AOC condemns the LEOs

[struth]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Well they do go to school...and make mistakes...just like everyone else...why should they be treated differently then any other member of the Govt?

They shouldn't. Everyone should be treated the same.

so you are for abolishing sovereign immunity then? I doubt you'll get the Govt to agree to that. So far all we have seen is a push by leftist politicans to keep it for themselves and get rid of it for the very people they employee to enforce the very laws they create.

Very Orwellian...but that's what leftist regime tend to be

I think Bush, Obama and Trump need turned over to face war crimes. (along with others)

To who? The Hague? So we should turn our soveignty over to The Hague?

That didn't answer my question though...so should The Hague and UN have sovereign immunity then?

No one should have immunity.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

 

[struth]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

Sorry what am I ignoring? The Constitution created the Courts to settle disputes. So, I am curious what your solution is to disputes, if not the Courts?

 

[struth]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Well they do go to school...and make mistakes...just like everyone else...why should they be treated differently then any other member of the Govt?

They shouldn't. Everyone should be treated the same.

so you are for abolishing sovereign immunity then? I doubt you'll get the Govt to agree to that. So far all we have seen is a push by leftist politicans to keep it for themselves and get rid of it for the very people they employee to enforce the very laws they create.

Very Orwellian...but that's what leftist regime tend to be

I think Bush, Obama and Trump need turned over to face war crimes. (along with others)

To who? The Hague? So we should turn our soveignty over to The Hague?

That didn't answer my question though...so should The Hague and UN have sovereign immunity then?n

No one should have immunity.

Ok, so you do want to do away with Sovereign Immunity...even for The Hague. Will other Countries sign off on your plan?

 

[Thinker101]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

But Dementia Joe said "Amendments were not absolute", haven't you been paying attention.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

Sorry what am I ignoring? The Constitution created the Courts to settle disputes. So, I am curious what your solution is to disputes, if not the Courts?

The police routinely violate people's civil rights because they did not care because they were not personally held responsible. If held responsible they will respect our rights.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

But Dementia Joe said "Amendments were not absolute", haven't you been paying attention.

They aren't. But we know what it is.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Well they do go to school...and make mistakes...just like everyone else...why should they be treated differently then any other member of the Govt?

They shouldn't. Everyone should be treated the same.

so you are for abolishing sovereign immunity then? I doubt you'll get the Govt to agree to that. So far all we have seen is a push by leftist politicans to keep it for themselves and get rid of it for the very people they employee to enforce the very laws they create.

Very Orwellian...but that's what leftist regime tend to be

I think Bush, Obama and Trump need turned over to face war crimes. (along with others)

To who? The Hague? So we should turn our soveignty over to The Hague?

That didn't answer my question though...so should The Hague and UN have sovereign immunity then?n

No one should have immunity.

Ok, so you do want to do away with Sovereign Immunity...even for The Hague. Will other Countries sign off on your plan?

I doubt it but as I've said many times I am for cleaning up our backyard before condemning others. What others do have no standing to what we do.

 

[B. Kidd]

Just shows how stupid they both are.

Wonder who they think will protect their stupid asses at their homes if someone breaks in??

Wonder who they think will answer calls if there are no more LEO's??

Whatever one might think about the state of law enforcement, I think any amount of rational thought would have to lead one to understand that the alternative would be much worse.

Without orderly law enforcement, random vigilantism would take its place. Anyone who thought he'd been wronged would simply seek direct vengeance on whomever he thought had wronged him. There'd be no proper investigations of alleged crimes, no trials, no due process.

This is, in fact, one of the most fundamental reasons why government came to exist in the first place, to provide a standardized system of law and enforcement, to prevent and punish crimes in a consistent and orderly manner.

I'm for vigilantism!
Afterall, they got it right about 50% of the time.....

 

[struth]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

Sorry what am I ignoring? The Constitution created the Courts to settle disputes. So, I s' curious what your solution is to disputes, if not the Courts?

The police routinely violate people's civil rights because they did not care because they were not personally held responsible. If held responsible they will respect our rights.

That's true of Govt, and many other members of Govt.

But you now seem to be backtracking, so you do just want to treat police officers different then other members of Govt.

 

[struth]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Well they do go to school...and make mistakes...just like everyone else...why should they be treated differently then any other member of the Govt?

They shouldn't. Everyone should be treated the same.

so you are for abolishing sovereign immunity then? I doubt you'll get the Govt to agree to that. So far all we have seen is a push by leftist politicans to keep it for themselves and get rid of it for the very people they employee to enforce the very laws they create.

Very Orwellian...but that's what leftist regime tend to be

I think Bush, Obama and Trump need turned over to face war crimes. (along with others)

To who? The Hague? So we should turn our soveignty over to The Hague?

That didn't answer my question though...so should The Hague and UN have sovereign immunity then?n

No one should have immunity.

Ok, so you do want to do away with Sovereign Immunity...even for The Hague. Will other Countries sign off on your plan?

I doubt it but as I've said many times I am for cleaning up our backyard before condemning others. What others do have no standing to what we do.

Then why did you bring up war crimes for Presidents?

 

[Thinker101]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

But Dementia Joe said "Amendments were not absolute", haven't you been paying attention.

They aren't. But we know what it is.

We sure do. You loons shit on it enough, might as well use it for toilet paper.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

Sorry what am I ignoring? The Constitution created the Courts to settle disputes. So, I s' curious what your solution is to disputes, if not the Courts?

