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Islam means "submission or obedience" in English, and a Muslim is more or less a "subject" if I recall correctly.

People who in some way consider themselves or others to be in submission to God's law — how else are you going to say that in a language like Arabic?

Not all those people agree on who's a Muslim and who's not. Why do you think they fight so much with each other if not with outsiders?
your observation is silly-----muslims KNOW what they MEAN when they speak arabic and refer to a
person as MUSLIMI -----it ain't YAHUD. For the record -----both hebrew and arabic is built on "ROOT WORDS" ----generally for hebrew---three letters.
As I understand it---the word MUSLIM is built on
the three letter root that refers to "completeness"
or "resolution" ----S L M In hebrew the root is
Sh L M (SH is one letter) The fact that muslims built a word to refer to their RELIGION IS an S L M
word is a moot point. When you hear the word
MUSLIMI in arabic-----it means a MUSLIM like
one of the Ayatoilets. When you hear the word
YAHUD-----expect ITBACH which means something like DEATH TO
 

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Islam is the youngest of the major faiths, so of course. The Arabs in the Saudi peninsula were Islam was created were idolators and moon worshippers, and Mohammad named god “allah” after one of the moon gods in order to gain the allegiance of his tribe.

Totally wrong.
The word "Allah" is just the translated generic word for "god" and is not a name at all.
And Mohammad used the Old Testament for Islam.
Essentially Islam is a slightly reformed Judaism, but where women were given more rights.
The main groups of Arabs in the Saudi peninsula that Mohammad used as allies, were the 12 Jewish tribes.
 

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No, but it reminds us that all Hebrew/Jews are originally of Arab descent.
you actually imagine that the your idiocy has
an impact on ANYTHING. I am reminded that
you are of dog shit descent
 

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No, but it reminds us that all Hebrew/Jews are originally of Arab descent.
rigsie is using islamic honored technique of the
famouse muslim JOSEF GEOBBELS----to wit
"JUST KEEP REPEATING SHIT AND ALLAH BEGINS
TO BELIEVE IT"
 

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you actually imagine that the your idiocy has
an impact on ANYTHING. I am reminded that
you are of dog shit descent

Most of the language of the Land of Canaan, are of Arab origin.
That is what the word "Semitic" means, "of an Arab language group".
And language is the best way to trace lineage.
Hebrew were Semitic, and spoke an Arab language.
So since most Jews are of Hebrew decent, they are Arabs.
Most of the tribes of the Mideast are of Arab origins.
The Canaanites, Amorites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Philistines, etc., are all Arab.
About the only ones who are not, are the Persians.
 

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rigsie is using islamic honored technique of the
famouse muslim JOSEF GEOBBELS----to wit
"JUST KEEP REPEATING SHIT AND ALLAH BEGINS
TO BELIEVE IT"

Just read your history books.
Clearly the word "Semitic" means of an Arab language group", and the Hebrew were a branch of Arabs.

{...
Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples or Proto-Semitic people were Western Asian people who lived throughout the ancient Near East, including the Levant, Mesopotamia, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Horn of Africa from the 3rd millennium BC until the end of antiquity.

Their languages are usually divided into three branches: East, Central and South Semitic languages. The Proto-Semitic language was likely spoken in the 4th millennium BC, and the oldest attested forms of Semitic date to the mid-3rd millennium BC (the Early Bronze Age).

Speakers of East Semitic include the people of the Akkadian Empire, Assyria and Babylonia. Central Semitic combines the Northwest Semitic languages and Arabic. Speakers of Northwest Semitic were the Canaanites (including the Phoenicians and the Hebrews) and the Arameans. South Semitic peoples include the speakers of Modern South Arabian languages and Ethiopian Semitic languages.
...}

The Hebrew were clearly related to Canaanites and Phoenicians.
Language is the best way to trace genetic origins.
 

