Anti gunners want safe storage gun laws to put gun owners in this situation....

[2aguy]

Here we have the reason why anti gunners want Safe Storage laws for guns in this country. And no, it has nothing to do with keeping kids safe....if they wanted that they would help promote gun safety education..which the fight. And no, they don't care about criminals getting guns...since they keep letting those violent gun criminals back out onto the streets...

The real reason is it gives them a way to get guns from law abiding gun owners. The anti gunners can already get the guns a criminal uses...but law abiding gun owners don't commit crimes with guns...so right now there is no way to confiscate them...but a safe storage law...opens that up...

Australian Gun Laws Suck: Weingarten Down Under - The Truth About Guns

Curtis’ brother, Don, drove into the farmyard shortly after we arrived. He began talking about the problems created by Australian gun control, asserting that The Land Down Under’s “sensible gun laws” were anything but sensible.

He’s been at risk in a firearms case concerning “safe storage” for more than two years. The case did not receive much publicity. More than 50 firearms were seized, most of them high dollar collectible Winchesters. The vast majority were super grade pre-1964 model 70 rifles, with some original Colt cap-and-ball revolvers. (Australia doesn’t require registration for antique black powder revolvers.)

Most of the guns were in two safes, but the doors were open. A third safe was locked. Donald said he’d opened the safes that morning to take out a few rifles to zero them for hunting, changing scopes and adjusting the sights.

It was the end of irrigation season. After weeks of hard work, he could take some time off. He took five minutes to go down to the pivot pump and shut it off. When he returned, the police were in the yard.

A district court ruled the guns should not be destroyed, but should be transferred to a dealer, with the proceeds returned to Donald.

He could no longer possess firearms; his license was immediately canceled. Donald Eykamp has paid $18,000 (Australian) in civil fines. There are no criminal charges before the court.

The police appealed the ruling, claiming that more than a $150,000 (Australian) of highly collectible firearms and high dollar scopes should be destroyed, along with the cap-and-ball revolvers.


this is what they really want...the opportunity to strip law abiding gun owners of their Gun Rights....

He could no longer possess firearms; his license was immediately canceled.

What were the weapons seized......from the story the 1964 Winchester Model 70 is a bolt action rifle......so no, anti gunners are the same the world over....they are not going to let hunters keep their hunting rifles....that is a lie they tell hunters to get those hunters to support all their other stupid gun laws........

Winchester Model 70 - Wikipedia

The Winchester Model 70 is a bolt-action sporting rifle. It has an iconic place in American sporting culture and has been held in high regard by shooters since it was introduced in 1936, earning the moniker "The Rifleman's Rifle".[1] The action has some design similarities to Mauser designs and it is a development of the earlier Winchester Model 54.

 

[PredFan]

Here we have the reason why anti gunners want Safe Storage laws for guns in this country. And no, it has nothing to do with keeping kids safe....if they wanted that they would help promote gun safety education..which the fight. And no, they don't care about criminals getting guns...since they keep letting those violent gun criminals back out onto the streets...

The real reason is it gives them a way to get guns from law abiding gun owners. The anti gunners can already get the guns a criminal uses...but law abiding gun owners don't commit crimes with guns...so right now there is no way to confiscate them...but a safe storage law...opens that up...

Australian Gun Laws Suck: Weingarten Down Under - The Truth About Guns

Curtis’ brother, Don, drove into the farmyard shortly after we arrived. He began talking about the problems created by Australian gun control, asserting that The Land Down Under’s “sensible gun laws” were anything but sensible.

He’s been at risk in a firearms case concerning “safe storage” for more than two years. The case did not receive much publicity. More than 50 firearms were seized, most of them high dollar collectible Winchesters. The vast majority were super grade pre-1964 model 70 rifles, with some original Colt cap-and-ball revolvers. (Australia doesn’t require registration for antique black powder revolvers.)

