AR-15 bullet "has so much energy that it can disintegrate 3 inches of leg bone. It would just turn it to dust” -Donald Jenkins, trauma surgeon @UTexas

[2aguy]

First off, rifles by their nature, fire much heavier cartridges, which means much higher combustion pressure, which means much higher muzzle energy / velocity then from a pistol.

And at the range of a mass public shooting, it doesn't make a difference....the only mass public shooting where a rifle actually mattered was Las Vegas where the range to the crowd was about 400 meters....

And again......firing from a concealed, fortified location, into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people, at night.......he murdered 60 people...wounded 411, not all by gun fire.....

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France, driving a box truck murdered 86, and wounded 435.....

Box trucks are deadlier than AR-15 rifles and thus, according to you, they need to be banned.

 

[miketx]

The whole point is that with experience comes knowledge. Knowing what is "bullet proof" and what isn't. So when you hear tales of a silver dollar, or a zippo lighter stopping a bullet, it's a subset of available cartridges.

here is the wound channel created by a zippo lighter. No telling how many mega joules were expended.

Here is some serious tumbling damage.

 

[Missourian]

First off, rifles by their nature, fire much heavier cartridges, which means much higher combustion pressure, which means much higher muzzle energy / velocity then from a pistol.

This is not true.

The most popular rounds sold for each is 150 to 180 grain.

Edit- sorry...misread. Thought we were still talkin 30-30 vs 30-06.

 

[postman]

You are trying to say the 5.56 is a special bullet...it isn't.........and trying to say we need to ban rifles because they fire that bullet is just f*****g stupid.

It's the velocity. Technically, it's faster than a speeding bullet.
faster than a 30-30, or a 30.06

 

[miketx]

It's the velocity. Technically, it's faster than a speeding bullet.
faster than a 30-30, or a 30.06

What makes the boollet go so fast? Kryptonite pressure?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So, by inference, I can conclude that the resident gun grabber wants to ban any firearm that can kill a human.

Is that about right?

 

[miketx]

So, by inference, I can conclude that the resident gun grabber wants to ban any firearm that can kill a human.

Is that about right?

WINNER!!!!

 

[Missourian]

First off, rifles by their nature, fire much heavier cartridges, which means much higher combustion pressure, which means much higher muzzle energy / velocity then from a pistol.

Virginia Tech guy killed 32 people with two 9mm pistols...and those were adults.

That's why this isn't an argument worth having.

AR15s aren't deadlier...they are simply the most popular right now...likely due to the media.

 

[postman]

And at the range of a mass public shooting, it doesn't make a difference....the only mass public shooting where a rifle actually mattered was Las Vegas where the range to the crowd was about 400 meters....

We're talking muzzle velocity / energy translating into "interior ballistic" hydraulic shock damage.

The difference in wound channel size between a pistol round, and a rifle round. And between a high velocity rifle round, vs a hyper velocity rifle round.

As with cars, speed kills.

 

[postman]

So, by inference, I can conclude that the resident gun grabber wants to ban any firearm that can kill a human.

Is that about right?

I don't worry about a mass shooting with a .50 BMG

 

[postman]

Nobody is going to arm themselves with 700 rounds of .50 BMG

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We're talking muzzle velocity / energy translating into "interior ballistic" hydraulic shock damage.

The difference in wound channel size between a pistol round, and a rifle round. And between a high velocity rifle round, vs a hyper velocity rifle round.

As with cars, speed kills.

So, you want to ban any firearm that can kill a human, right?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I don't worry about a mass shooting with a .50 BMG

Then, why is it banned in California?

 

[2aguy]

Virginia Tech guy killed 32 people with two 9mm pistols...and those were adults.

That's why this isn't an argument worth having.

AR15s aren't deadlier...they are simply the most popular right now...likely due to the media.

Exactly.....and if they get the AR-15 banned, they will next start to promote another gun as the next best, super dooper mass public shooting gun...so they can get that one banned next.....

 

[2aguy]

We're talking muzzle velocity / energy translating into "interior ballistic" hydraulic shock damage.

The difference in wound channel size between a pistol round, and a rifle round. And between a high velocity rifle round, vs a hyper velocity rifle round.

As with cars, speed kills.

And as with box trucks, a box truck killed more people in 5 minutes than every single year of mass public shootings except for 2...........and killed more people in 5 minutes of driving than our worst mass public shooting...ever......

So, according to you, because of their extra special killing power, box trucks need to be banned....

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nobody is going to arm themselves with 700 rounds of .50 BMG

If you can effectively carry and use 700 rounds of .223 into a mass shooting, you were Arnold fucking Schwarzenegger times two.

 

[Missourian]

First off, rifles by their nature, fire much heavier cartridges, which means much higher combustion pressure, which means much higher muzzle energy / velocity then from a pistol.

The M193 military surplus 5.56mm is 55 grain.

The M855 military surplus 5.56mm is 62 grain.

My 9mm is loader with 147 grain hollow point.

So...not larger...not heavier...but faster.

 

[miketx]

First off, rifles by their nature, fire much heavier cartridges, which means much higher combustion pressure, which means much higher muzzle energy / velocity then from a pistol.

So you don't want to ban handguns then?

 

[Markle]

It's all about rage. I guess this gun is appropriate for many nowadays.

Just out of curiosity, watch the TV reality series "The First 48" a few times. It is an eye-opener. It doesn't matter if they are re-runs or not.

 

[miketx]

Nobody is going to arm themselves with 700 rounds of .50 BMG

Why? Is it illegal?