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Most of the language of the Land of Canaan, are of Arab origin.
That is what the word "Semitic" means, "of an Arab language group".
And language is the best way to trace lineage.
Hebrew were Semitic, and spoke an Arab language.
So since most Jews are of Hebrew decent, they are Arabs.
Most of the tribes of the Mideast are of Arab origins.
The Canaanites, Amorites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Philistines, etc., are all Arab.
About the only ones who are not, are the Persians.
you are very confused. Arabic---(THE LANGUAGE)
developed in the area today called "SAUDI ARABIA" English developed in the area which is today called
"England".. I speak english but am not descended
from people native to England. Hebrew developed
in the area today called "Israel" The Philistines
did not speak arabic nor did the Canaanites
 

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you are very confused. Arabic---(THE LANGUAGE)
developed in the area today called "SAUDI ARABIA" English developed in the area which is today called
"England".. I speak english but am not descended
from people native to England. Hebrew developed
in the area today called "Israel" The Philistines
did not speak arabic nor did the Canaanites

No, you are confusing Arabic with Old Arabic and other Arab languages that preceded Arabic.
Arabic is just one of the more recent Arab languages.
But the history of Arab languages goes back to before 10,000 BC in the Land of Canaan.
Arab languages are some of the oldest in the whole world.
One of the Arab language before Arabic is called Old Arabic.

{...
Old Arabic is the name for the pre-Islamic Arabic dialects and languages. The oldest attestation of the Arabic language goes back to Bayer, Jordan written in Ancient North Arabian script that is undifferentiated from other scripts of North Arabia.[1] The Old Arabic languages and dialects were written in many scripts like Safaitic, Hismaic, Nabatean, Thamudic, Dadanitic and even Greek.[2]
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Old Arabic and its descendants are classified Central Semitic languages, which is an intermediate language group containing the older Northwest Semitic languages (e.g., Aramaic and Hebrew), the languages of the Dadanitic, Taymanitic inscriptions, the poorly understood languages labeled Thamudic, and the ancient languages of Yemen written in the Ancient South Arabian script. Old Arabic, is however, distinguished from all of them by the following innovations:[3]
  1. negative particles m */mā/; lʾn */lā-ʾan/ > CAr lan
  2. mafʿūl G-passive participle
  3. prepositions and adverbs f, ʿn, ʿnd, ḥt, ʿkdy
  4. a subjunctive in -a
  5. t-demonstratives
  6. leveling of the -at allomorph of the feminine ending
  7. the use of f- to introduce modal clauses
  8. independent object pronoun in (ʾ)y
  9. vestiges of nunation
...
The oldest known attestation of the Arabic language dubbed as pre-Historic Arabic language is a bi-lingual inscription written in Old Arabic which was written in the undifferentiated North Arabian script and Canaanite which remains undeciphered.[2]
...}

The Hebrew did NOT develop anywhere near what is now called Israel.
The Hebrew would not have ever gone to Egypt if they had lived in what is now Israel, because that was the Land of Canaan, was always occupied by Canaanites, we know the history of the Land of Canaan, and it does not contain any Hebrew, and there was no drought in the Land of Canaan.
The only place that did have a drought, was the Sinai, so the Hebrew likely came from the Sinai.

And the Hebrew language is a version of Old Arabic.

The Philistines and Canaanites spoke a version of Old Arabic.
 

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No, you are confusing Arabic with Old Arabic and other Arab languages that preceded Arabic.
Arabic is just one of the more recent Arab languages.
But the history of Arab languages goes back to before 10,000 BC in the Land of Canaan.
Arab languages are some of the oldest in the whole world.
One of the Arab language before Arabic is called Old Arabic.