Most of the guns were in two safes, but the doors were open. A third safe was locked. Donald said he’d opened the safes that morning to take out a few rifles to zero them for hunting, changing scopes and adjusting the sights.

It was the end of irrigation season. After weeks of hard work, he could take some time off. He took five minutes to go down to the pivot pump and shut it off. When he returned, the police were in the yard.

A district court ruled the guns should not be destroyed, but should be transferred to a dealer, with the proceeds returned to Donald.

He could no longer possess firearms; his license was immediately canceled. Donald Eykamp has paid $18,000 (Australian) in civil fines. There are no criminal charges before the court.

The police appealed the ruling, claiming that more than a $150,000 (Australian) of highly collectible firearms and high dollar scopes should be destroyed, along with the cap-and-ball revolvers.


this is what they really want...the opportunity to strip law abiding gun owners of their Gun Rights....

He could no longer possess firearms; his license was immediately canceled.

What were the weapons seized......from the story the 1964 Winchester Model 70 is a bolt action rifle......so no, anti gunners are the same the world over....they are not going to let hunters keep their hunting rifles....that is a lie they tell hunters to get those hunters to support all their other stupid gun laws........

Winchester Model 70 - Wikipedia

The Winchester Model 70 is a bolt-action sporting rifle. It has an iconic place in American sporting culture and has been held in high regard by shooters since it was introduced in 1936, earning the moniker "The Rifleman's Rifle".[1] The action has some design similarities to Mauser designs and it is a development of the earlier Winchester Model 54.

Fuck them, I will never do it. The first thing I do when I get a new gun is throw away the locks and keys.

 

[JoeB131]

Number of gun homicides in Australia in 2015 - 27

Guns in Australia — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides in the US in 2014 - 10,945

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

 

[mudwhistle]

Here we have the reason why anti gunners want Safe Storage laws for guns in this country. And no, it has nothing to do with keeping kids safe....if they wanted that they would help promote gun safety education..which the fight. And no, they don't care about criminals getting guns...since they keep letting those violent gun criminals back out onto the streets...

The real reason is it gives them a way to get guns from law abiding gun owners. The anti gunners can already get the guns a criminal uses...but law abiding gun owners don't commit crimes with guns...so right now there is no way to confiscate them...but a safe storage law...opens that up...

Australian Gun Laws Suck: Weingarten Down Under - The Truth About Guns

Curtis’ brother, Don, drove into the farmyard shortly after we arrived. He began talking about the problems created by Australian gun control, asserting that The Land Down Under’s “sensible gun laws” were anything but sensible.

He’s been at risk in a firearms case concerning “safe storage” for more than two years. The case did not receive much publicity. More than 50 firearms were seized, most of them high dollar collectible Winchesters. The vast majority were super grade pre-1964 model 70 rifles, with some original Colt cap-and-ball revolvers. (Australia doesn’t require registration for antique black powder revolvers.)

Most of the guns were in two safes, but the doors were open. A third safe was locked. Donald said he’d opened the safes that morning to take out a few rifles to zero them for hunting, changing scopes and adjusting the sights.

It was the end of irrigation season. After weeks of hard work, he could take some time off. He took five minutes to go down to the pivot pump and shut it off. When he returned, the police were in the yard.

A district court ruled the guns should not be destroyed, but should be transferred to a dealer, with the proceeds returned to Donald.

He could no longer possess firearms; his license was immediately canceled. Donald Eykamp has paid $18,000 (Australian) in civil fines. There are no criminal charges before the court.

The police appealed the ruling, claiming that more than a $150,000 (Australian) of highly collectible firearms and high dollar scopes should be destroyed, along with the cap-and-ball revolvers.


this is what they really want...the opportunity to strip law abiding gun owners of their Gun Rights....

He could no longer possess firearms; his license was immediately canceled.

What were the weapons seized......from the story the 1964 Winchester Model 70 is a bolt action rifle......so no, anti gunners are the same the world over....they are not going to let hunters keep their hunting rifles....that is a lie they tell hunters to get those hunters to support all their other stupid gun laws........

