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Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?
What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.
When did it start?
Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.
What does the movement want?
The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.
You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.
I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it
No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?
What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.
When did it start?
Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.
What does the movement want?
The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.
You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.
I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it
No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.
It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).
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That is a cute graph but it is nothing more than a cute bit of propaganda. Tell me what the difference was between a citizen living in Soviet Russia, and Nazi Germany?
Exactly my point - the extreme left and the extreme right resemble each other more than they do the middle. Both wind towards authoritative repression.