{...
Old Arabic is the name for the pre-Islamic Arabic dialects and languages. The oldest attestation of the Arabic language goes back to Bayer, Jordan written in Ancient North Arabian script that is undifferentiated from other scripts of North Arabia.[1] The Old Arabic languages and dialects were written in many scripts like Safaitic, Hismaic, Nabatean, Thamudic, Dadanitic and even Greek.[2]
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Old Arabic and its descendants are classified Central Semitic languages, which is an intermediate language group containing the older Northwest Semitic languages (e.g., Aramaic and Hebrew), the languages of the Dadanitic, Taymanitic inscriptions, the poorly understood languages labeled Thamudic, and the ancient languages of Yemen written in the Ancient South Arabian script. Old Arabic, is however, distinguished from all of them by the following innovations:[3]
  1. negative particles m */mā/; lʾn */lā-ʾan/ > CAr lan
  2. mafʿūl G-passive participle
  3. prepositions and adverbs f, ʿn, ʿnd, ḥt, ʿkdy
  4. a subjunctive in -a
  5. t-demonstratives
  6. leveling of the -at allomorph of the feminine ending
  7. the use of f- to introduce modal clauses
  8. independent object pronoun in (ʾ)y
  9. vestiges of nunation
...
The oldest known attestation of the Arabic language dubbed as pre-Historic Arabic language is a bi-lingual inscription written in Old Arabic which was written in the undifferentiated North Arabian script and Canaanite which remains undeciphered.[2]
...}

The Hebrew did NOT develop anywhere near what is now called Israel.
The Hebrew would not have ever gone to Egypt if they had lived in what is now Israel, because that was the Land of Canaan, was always occupied by Canaanites, we know the history of the Land of Canaan, and it does not contain any Hebrew, and there was no drought in the Land of Canaan.
The only place that did have a drought, was the Sinai, so the Hebrew likely came from the Sinai.

And the Hebrew language is a version of Old Arabic.

The Philistines and Canaanites spoke a version of Old Arabic.
you remain very confused
 

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Totally wrong.
The word "Allah" is just the translated generic word for "god" and is not a name at all.
And Mohammad used the Old Testament for Islam.
Essentially Islam is a slightly reformed Judaism, but where women were given more rights.
The main groups of Arabs in the Saudi peninsula that Mohammad used as allies, were the 12 Jewish tribes.
Muhammad read the "OLD TESTAMENT"? ---that
meccan caravan robber could neither read nor write. There were 12 jewish tribes in the Saudi Penninsula? when and where?
 

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you remain very confused

The reality is that Arabs, like all humans, came from Africa by land.
Which means they went to the Levant first, before going to the Arabian Peninsula.
So the Arab in the Levant, like the Canaanites, Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, etc., predated the Arab in the Arabian Peninsula.
The Canaanites for example, go back to 8,000 BC.
That is before any settlements in the Arabian Peninsula.

Hebrew is of Arab origins.
Therefore, Jews are of Arab origins as well.
 

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Muhammad read the "OLD TESTAMENT"? ---that
meccan caravan robber could neither read nor write. There were 12 jewish tribes in the Saudi Penninsula? when and where?

The 12 Jewish tribes of the Arabian Peninsula, after all Jews left the Levant under Roman Diaspora Decree.

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Some of the Jewish tribes of Arabia historically attested include:

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Totally wrong.
The word "Allah" is just the translated generic word for "god" and is not a name at all.
And Mohammad used the Old Testament for Islam.
Essentially Islam is a slightly reformed Judaism, but where women were given more rights.
The main groups of Arabs in the Saudi peninsula that Mohammad used as allies, were the 12 Jewish tribes.

LOLOL..No they weren't 12 Jewish tribes. They were a small minority in a country that had a tiny population.. Finally most of them left and returned to Jericho.

The first Muslims fled to the protection of the Christian King in East Africa.
 

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LOLOL..No they weren't 12 Jewish tribes. They were a small minority in a country that had a tiny population.. Finally most of them left and returned to Jericho.

The first Muslims fled to the protection of the Christian King in East Africa.

Mohammad was being attacked by the Meccans who were not monotheists.
Mohammad went to Medina to defend himself.
There he allied with local Jewish tribes, some of which were before the Roman Diaspora Decree, and some after.
Not all Jews left, and Jews always played a large role in Islamic governments, especially around the Mediterranean, like the Moors going into the Iberian Peninsula.
 

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Mohammad was being attacked by the Meccans who were not monotheists.
Mohammad went to Medina to defend himself.
There he allied with local Jewish tribes, some of which were before the Roman Diaspora Decree, and some after.
Not all Jews left, and Jews always played a large role in Islamic governments, especially around the Mediterranean, like the Moors going into the Iberian Peninsula.