Winchester Model 70 - Wikipedia

The Winchester Model 70 is a bolt-action sporting rifle. It has an iconic place in American sporting culture and has been held in high regard by shooters since it was introduced in 1936, earning the moniker "The Rifleman's Rifle".[1] The action has some design similarities to Mauser designs and it is a development of the earlier Winchester Model 54.

We tried this in Somalia and it didn't work. The UN was put in charge of the guns and the UN either sold or gave the Somalis back their guns. We found this out in the Summer of 93', when we pulled a surprise inspection and discovered that the weapons storage facilities were empty. After that Mogadishu exploded and the entire city started shooting at us.

Democrats want America fighting amongst each other. They want us to take down the economy with a civil war. But they want to be able to control us and keep us from coming after them, so they want to disarm us. They only want the lawless to have weapons. This way we will live in fear and depend on government to protect us. This is why they want so many of us unwilling or unable to take care of themselves.

 

[2aguy]

Number of gun homicides in Australia in 2015 - 27

Guns in Australia — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides in the US in 2014 - 10,945

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

You haven't been keeping up ......gun crime is increasing in Australia.....due again to violent immigrant drug gangs....Melbourne, Australia is now known as the "City of the Gun."

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars


In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[2aguy]

Number of gun homicides in Australia in 2015 - 27

Guns in Australia — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides in the US in 2014 - 10,945

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun crime in Australia is going up...they banned and confiscated guns....

What did we do, and what happened here?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Old Rocks]

Down and still 10,945 in 2014. Australia, 2015, 27. So it went up, to what, 45? A-guy. you are fucking nuts.

 

[BlackFlag]

He left over 50 guns completely open and available to criminals? Wow. Another irresponsible gun owner who's lucky it's his guns being taken away instead of someone else's life.

 

[2aguy]

Down and still 10,945 in 2014. Australia, 2015, 27. So it went up, to what, 45? A-guy. you are fucking nuts.

9,616 in 2015......of those, the reality is that 70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in crime or the criminal lifestyle, and of the rest many of those are freinds and family caught in the crossfire....

And those 9,616 gun murders...are in a country with over 400 million guns in private hands.....


Australia? Banned and confiscated their guns.....and their gun crime rate is going up....not down...


Their gun crime is going up because they have imported violent criminals into their country. Taking guns away from normal, law abiding people did not stop criminals from getting guns.......and it isn't going to get better over time...

 

[2aguy]

He left over 50 guns completely open and available to criminals? Wow. Another irresponsible gun owner who's lucky it's his guns being taken away instead of someone else's life.

In his home...and your attitude is exactly why we need to replace every single democrat in office.

 

[BlackFlag]

He left over 50 guns completely open and available to criminals? Wow. Another irresponsible gun owner who's lucky it's his guns being taken away instead of someone else's life.

In his home...and your attitude is exactly why we need to replace every single democrat in office.

You think irresponsible gun owners should be rewarded?

 

[2aguy]

He left over 50 guns completely open and available to criminals? Wow. Another irresponsible gun owner who's lucky it's his guns being taken away instead of someone else's life.

In his home...and your attitude is exactly why we need to replace every single democrat in office.

You think irresponsible gun owners should be rewarded?

The guy wasn't irresponsible....get back to me if he leaves a rifle on the sidewalk in front of a grade school...

 

[BlackFlag]

He left over 50 guns completely open and available to criminals? Wow. Another irresponsible gun owner who's lucky it's his guns being taken away instead of someone else's life.

In his home...and your attitude is exactly why we need to replace every single democrat in office.

You think irresponsible gun owners should be rewarded?

The guy wasn't irresponsible....get back to me if he leaves a rifle on the sidewalk in front of a grade school...

You think the police broke into his house to inspect those "safes?" Bullshit. Find another source other than your propaganda one.

