Anti-gun talking points ….

[2aguy]

Felons with firearms are part of the problem.
So are crazy people who can get guns.
So are assholes who shoot their spouses over domestic issues.



Because they couldn't make a case once dimwits like you said everyone has a right to a gun and can shoot anyone they like.


Uh, if guns and locking people up made us safer, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the free world, not the highest.

The problem isnt locking them up, the problem is the democrat party releasing them over and over no matter how many violnt gun crimes they commit.

 

[JoeB131]

No, they had them and could hqve put them away for years and she refused.

Um, I know this comes as a shock to you, but we have things called "Trials" in this country, even for black people.

You get a jury in Cook County, and the CPD can't tell you who fired the first shot, so we aren't even going to try to prosecute for that, but gosh darn, we're going to hit you with a bullshit gun possession charge, a jury is going to laugh that out of the courthouse.

Here's the problem with your whole "Gun Possession Charge" fantasies. 1) Nuts like you have already established a bias of gun ownership being a "right", and 2) we don't have enough room in the jails for the REAL criminals in order to lock up some asshole with a gun.

So here's what we need to do. 1) Take the guns when we find them and 2) Make it VERY DIFFICULT to get replacements.

 

[JoeB131]

The problem isnt locking them up, the problem is the democrat party releasing them over and over no matter how many violnt gun crimes they commit.

No, the problem is there's nowhere to lock them up.

Cook County Jail only has a capacity of 5000 people. The CPD confiscated 10,000 illegal guns a year. Simple math tells you you'd be out of space in six months.

 

[Hollie]

No, the problem is there's nowhere to lock them up.

Cook County Jail only has a capacity of 5000 people. The CPD confiscated 10,000 illegal guns a year. Simple math tells you you'd be out of space in six months.

Um, no. The problem is soft on crime Dems / Socialists.

Among the screeching from Dems / Socialists about gun crime, it's just a talking point used to press their gun grabbing agenda.

Over 1,000 victims, 126 dead, just 2 convictions: 6 years of mass shootings in Chicago

Despite the skyrocketing number of shootings wounding four or more people in the city, the Chicago Police Department’s chief of detectives said solving the cases isn’t prioritized over other shootings.

chicago.suntimes.com

While police say the shooters were targeting members of a rival gang, 23-year-old Kristina Grimes — a bystander apparently caught in the fray — was the only one killed, her body riddled with six bullets.

Only one person has been charged in any of the at least 39 mass shootings so far this year, according to a Sun-Times analysis of city data and court records.

 

[Bell Huey]

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You think that ad was directed to sane people?



If you use the Epoch Times (owned by the Falun Gong Cult) as a source, there's not much point talking to you

You got any ads from this decade?

 

[2aguy]

Um, I know this comes as a shock to you, but we have things called "Trials" in this country, even for black people.

You get a jury in Cook County, and the CPD can't tell you who fired the first shot, so we aren't even going to try to prosecute for that, but gosh darn, we're going to hit you with a bullshit gun possession charge, a jury is going to laugh that out of the courthouse.

Here's the problem with your whole "Gun Possession Charge" fantasies. 1) Nuts like you have already established a bias of gun ownership being a "right", and 2) we don't have enough room in the jails for the REAL criminals in order to lock up some asshole with a gun.

So here's what we need to do. 1) Take the guns when we find them and 2) Make it VERY DIFFICULT to get replacements.

3 convicted felons on the ground with bullets in them from a public shootout, in possession of illegal guns they can't buy, own or carry, all felonies....all caught on video.

She did not prosecute them.

 

[2aguy]

No, the problem is there's nowhere to lock them up.

Cook County Jail only has a capacity of 5000 people. The CPD confiscated 10,000 illegal guns a year. Simple math tells you you'd be out of space in six months.

Those guys are immediately released, over and over again.......so we have plenty of room.

If we need more, build more jails......

 

[2aguy]

Um, I know this comes as a shock to you, but we have things called "Trials" in this country, even for black people.

You get a jury in Cook County, and the CPD can't tell you who fired the first shot, so we aren't even going to try to prosecute for that, but gosh darn, we're going to hit you with a bullshit gun possession charge, a jury is going to laugh that out of the courthouse.

Here's the problem with your whole "Gun Possession Charge" fantasies. 1) Nuts like you have already established a bias of gun ownership being a "right", and 2) we don't have enough room in the jails for the REAL criminals in order to lock up some asshole with a gun.

So here's what we need to do. 1) Take the guns when we find them and 2) Make it VERY DIFFICULT to get replacements.

You are an idiot...

They are felons. They are prohibited from buying, owning or carrying guns.

