Are Beheadings Covered by the Geneva Convention?

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Ann's in top form with this article. I think McCain's pandering to his liberal constituency on this issue. Why in the world would you extend the provisions of the Geneva Convention to a gang of outlaws who fight for no country or flag; wear no uniforms (except for a face mask), give allegiance only to a "religion", and have no respect or belief in the principles hammered out in the Geneva Convention? In this case, I say fight fire with fire until you are victorious; then you can try to make nice, upright, civilized people out of these Islamofacists--if that would in any way be possible.

Are Videotaped Beheadings Covered by Geneva?
By Ann Coulter, Human Events
Septemeber 20, 2006

Sen. John McCain has been carrying so much water for his friends in the mainstream media that he now has to state for the record to Republican audiences: "I hold no brief for al Qaeda." Well, that's a relief.

It turns out, the only reason McCain is demanding that prisoners like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, the beheading of journalist Daniel Pearl and other atrocities -- be treated like Martha Stewart facing an insider trading charge is this: "It's all about the United States of America and what is going to happen to Americans who are taken prisoner in future wars."

McCain, along with Sen. Lindsey Graham and Sen. John Warner -- or, as the Times now calls him, the "courtly Virginian" -- want terrorists treated like Americans accused of crimes, with full access to classified information against them and a list of the undercover agents involved in their capture. Liberals' interest in protecting classified information started and ended with Valerie Plame.

As Graham explained, he doesn't want procedures used against terrorists at Guantanamo "to become clubs to be used against our people." Actually, clubs would be a step up from videotaped beheadings.

Or as the New York Times wrote in the original weasel talking points earlier this summer: "The Geneva Conventions protect Americans. If this country changes the rules, it's changing the rules for Americans taken prisoner abroad. That is far too high a price to pay so this administration can hang on to its misbegotten policies."

There hasn't been this much railing about the mistreatment of a hostage since Monica Lewinsky was served canapes at the Pentagon City Ritz-Carlton Hotel while being detained by the FBI.

The belief that we can impress the enemy with our magnanimity is an idea that just won't die. It's worse than the idea that paying welfare recipients benefits won't discourage them from working. (Some tiny minority might still seek work.) It's worse than the idea that taxes can be raised endlessly without reducing tax receipts. (As the Laffer Curve illustrates, at some point -- a point this country will never reach -- taxes could theoretically be cut so much that tax revenues would decline.)

But being nice to enemies is an idea that has never worked, no matter how many times liberals make us do it. It didn't work with the Soviet Union, Imperial Japan, Hitler or the North Vietnamese -- enemies notable for being more civilized than the Islamic savages we are at war with today.

By the way, how did the Geneva Conventions work out for McCain at the Hanoi Hilton?

It doesn't even work with the Democrats, whom Bush kept sucking up to his first year in office. No more movie nights at the White House with Teddy Kennedy these days, I'm guessing.

It was this idea (Be nice!) that fueled liberals' rage at Reagan when he vanquished the Soviet Union with his macho "cowboy diplomacy" that was going to get us all blown up. As the Times editorial page hysterically described Reagan's first year in office: "Mr. Reagan looked at the world through gun sights." Yes, he did! And now the Evil Empire is no more.

It was this idiotic idea of being nice to predators that drove liberal crime policies in the '60s and '70s -- leading like night into day to unprecedented crime rates. Now these same liberal ninnies want to extend their tender mercies not just to rapists and murderers, but to Islamic terrorists.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Ronald Reagan and Winston Churchill had a different idea: Instead of rewarding bad behavior, punish bad behavior. How many times does punishment have to work and coddling have to fail before we never have to hear again that if we treat terrorists well, the terrorists will treat our prisoners well?

Fortunately, history always begins this morning for liberals, so they can keep flogging the same idiotic idea that has never, ever worked: Be nice to our enemies and they will reward us with good behavior.

Never mind trusting liberals with national security. Never mind trusting them with raising kids. These people shouldn't even be allowed to own pets.