 

[2aguy]

He left over 50 guns completely open and available to criminals? Wow. Another irresponsible gun owner who's lucky it's his guns being taken away instead of someone else's life.

In his home...and your attitude is exactly why we need to replace every single democrat in office.

You think irresponsible gun owners should be rewarded?

The guy wasn't irresponsible....get back to me if he leaves a rifle on the sidewalk in front of a grade school...

You think the police broke into his house to inspect those "safes?" Bullshit. Find another source other than your propaganda one.

Yeah...dumb shit.....it is part of their gun control laws...

What it's Like to Own Guns in a Country with Strict Gun Control

The police are required to inspect your gun room. Since 1996, the police have inspected mine three or four times. While they can come randomly, they normally put a call through and we arrange an agreeable time to come in and inspect it.

 

[BlackFlag]

He left over 50 guns completely open and available to criminals? Wow. Another irresponsible gun owner who's lucky it's his guns being taken away instead of someone else's life.

In his home...and your attitude is exactly why we need to replace every single democrat in office.

You think irresponsible gun owners should be rewarded?

The guy wasn't irresponsible....get back to me if he leaves a rifle on the sidewalk in front of a grade school...

You think the police broke into his house to inspect those "safes?" Bullshit. Find another source other than your propaganda one.

Yeah...dumb shit.....it is part of their gun control laws...

What it's Like to Own Guns in a Country with Strict Gun Control

The police are required to inspect your gun room. Since 1996, the police have inspected mine three or four times. While they can come randomly, they normally put a call through and we arrange an agreeable time to come in and inspect it.

Can they break into your home? Or did he leave his home unlocked too?

 

[JoeB131]

You haven't been keeping up ......gun crime is increasing in Australia.....due again to violent immigrant drug gangs....Melbourne, Australia is now known as the "City of the Gun."

Sure it is. Not sure why you cherry pick these stories about a shooting here and there and ignore what your Orange Shitgibbon calls the "Carnage" in this country.

 

[2aguy]

You haven't been keeping up ......gun crime is increasing in Australia.....due again to violent immigrant drug gangs....Melbourne, Australia is now known as the "City of the Gun."

Sure it is. Not sure why you cherry pick these stories about a shooting here and there and ignore what your Orange Shitgibbon calls the "Carnage" in this country.

Not cherry picking asswipe......3 part story from Australia on the increasing gun crime in Australia......as Melbourne, Australia has the reputation as the City of the Gun.....

 

[2aguy]

You haven't been keeping up ......gun crime is increasing in Australia.....due again to violent immigrant drug gangs....Melbourne, Australia is now known as the "City of the Gun."

Sure it is. Not sure why you cherry pick these stories about a shooting here and there and ignore what your Orange Shitgibbon calls the "Carnage" in this country.

Here you go....the links below will guide you to a 3 part story on the increasing gun crime in Australia


Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[JoeB131]

Not cherry picking asswipe......3 part story from Australia on the increasing gun crime in Australia......as Melbourne, Australia has the reputation as the City of the Gun.....

Again, a handful of gun murders a year compared to our tens of thousands.

Here you go....the links below will guide you to a 3 part story on the increasing gun crime in Australia

Don't know why you post this NRA Spooge, I don't bother to read it.

 

[2aguy]

Not cherry picking asswipe......3 part story from Australia on the increasing gun crime in Australia......as Melbourne, Australia has the reputation as the City of the Gun.....

Again, a handful of gun murders a year compared to our tens of thousands.

Here you go....the links below will guide you to a 3 part story on the increasing gun crime in Australia

Don't know why you post this NRA Spooge, I don't bother to read it.

And their gun confiscation didn't stop murders...since the criminals there have guns......Australian criminal have not been committing murder, of any sort ......as the article shows, that is changing.

That story is from Australia, not the NRA dumb shit...since it shows you are wrong and that you are lying, you have no response....