- Oct 17, 2015
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It was already made clear to you in the Bible or God's word. I do not see how you cite Scripture to make your case. Anyway, I can't help it if you think Jesus did not deliver for you. He saved those who have faith in him which is more important that Israel. You have to be careful as Satan has placed those who deceive as teachers/prophets in the church.>>>Lucifer fell and thus he isn't the brightest morning starNot I who is false which leaves...That's a false statement and dishonest Ad Hominem (out of context)reply by you, the post described Ezekiel 28 which Preachers themselves use to reveal Lucifer and it fits Jesus to a "T" and as stated no other prophet but Jesus can be deemed Lucifer in those verses, because only Jesus was deemed the anointed(christ)Different morning star. There is only one morning star that is brighter than others. It outshines all others. That is Jesus. That which you call Lucifer was a morning star, but he fell from the heaven. So you are wrong.1)your reply avoids and does not refute that the Bible calls Jesus Lucifer.
cherub(guardian-Nazarene) who fell in & by the hands of the seas(i.e. Rome)claiming to be a god.
*Note Ding was not able to refute that fact, nor you*
You can't refute Jesus calls himself Lucifer without lying to people about what calling yourself Morning Star means in multiple fronts.
Is a term people use for a portrayed character fortold in the bible (I showed you Ezekiel 28 without refutation only Jesus fulfills Lucifer in scripture PERIOD!
Known as the first messiah aka the imposter and fallen prophet claimed a god. The planet venus represented both archangels (top prophet messengers) the fallen arc of venus called morning star symbolized lucifers fall while the rising arc of the planet Evening Star represented
Michael's rise-Dan 12:1-4.
So that's symbolism of why the Morning Star means Lucifer.
But On the subject of Morning Star it was Baal's son and Ishtar's (easter) son. Baal's wife was Isis and she is basically another cultures mimick of Ishtar, so said to be the same mythical figure. Furthermore Morning Star is the adversary to Shalem (Evening Star), thus adversary of the God of Israeland top messenger. To call yourself Morning Star is to call yourself the fallen false prophet Lucifer son of Baal adversary of God and Michael.
Hence celebration of the Morning Star on Baal's special day Dec 25th as father and son are the same Mythology (as proven by predated ancient Tablets the same death scene 3 day risen story) predating the Jesus myth.
So Now we know the secret of the number of his name;father & son are one-one masking the other.
Baal Jesus=666 in ascll used to secret numbers from names.
Claiming to be all knowing and yet calling himself Baal's son Lucifer is priceless and game over unarguable!
Yet you took the Bible, ignored it, then used an Ad Hominem smokescreen avoidance technique to make fallacious claims on a word you do not understand the origens of symbolism and references nor legend of how YeruShalem becomes city of Shalom (peace).
You can not get passed the fact Jesus calls himself the Nemesis of the God of Shalem and the king of Shalem.
Period! End of discussion!
Just look for the brightest morning star. It is said Lucifer fell and thus he isn't the brightest morning star anymore. It's more a description than a name. I'm not preaching, but telling like it is written. Maybe your teacher is a false teacher who was placed in church to mislead the believers.
>> Yet you took the Bible, ignored it, then used an Ad Hominem smokescreen avoidance technique to make fallacious claims on a word you do not understand the origens of symbolism and references nor legend of how YeruShalem becomes city of Shalom (peace).<<
You gotta be kidding haha. This is joke of an argument. I'm sure you committed an ad hominem fallacy saying I ignored the Bible. Read it and weep, me bucko.
"How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!" Isaiah 14:12
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.” Revelation 22:16
Jesus is the one who saved us and succeeded. It is you who failed the kingdom of Israel.
Once again Venus represented both archangels: So you are saying:
The first messiah Lucifer as the
arch (top/brightest) star/angel[malakh](messenger) fell
Acts 2:27 , 1 Peter 3:19 and Apostles creed Jesus(the first messiah) fell to the pit thus isn't the Arch (brightest) star (angel) anymore, which is why Ezekiel's Shiloh (one who's right it is that overturns the imposter) is Michael (Evening Star).
Look up in the search engines Shalem=Evening Star.
The legend of YeruShalem becoming city of Peace is at that overturning of the day(morning star) by the Night (Evening Star).
This is why my extensive post showing that in the Hebrew Bible and scrolls, Michael is the Moshiach(top messenger/reflection[malakh]
Jesus is deemed the opposition or HINDERANCE BY THEFT/THE ADVERSARY of Michael thus Jesus is calling himself Lucifer, Rome is stealing from the Jews their God, their mediator, their Temple, their religion, their identity, their sovereignty, their freedom, hence Michael is the Liberator from the "Kittim" (ancient slang for Rome).
"He’ll Proclaim liberty
to the captives" (Isaiah lxi,I) &
4Q285 5&10 Judgment of the Kittim
To further grasp this, perhaps you should view Pastor Percy Stone's take on how the U.S. is repeating Rome's History to decline and "FALL" by way of liberalism, and open border flow of migrants, something you would agree is a problem and it's emulation might make you see this clearer by examples in our time.