Actually Muhammed went to Medina as a mediator. Why do you inflate the Jewish presence in Arabia? They weren't too popular after the Jewish king burned the Christians of Najran in an attempt at forced conversion.
 

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Muhammad read the "OLD TESTAMENT"? ---that
meccan caravan robber could neither read nor write. There were 12 jewish tribes in the Saudi Penninsula? when and where?

Muhammed managed caravans all over the region so he had talked with Christians, Jews, Zoroasterians before his visions in the cave.. The Nestorians had Bishiprics in Arabia in Tarut and Najran before Muhammed was born when the Jewish king of Yemen burned the Christians.
 

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Actually Muhammed went to Medina as a mediator. Why do you inflate the Jewish presence in Arabia? They weren't too popular after the Jewish king burned the Christians of Najran in an attempt at forced conversion.

Mohammad is the one who was quoted as speaking much about the Jews around Medina.
But I agree he originally played mediator between Jewish factions.

The king who burned Christians of Najran seems not only to be a recent covert, but seriously unstable.

{....
Ibn Hisham's Sirat Rasul Allah (better known in English as the Life of Muhammad), describes the exploits of Yūsuf Dhū Nuwās. Ibn Hisham explains that Yūsuf was a convert Jew who grew out his sidelocks (nuwas), and who became known as "he of sidelocks." The historicity of Dhū Nuwās is affirmed by Philostorgius and by Procopius (in the latter's Persian War). Procopius writes that in 525, the armies of the Christian Kingdom of Axum in Ethiopia invaded Yemen at the request of the Byzantine Emperor, Justin I, to take control of the Jewish kingdom in Ḥimyar, then under the leadership of Yūsuf Dhū Nuwās, who rose to power in 522, probably after he assassinated Dhu Shanatir. Ibn Hisham explains the same sequence of events under the name of "Yūsuf Dhū Nuwās." Indeed, with this invasion, the Ḥimyarites were smitten, and as such the supremacy of the Jewish religion in the Kingdom of Ḥimyar, as well as in all of Yemen, came to an abrupt end. Imrū al-Qays, the famous Yemeni poet from the same period, in his poem entitled taqūl lī bint al-kinda lammā ‘azafat, laments the death of two great men of Yemen, one of them being Dhū Nuwās, whom he regards as the last of the Himyarite kings:
...
According to Ibn Ishaq, the king of Himyar named Dhu Nuwas had burned the Christians in Najran, and an invading army from Aksum (Habashah) occupied Yemen. Dhu Nuwas decided to kill himself by drowning himself in the sea. Arab tradition states that Dhū Nuwās committed suicide by riding his horse into the Red Sea. The Himyarite kingdom is said to have been ruled prior to Dhu-Nuwas by the Du Yazan dynasty of Jewish converts, as early as the late fourth century.[5]

According to a number of medieval historians, who depend on the account of John of Ephesus, Dhū Nuwās announced that he would persecute the Christians living in his kingdom because Christian states persecuted his fellow co-religionists in their realms; a letter survives written by Simon, the bishop of Beth Arsham in 524 CE, recounting Dimnon (who is probably Dhū Nuwās') persecution in Najran in Arabia.[6]

Based on other contemporary sources, after seizing the throne of the Ḥimyarites in ca. 518 or 523 Dhū Nuwās attacked Najran and its inhabitants, capturing them and burning their churches. After accepting the city's capitulation, he massacred those inhabitants who would not renounce Christianity. According to the Arab historians, Dhū Nuwās then proceeded to write a letter to the Lakhmid king Al-Mundhir III ibn al-Nu'man of al-Ḥīrah and King Kavadh I of Persia, informing them of his deed and encouraging them to do likewise to the Christians under their dominion. Al-Mundhir received this letter in January 519, as he was receiving an embassy from Constantinople seeking to forge a peace between the Roman Empire and al-Ḥīrha.[7] He revealed the contents of the letter to the Roman ambassadors who were horrified by its contents. Word of the slaughter quickly spread throughout the Roman and Persian realms, and refugees from Najran even reached the court of the Roman emperor Justin I himself, begging him to avenge the martyred Christians.
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No, you are confusing Arabic with Old Arabic and other Arab languages that preceded Arabic.
Arabic is just one of the more recent Arab languages.
But the history of Arab languages goes back to before 10,000 BC in the Land of Canaan.
Arab languages are some of the oldest in the whole world.
One of the Arab language before Arabic is called Old Arabic.