If the Democrats and the four pathetic Republicans angling to be called "mavericks" by the New York Times really believe we need to treat captured terrorists nicely in order to ensure that the next American they capture will be well-treated, then why stop at 600-thread-count sheets for the Guantanamo detainees? We must adopt Sharia law.

As McCain might put it, I hold no brief for al Qaeda, but what would better protect Americans they take prisoner than if America went whole hog and became an Islamic republic? On the plus side, we can finally put Rosie O'Donnell in a burka.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17148
 

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It is obvious that ANY treaty (including the Geneva Conventions) is only as good as the signatories' adherence to it. The worst part of the Geneva Convention is that it extends its tenets to non-signatories as well. I suspect some bleeding heart liberal put that little twist in there.
 

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Treat captured prisoners with dignity ? The liberals can't even treat the President of the United States, religion, unborn children or our education system with dignity. Anyone who buys this sentiment needs several well placed kicks in the ass.
 

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I strongly believe in freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.

The Geneva Convention is unfair and obsolete in the sense that countries must adhere to it, but how do you get a free floating, intercontinental, international group like Al Qaeda to follow it? Then when you catch them they hide behind their national origin and claim their rights.

The Geneva Convention did not envision a time when the enemy would not be a specific country or alliance.

If Al Qaeda wants to hide by not having a specific location or country, maybe Al Qaeda members should not be entitled to international conventions. Treat them like aliens landing on planet earth if they are stateless.
 

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I strongly believe in freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.

The Geneva Convention is unfair and obsolete in the sense that countries must adhere to it, but how do you get a free floating, intercontinental, international group like Al Qaeda to follow it? Then when you catch them they hide behind their national origin and claim their rights.

The Geneva Convention did not envision a time when the enemy would not be a specific country or alliance.

If Al Qaeda wants to hide by not having a specific location or country, maybe Al Qaeda members should not be entitled to international conventions. Treat them like aliens landing on planet earth if they are stateless.
It is ironic that the current batch of terrorists do not view beheading, rape, torture and/or mutilation as cruel and unusual unishment. Maybe we should adhere to THEIR standards!
 
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The Geneva Convention did not envision a time when the enemy would not be a specific country or alliance.
Too bad McCain and Lindsay Graham weren't smart enough to think of that.
 

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McCain exposed---Again--Hopefully all doubts about his unsuitablity for President have been confirmed. Why anyone would want a wussy in the White House in times such as these is beyond me.
 

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McCain exposed---Again--Hopefully all doubts about his unsuitablity for President have been confirmed. Why anyone would want a wussy in the White House in times such as these is beyond me.
Now McCain is a wussy? The man is simply trying to remind people what The US is and all about. Freedom from tyranny. Freedom from torture. McCain was exposed to such harsh treatment in Hanoi. If you don't like him, then don't vote for him, but don't belittle what he has done for this country. Calling him a wussy does just this.
 

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Now McCain is a wussy? The man is simply trying to remind people what The US is and all about. Freedom from tyranny. Freedom from torture. McCain was exposed to such harsh treatment in Hanoi. If you don't like him, then don't vote for him, but don't belittle what he has done for this country. Calling him a wussy does just this.
Damn straight he's a wussy. Fighting for America doesn't give anyone a pass to espouse policies to weaken America for his own political gain. He'd sell his soul to the devil to get elected. I warned people LONG ago about this guys bullshit. If he can get terrorists to give up thier weapons and thier ways I might consider him for mayor in some time small town in Mexico.
 

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Stop watching Al Jazeera.
Comcast doesn't offer Al Jazeera. I wouldn't watch it anyway. If I want slanted news, CNN does just fine. :D

Just trying to invoke some analytical thought.
 

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I strongly believe in freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.

The Geneva Convention is unfair and obsolete in the sense that countries must adhere to it, but how do you get a free floating, intercontinental, international group like Al Qaeda to follow it? Then when you catch them they hide behind their national origin and claim their rights.

The Geneva Convention did not envision a time when the enemy would not be a specific country or alliance.