The police routinely violate people's civil rights because they did not care because they were not personally held responsible. If held responsible they will respect our rights.

That's true of Govt, and many other members of Govt.

But you now seem to be backtracking, so you do just want to treat police officers different then other members of Govt.

Dance all you want. I've been clear.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Well they do go to school...and make mistakes...just like everyone else...why should they be treated differently then any other member of the Govt?

They shouldn't. Everyone should be treated the same.

so you are for abolishing sovereign immunity then? I doubt you'll get the Govt to agree to that. So far all we have seen is a push by leftist politicans to keep it for themselves and get rid of it for the very people they employee to enforce the very laws they create.

Very Orwellian...but that's what leftist regime tend to be

I think Bush, Obama and Trump need turned over to face war crimes. (along with others)

To who? The Hague? So we should turn our soveignty over to The Hague?

That didn't answer my question though...so should The Hague and UN have sovereign immunity then?n

No one should have immunity.

Ok, so you do want to do away with Sovereign Immunity...even for The Hague. Will other Countries sign off on your plan?

I doubt it but as I've said many times I am for cleaning up our backyard before condemning others. What others do have no standing to what we do.

Then why did you bring up war crimes for Presidents?

Because you asked if I supported immunity for politicians.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

But Dementia Joe said "Amendments were not absolute", haven't you been paying attention.

They aren't. But we know what it is.

We sure do. You loons shit on it enough, might as well use it for toilet paper.

You are too cowardly to address me.

 

[irosie91]

Your police act like Latin American death squads and they do it with your support. No wonder your society is so fucked up.

BS ^^^

 

[Thinker101]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

But Dementia Joe said "Amendments were not absolute", haven't you been paying attention.

They aren't. But we know what it is.

We sure do. You loons shit on it enough, might as well use it for toilet paper.

You are too cowardly to address me.

Seriously doubt that.

 

[pknopp]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Hmmm, seems to me it's the people that need to learn what they legally can and can't do. If they did we wouldn't need the police.

When the people violate out laws they are personally held accountable. That should be the standard for all.

When a police officer violates the law they are held accountable too...I know of a couple officers, well former officers now, that got arrested for things....one a DUI, one an domestic A&B.

They have committed perjury forever and not held accountable. They have simply made up evidence to convict people and were not held accountable. The argument over and over to the police violating a persons civil rights is to just allow it and allow the courts to sort it out. No.

Sure the Govt is held accountable when that happens..in criminal cases the evidence found in violation of the law is tossed. If you want the Govt held accountable Civilly, then you need to remove Sovereign Immunity....there has been in our system, so ways around that, one is Qualified Immunity. So are you arguing that all Sovereign Immunity should be abolished? So that all Govt can be held accountable, and that all of it's agents can be held accountable personally?

I am not sure what you are suggesting if we don't have Court sort out disputes on issues...who then?

Understand the Constitution and don't ignore it.

But Dementia Joe said "Amendments were not absolute", haven't you been paying attention.

They aren't. But we know what it is.

We sure do. You loons shit on it enough, might as well use it for toilet paper.

You are too cowardly to address me.

Seriously doubt that.

Then address what I said, not what some vague group vaguely supposedly did.

 

[struth]

The analyst group Public Citizen counted 991 people killed by police in the U.S. last year. They tweeted that there were only 18 days where the police did not kill someone in 2020.

And we wonder why we are such a violent country. It starts at the top.

How many interactions with the public do the police have with citizens on a daily bases?

Quite a few which would make one wonder how many times they violated the rights of someone that never led to their deaths.

so death is quite rare. your claim the violence starts with them seems to quickly fallen apart

Just because every instance of violence and a violation of people's civil rights do not end in death does not mean it doesn't need addressed.

I don't disagree....and people, including the Govt violate people's rights daily...that's why we have a Court system to address those issues.

But I thought we were discussing police shootings.

No. We are discussing the police. They have to learn what they legally can and can not do or face personal consequences just like anyone else.

Well they do go to school...and make mistakes...just like everyone else...why should they be treated differently then any other member of the Govt?

They shouldn't. Everyone should be treated the same.

so you are for abolishing sovereign immunity then? I doubt you'll get the Govt to agree to that. So far all we have seen is a push by leftist politicans to keep it for themselves and get rid of it for the very people they employee to enforce the very laws they create.

Very Orwellian...but that's what leftist regime tend to be

I think Bush, Obama and Trump need turned over to face war crimes. (along with others)

To who? The Hague? So we should turn our soveignty over to The Hague?

That didn't answer my question though...so should The Hague and UN have sovereign immunity then?n

No one should have immunity.

Ok, so you do want to do away with Sovereign Immunity...even for The Hague. Will other Countries sign off on your plan?

I doubt it but as I've said many times I am for cleaning up our backyard before condemning others. What others do have no standing to what we do.

Then why did you bring up war crimes for Presidents?

Because you asked if I supported immunity for politicians.

Well no, I didn't specifically say them...there are numerous people that work for Govt. I just want to be clear, you want to abolish SI for all Govt and all it's agents.

But you haven't been clear about how we are suppose to resolve the disputes that might come up once that immunity is gone, since you seem to be unsatifified with the Courts working it out...where are we suppose to go then? How are we going to settle the disputes?