any questions about Iran?

[Agnapostate]

I doubt that so many would be willing to aid Arabs and Sunnis, anyway.

 

[Gunny]

My grandparents were still living in Guatemala when Arbenz was toppled, Babble. Want to claim it didn't happen?

Who gives a fuck? My ancestors were living in Texas and Alabama when the US invaded. So what?

Your arguments stink. The world was a different place when most of this shit you're trying to judge by today's standards took place in context with the time in which it happened.

Just more dishonest relativism from you. Can't say I'm a bit surprised.

This is the US. We are supposed to be about us first. Any other reasoning isn't reasoning at all, it's stupidity. If you want to be about somewhere else first, pack your trash and drag your seabag THERE, and good riddance.

 

[GHook93]

you kidding?! Iran is ruled by a combination of sharia law, what we had before the revolution and French laws. private ownership is fully supported in Iran and everybody can buy and sell land. at least, watch your own media, man!

yes. he doesn't do any of this. insulting a government official is prohibited by law in Iran. therefore, anyone doing that, is knowingly opposing the law, and is a criminal, and should be punished, although many get away with it unpunished. although this law is not fair, but it's a law of Iran, and everyone should honor it, until it changes.

your ears don't work on internet forums. you should read my posts by your eyes.

sorry, I'm answering questions here. I can't describe the whole Iran in a thread, it needs lots of time and effort. I should sit here and type for years. so, if you have any questions, I'm ready to give you an honest answer.

David he is right! I have a customer of mine that is an America, but owns a home in Iran!

 

[GHook93]

Perham Though most of what you post to below is correct, I sincerely doubt that all of it is for the simple reason that the posts as quoted come from suspect sources. It is a fact that the United States did many things in their paranoid attempt to stop the spread of World Communism. We could have done far better had we tried to direct the smaller communist governments towards Socialism and even paid them to be socialist. It would have been a lot less expensive than fighting the Korean War (with the United Nations) and the Viet Nam War with a few allies like Australia and New Zealand. Our national paranoia is an embarassment. Hopefully we are past that stage in our history and can move on. Now we just have to deal with Throat slitters, suicide bombers, Train, Plane and Bus Bombers, and plane crashers in the name of Allah and Radical Islam. Together we have to do something about that. We are not paranoid for fearing that nonsense and wanting to stop it where ever it is found.

You know we should have pushed more countries towards communism! Since we have we know have global competition! China is starting to kick butt since they opened up to private business and free markets, Japan, India, Brazil, Mother Russia, Mexico, Singapore etc. We should have let the USSR promote communism in these countries and they could have failed like the USSR and Am,erica would be in front of the world economics instead of falling in line with emerging power houses in BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) and Japan!

 

[GHook93]

Is this true that Iran has student groups that claim that more than 70,000 people throughout Iran have registered as volunteer suicide bombers since Israel launched its assault against Hamas-ruled Gaza on Dec. 27?


Iran bans volunteers from fighting Israel - Yahoo! News

One underlining thing you missed in a great article. There is a rife betwen Grant Ayatollah and Aladouchbag! More good news in the reformers taking over!

 

[Agnapostate]

Who gives a fuck? My ancestors were living in Texas and Alabama when the US invaded. So what?

Your arguments stink. The world was a different place when most of this shit you're trying to judge by today's standards took place in context with the time in which it happened.

Just more dishonest relativism from you. Can't say I'm a bit surprised.

This is the US. We are supposed to be about us first. Any other reasoning isn't reasoning at all, it's stupidity. If you want to be about somewhere else first, pack your trash and drag your seabag THERE, and good riddance.

"Relativism"? I'm a preference utilitarian, not a relativist. Unless the invasion of Alabama and Texas took place sometime in the past...um...century, I don't think they're really comparable to U.S. intervention in other countries.

National sovereignty is idiocy. I look forward to the day when nation-states topple.

 

[Paulie]

"Relativism"? I'm a preference utilitarian, not a relativist. Unless the invasion of Alabama and Texas took place sometime in the past...um...century, I don't think they're really comparable to U.S. intervention in other countries.

National sovereignty is idiocy. I look forward to the day when nation-states topple.

Yet on the youth rights board you posted a link to, you argued your case for voting rights based on the constitution's content.

The constitution is good enough for you to try and use for your personal positions, but not quite good enough to stand for America's independence and sovereignty.

Understood.

 

[Nexus]

Iran was once a flourishing country. Iran could have been the America of the Middle East.

Indeed, but unfortunately, you seem to forget the fact that your country shattered Iran's fledging democracy and replaced its democratically-elected government with the U.S.-backed ruthless dictator, the Shah, all in the name of oil. None of this would have happened if your country had not overthrown Iran's democratic government.

 

[GHook93]

Indeed, but unfortunately, you seem to forget the fact that your country shattered Iran's fledging democracy and replaced its democratically-elected government with the U.S.-backed ruthless dictator, the Shah, all in the name of oil. None of this would have happened if your country had not overthrown Iran's democratic government.

Very true! We screwed up the grand Persian State, but that was back int he 50s, but now they seem to be doing a fine job of that themselves!