If Al Qaeda wants to hide by not having a specific location or country, maybe Al Qaeda members should not be entitled to international conventions. Treat them like aliens landing on planet earth if they are stateless.
I find it comical that some want us to harken back to WWII as an example of how to now treat terrorists, but I would remind them that even the Japanese at that time were slitting throats, and castrating our soldiers as they lay on the ground wounded.
 

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What happened to seeing war crimes on TV and saying, "US soldiers don't do that?"
I still say that, with an addition at the end. I say, "US soldiers don't do that! Why the hell are our own countrymen accusing them of it?"

There's only one thing these terrorists desire more than they hate everything else, and that's those virgins in heaven. When they misbehave and refuse to take, I say we swipe their prayer rugs, spin them around in a windowless room, and then let them guess which way Mecca is 5 times a day, at least while they're not being questioned. Then we feed them nothing but rice and beans. I bet that isn't against any Islamic dietary law. If they behave, then they get the comforts we give them now.
 

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Comcast doesn't offer Al Jazeera. I wouldn't watch it anyway. If I want slanted news, CNN does just fine. :D

Just trying to invoke some analytical thought.
Here is some analytical thought for ya: The US military does not train recruits to intentionally target civilians (despite what some would have you believe) nor do they train recruits to behead prisoners. There are NO military training manuals that advocate the destruction of an entire race, creed, or color.

Do some US military members commit war crimes? Yep, but they are by far in the minority and those who are accused of such are tried and, if convicted, punished. Do terrorists commit war crimes? Yep, and they are rewarded by not only their own culture but by many others as well (Arafat given a Nobel Prize??? PULEEEZE!)

So in answer to your thought provoking question:

That's right. US soldiers don't do that!
 

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Here is some analytical thought for ya: The US military does not train recruits to intentionally target civilians (despite what some would have you believe) nor do they train recruits to behead prisoners. There are NO military training manuals that advocate the destruction of an entire race, creed, or color.

Do some US military members commit war crimes? Yep, but they are by far in the minority and those who are accused of such are tried and, if convicted, punished. Do terrorists commit war crimes? Yep, and they are rewarded by not only their own culture but by many others as well (Arafat given a Nobel Prize??? PULEEEZE!)

So in answer to your thought provoking question:

That's right. US soldiers don't do that!
I was merely pointing out a flaw in the thinking that US soldiers are commiting war crimes. I was trying to invoke a debate about why people think that US soldiers are committing war crimes. The reason is that everyone wants to compare the US Military to the terrorists. What the military is doing is in no way comparable to what terrorist are doing. Ann Coulter compared McCain's statements on torture to the beheadings of non-combatants. Yes, the terrorists are beheading non-combatants, yet it has nothing to do with torturing enemy combatants. Torture is a war crime. Comparable to beheading? No. But it is a war crime, none the less. Is it necessary? That is not for any of us to decide. The US Military should have sole authority in executing strategy while protecting the safety and security of troops, intel, and the security of tactical operations.
 
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I was merely pointing out a flaw in the thinking that US soldiers are commiting war crimes. I was trying to invoke a debate about why people think that US soldiers are committing war crimes. The reason is that everyone wants to compare the US Military to the terrorists. What the military is doing is in no way comparable to what terrorist are doing. Ann Coulter compared McCain's statements on torture to the beheadings of non-combatants. Yes, the terrorists are beheading non-combatants, yet it has nothing to do with torturing enemy combatants. Torture is a war crime. Comparable to beheading? No. But it is a war crime, none the less. Is it necessary? That is not for any of us to decide. The US Military should have sole authority in executing strategy while protecting the safety and security of troops, intel, and the security of tactical operations.


What is torture as defined...anything that makes a person feel 'Uncomfortable'
This could mean if one has a phobia against taking a shower and a soldier made this idiot take one he would be guilty of torture...get the picture?...As for what was accused of the troops at the Iraq prison...was it torture...I suppose as defined...however if I were captured and they made me put panties on my head or strip naked...or bark like a dog would I break no...but I would probably be relieved that I still had my head!...And I would probably laugh like hell!
 

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