simple normal distribution voted for him. No one is suggesting that EVERY black in America votes democrat, but, regularly, 90+% do. The hispanic vote is the real killer for the GOP... it is a rapidly growing segment of the population in a lot of red states, and if the democrats pull three quarters of them, then there really WON'T be enough white angry men left to win elections for republicans.

Oh... and I laughed when you ran away from your stupid electoral college arguments... you even ran away from the one that said that NY and CA had disproportionately large impacts on election night.

You really need to get your political education from somewhere other than Faux News.

 

[JoeB131]

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That is how Bush beat Gore in 2000 while getting less of the popular vote

and I bet you were bitching about the EC after that election---right?[/QUOTE]

I was bitching about the EC before that election. It's a horrible system.

It's also one that helps Democrats more than Republicans.

If the GOP had brains, they'd be for getting rid of the EC.

The states the Democrats have won consistantly in the last 6 elections constitute 242 electoral votes.

The states that they won 5 out of 6 times ads another 15.

So that means the GOP has to get EVERYTHING right in the remaining states to have a shot of winning. And the Democrats only have to pick off one or two.

When Hispanic population growth flips Texas from Red to Blue, the Republicans will never win another election save for another demographic reallignment. like we had in 1968 or 1992.

 

[Redfish]

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you said "women and minorities still don't trust them" implying that ALL women and minorities don't trust them.

the stupid examples that you posted do not represent the majority view of republicans.

republicans do not want to take women's rights, but they are concerned about the rights of helpless unborn children

Most people don't consider fetuses to be children. So argument fail.

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please tell me where the RNC or republicans in general have said that Trayvon needed to die. you are a frickin liar Joe.

Oh, elected republicans are avoiding it like the plague, but the rank and file are just downright scary on the issue.

[
wanting a secure border and a workable immigration policy is not "killing immigration" once again, you are a frickin liar.

Secure borders are a fantasy. Most illegals, by the way, are on expired visa, they didn't sneak under a fence. The very fact the GOP is ignoring its own consultants and appealling to the Bubba vote is the problem here.

The Bubbas have nowhere else to go.

show me proof the "most" people do not consider an unborn child to be a human being. That is a bold faced lie, a vast majority of americans and citizens of the entire world do not support abortion as a birth control method.

the facts of the zimmerman case and the ruling of the jury support the contention that TM attacked GZ and GZ had the right to defend himself------its over. Yes, there some idiots on both sides that are saying stupid things, but your generalizations are totally wrong.

securing the borders includes enforcing visa limitations, its more than the physical enforcement of the border-----but I guess your left wing handlers did not tell you that.

 

[Redfish]

Obama got 56% of the Women's vote. Not seeing how the GOP fixes that by threatening to stick a wand up their hoo-has and trying to find adjectives to put in front of the word "Rape" helps that.

Obama got 94% of the black vote. Not seeing how screaming that Trayvon needed to die helps the GOP in that are.

Obama got 73% of the Hispanic vote. Not seeing how killing immigration reform helps them there.

As Lindsey Grahmn said, "There aren't enough white males to keep us in business." Oddly enough, the Teabaggers are talking about challenging Lindsey Grahmn.

you said "women and minorities still don't trust them" implying that ALL women and minorities don't trust them.

the stupid examples that you posted do not represent the majority view of republicans.

republicans do not want to take women's rights, but they are concerned about the rights of helpless unborn children

please tell me where the RNC or republicans in general have said that Trayvon needed to die. you are a frickin liar Joe.

wanting a secure border and a workable immigration policy is not "killing immigration" once again, you are a frickin liar.

silly post. women and minorities voted for Obama. that doesn't mean that every single female and every single non-caucasian in America voted for him... it means that percentages that were significantly higher than a simple normal distribution voted for him. No one is suggesting that EVERY black in America votes democrat, but, regularly, 90+% do. The hispanic vote is the real killer for the GOP... it is a rapidly growing segment of the population in a lot of red states, and if the democrats pull three quarters of them, then there really WON'T be enough white angry men left to win elections for republicans.

Oh... and I laughed when you ran away from your stupid electoral college arguments... you even ran away from the one that said that NY and CA had disproportionately large impacts on election night.

You really need to get your political education from somewhere other than Faux News.

Run away? nope, I simply destroyed your politically biased bullshit position with simple facts. in the post above you confirm the point I was trying to make. because of the EC, NY and CA have more that 1/50th of the state voting power. without those two states it becomes very difficult for any candidate of either party to win.

again, I am not taking a position on whether that is right or wrong. If we used the popular vote those states would still have more voting power than any other. Its just a simple fact.

My only point, that you seem too dense to grasp, is that the states with small populations do not have much say in who becomes president--no matter which system is used.

 

[Redfish]

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That is how Bush beat Gore in 2000 while getting less of the popular vote

and I bet you were bitching about the EC after that election---right?

I was bitching about the EC before that election. It's a horrible system.

It's also one that helps Democrats more than Republicans.

If the GOP had brains, they'd be for getting rid of the EC.

The states the Democrats have won consistantly in the last 6 elections constitute 242 electoral votes.

The states that they won 5 out of 6 times ads another 15.

So that means the GOP has to get EVERYTHING right in the remaining states to have a shot of winning. And the Democrats only have to pick off one or two.

When Hispanic population growth flips Texas from Red to Blue, the Republicans will never win another election save for another demographic reallignment. like we had in 1968 or 1992.[/QUOTE]

right, hispanics are going to be very happy about the way obama and DOJ are attacking zimmerman after a trial found him not guilty.

if we dump the EC the west coast and the NE still would control the elections.