 

[DiveCon]

Indeed, but unfortunately, you seem to forget the fact that your country shattered Iran's fledging democracy and replaced its democratically-elected government with the U.S.-backed ruthless dictator, the Shah, all in the name of oil. None of this would have happened if your country had not overthrown Iran's democratic government.

the Shah was ALREADY the Shah
we replaced NOTHING

 

[Anguille]

the Shah was ALREADY the Shah
we replaced NOTHING

The US did not want Iran to nationalize oil production and participated in the coup which restored the Shah to power. Since then Iran has had no democractiv governments.

 

[GHook93]

He was a secular, strong nationalist, strong pro-democracy and anti-communist leader that was overthrown by the Shah. He was the democratically elected PM of Iran before the Shah. He feel out of favor with UK and US, when he nationalized Iran's oil pulling it away from BP (British Petroleum). Therefore the UK and US assisted the Shah in removing him.

So the question remains:
(1) Would Iran have been better off with Mosaddeq over the Shah and later Ayatollahs? I think that is easy to answer.
(2) If the Shah didn't overthrown him, would the 1979 Islamic revolution have taken place, since after all Mosaddeq was a secular modernist?
(3) What would Iran have looked like today if Mosaddeq would have remained in power and the Islamic revolution hadn't taken place?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

the Shah was ALREADY the Shah
we replaced NOTHING

We helped return him to power after he fled Iran.

 

[DiveCon]

:sigh:
the Shah(a title, not a name) was ALREADY Shah
we restored NOTHING
all we did was to ADVISE the Shah to do what he already had the authority to do in Iran

 

[GHook93]

Perham,

Zoroaster was the original religion of the Perian empire up until the Arab Crusaders conquerred Iran. Some of your greatest classical Persian were Zoroastrians, such as Cyrus the Great. So why the great hatred amongst Iranians of the Zoroastrians? Why were Persians who followed Iranians ancient and really founding religion so persecuted by the Iranians since the Arab conquest of Persia? I mean if Cyrus the Great was alive now, when the Iranians persecute him for being a Zoroastrian.

Many people don't know, but religion persecution of the Zoroastrians rivals even that of the Jews!

 

[Tech_Esq]

He was a secular, strong nationalist, strong pro-democracy and anti-communist leader that was overthrown by the Shah. He was the democratically elected PM of Iran before the Shah. He feel out of favor with UK and US, when he nationalized Iran's oil pulling it away from BP (British Petroleum). Therefore the UK and US assisted the Shah in removing him.

So the question remains:
(1) Would Iran have been better off with Mosaddeq over the Shah and later Ayatollahs? I think that is easy to answer.
(2) If the Shah didn't overthrown him, would the 1979 Islamic revolution have taken place, since after all Mosaddeq was a secular modernist?
(3) What would Iran have looked like today if Mosaddeq would have remained in power and the Islamic revolution hadn't taken place?

I'm no scholar on this place in history, but if he was really everything you claim him to be, I seriously doubt we would have been interested in overthrowing him just for BP's sake. Our priority was containment of the USSR. Iran was an important bulwark in that effort. I seriously doubt we would risk total destabilization of an important country to our interest in arresting the spread of communism with such a speculative and dangerous effort. Just for BP.

This smells like conspiracy BS to me.

 

[GHook93]

I'm no scholar on this place in history, but if he was really everything you claim him to be, I seriously doubt we would have been interested in overthrowing him just for BP's sake. Our priority was containment of the USSR. Iran was an important bulwark in that effort. I seriously doubt we would risk total destabilization of an important country to our interest in arresting the spread of communism with such a speculative and dangerous effort. Just for BP.

This smells like conspiracy BS to me.

Its common knowledge that the US and UK help the Shah take power!

 

[DiveCon]

Its common knowledge that the US and UK help the Shah take power!

the Shah was already IN power before Op Ajax
Shah is a title, not a name
he was already Shah and had the authority to do what he did, all we did was to advise him to do so
that is NOT overthrowing anyone

 

[Perham]

Perham,

Zoroaster was the original religion of the Perian empire up until the Arab Crusaders conquerred Iran. Some of your greatest classical Persian were Zoroastrians, such as Cyrus the Great. So why the great hatred amongst Iranians of the Zoroastrians? Why were Persians who followed Iranians ancient and really founding religion so persecuted by the Iranians since the Arab conquest of Persia? I mean if Cyrus the Great was alive now, when the Iranians persecute him for being a Zoroastrian.

Many people don't know, but religion persecution of the Zoroastrians rivals even that of the Jews!

I don't know what are your sources, but Zoroastrianism is an official religion in Iran, they have a parliament seat for themselves, and are so accepted in the society, as they're often so kind and merciful people. I haven't had a Zoroastrian friend yet, but I know that they're well known for their great behavior toward other people. also, we, Iranian Muslims, share many traditions with Zoroastrians, that is well rooted in our culture, but has a religious aspect for Zoroastrians. Iranians are so proud of their past, specially their golden past before the islam, and nothing can change that.

 

[Perham]

:sigh:
the Shah(a title, not a name) was ALREADY Shah
we restored NOTHING
all we did was to ADVISE the Shah to do what he already had the authority to do in Iran

excuse me, who had given that stupid asshole his authority to decide for 30 million people?