{...
Old Arabic is the name for the pre-Islamic Arabic dialects and languages. The oldest attestation of the Arabic language goes back to Bayer, Jordan written in Ancient North Arabian script that is undifferentiated from other scripts of North Arabia.[1] The Old Arabic languages and dialects were written in many scripts like Safaitic, Hismaic, Nabatean, Thamudic, Dadanitic and even Greek.[2]
...
Old Arabic and its descendants are classified Central Semitic languages, which is an intermediate language group containing the older Northwest Semitic languages (e.g., Aramaic and Hebrew), the languages of the Dadanitic, Taymanitic inscriptions, the poorly understood languages labeled Thamudic, and the ancient languages of Yemen written in the Ancient South Arabian script. Old Arabic, is however, distinguished from all of them by the following innovations:[3]
  1. negative particles m */mā/; lʾn */lā-ʾan/ > CAr lan
  2. mafʿūl G-passive participle
  3. prepositions and adverbs f, ʿn, ʿnd, ḥt, ʿkdy
  4. a subjunctive in -a
  5. t-demonstratives
  6. leveling of the -at allomorph of the feminine ending
  7. the use of f- to introduce modal clauses
  8. independent object pronoun in (ʾ)y
  9. vestiges of nunation
...
The oldest known attestation of the Arabic language dubbed as pre-Historic Arabic language is a bi-lingual inscription written in Old Arabic which was written in the undifferentiated North Arabian script and Canaanite which remains undeciphered.[2]
...}

The Hebrew did NOT develop anywhere near what is now called Israel.
The Hebrew would not have ever gone to Egypt if they had lived in what is now Israel, because that was the Land of Canaan, was always occupied by Canaanites, we know the history of the Land of Canaan, and it does not contain any Hebrew, and there was no drought in the Land of Canaan.
The only place that did have a drought, was the Sinai, so the Hebrew likely came from the Sinai.

And the Hebrew language is a version of Old Arabic.

The Philistines and Canaanites spoke a version of Old Arabic.
Once again, you got everything ass backwards. Your claim belongs in the conspiracy section. Israel literally has thousands of archeological sites and artifacts that prove conclusively that the Hebrews migrated and took over the land thousands of years ago, and mixed with the Canaanites in many instances. The language, culture and religion was brought and flourished in the land. This is irrefutable proof, you can bang your head on the wall all that you want. The Jews are going nowhere. Israel is the Jewish spiritual, religious and cultural homeland.

The Arabic language is a relatively young one, and it's origins are from the Arabian peninsula. Case closed.


The Arabic Language has been around for well over 1000 years. It is believed to have originated in the Arabian Peninsula. It was first spoken by nomadic tribes in the northwestern frontier of the Peninsula. In fact, Arabic, means “nomadic.” Arabs (aka nomads), from which the word Arabic is derived, primarily occupied the area between Mesopotamia to the east to the Lebanon mountains in the west, to the Sinai in the south, and from northwestern Arabia to the Sinai in the south.
 
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Muhammed managed caravans all over the region so he had talked with Christians, Jews, Zoroasterians before his visions in the cave.. The Nestorians had Bishiprics in Arabia in Tarut and Najran before Muhammed was born when the Jewish king of Yemen burned the Christians.
Mohammad also told his followers that it's okay to attack and loot caravans and rape and pillage during the month of Ramadan, if it was to further Islam. This was a first since in the the month of Ramadan prior to the appearance of Mohammad and Islam, it was customary that is was a time of rest and peace. Look it up.
 

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