There is no legal Right for them to buy, own or carry those guns, and then shooting them at other felons is also illegal.

 

[JoeB131]

Um, no. The problem is soft on crime Dems / Socialists.

Among the screeching from Dems / Socialists about gun crime, it's just a talking point used to press their gun grabbing agenda.

We lock up 2 million people. More than Red China.
We are one of the few Industrial Democracies that still practices the barbarism of Capital Punishment.

3 convicted felons on the ground with bullets in them from a public shootout, in possession of illegal guns they can't buy, own or carry, all felonies....all caught on video.

She did not prosecute them.

Because she couldn't prove who fired first. I'll say that again: when she asked the CPD, "Who Fired First?" they couldn't tell her. So those guys would have hired lawyers who would have argued - rightfully - that they were defending themselves against people who wanted to murder them. As you say, they were lying on the ground because someone wanted to murder them. The fact that they broke a law to defend themselves REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER to a jury.

Those guys are immediately released, over and over again.......so we have plenty of room.

If we need more, build more jails......

Who is going to pay for that? I don't want to pay for that, I think prisons are a waste of resources.

The US Locks up 2 million people. By comparison, Japan locks up 44,500.

Japan: inmate population of penal institutions | Statista

In 2022, the total number of inmates in Japanese penal institutions amounted to approximately 41.54 thousand persons.

www.statista.com

Germany locks up 56,000.

Prison inmate numbers in Germany 2022 | Statista

As of June 2022, there were a total of 56,557 people in prison in Germany.

www.statista.com

The United Kingdom locks up 85,000.

United Kingdom prison population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now, all these countries ban guns and they have less prisons... but amazingly, they have only a small fraction of our crime rate.

Imagine that.

(Oh, wait, his go to was "There was a war once and bad things happened.")

 

[Hollie]

We lock up 2 million people. More than Red China.
We are one of the few Industrial Democracies that still practices the barbarism of Capital Punishment.



Because she couldn't prove who fired first. I'll say that again: when she asked the CPD, "Who Fired First?" they couldn't tell her. So those guys would have hired lawyers who would have argued - rightfully - that they were defending themselves against people who wanted to murder them. As you say, they were lying on the ground because someone wanted to murder them. The fact that they broke a law to defend themselves REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER to a jury.



Who is going to pay for that? I don't want to pay for that, I think prisons are a waste of resources.

The US Locks up 2 million people. By comparison, Japan locks up 44,500.

By comparison, the US has a population approx three times that of Japan.

By comparison, Japan also has a much more homogeneous culture than the US.

But the Dems / Socialists certainly have a solution to crime; don’t prosecute and put criminals back on the streets.

Brilliant!

 

[JoeB131]

By comparison, the US has a population approx three times that of Japan.

And we have a prison population that is 45 times greater. We are doing it wrong.

But the Dems / Socialists certainly have a solution to crime; don’t prosecute and put criminals back on the streets.

We have 2 million prisoners, most of them in prison for non-violent offenses.

 

[Hollie]

We lock up 2 million people. More than Red China.
We are one of the few Industrial Democracies that still practices the barbarism of Capital Punishment.



Because she couldn't prove who fired first. I'll say that again: when she asked the CPD, "Who Fired First?" they couldn't tell her. So those guys would have hired lawyers who would have argued - rightfully - that they were defending themselves against people who wanted to murder them. As you say, they were lying on the ground because someone wanted to murder them. The fact that they broke a law to defend themselves REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER to a jury.



Who is going to pay for that? I don't want to pay for that, I think prisons are a waste of resources.

The US Locks up 2 million people. By comparison, Japan locks up 44,500.

Japan: inmate population of penal institutions | Statista

In 2022, the total number of inmates in Japanese penal institutions amounted to approximately 41.54 thousand persons.

www.statista.com

Germany locks up 56,000.

Prison inmate numbers in Germany 2022 | Statista

As of June 2022, there were a total of 56,557 people in prison in Germany.

www.statista.com

The United Kingdom locks up 85,000.

United Kingdom prison population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now, all these countries ban guns and they have less prisons... but amazingly, they have only a small fraction of our crime rate.

Imagine that.

(Oh, wait, his go to was "There was a war once and bad things happened.")

By comparison, the US has a population approx three times that of Japan.

By comparison, Japan also has a much more homogeneous culture than the US.

But the Dems / Socialists certainly have a solution to crime; don’t prosecute and put criminals back on the streets.

Brilliant!

And we have a prison population that is 45 times greater. We are doing it wrong.



We have 2 million prisoners, most of them in prison for non-violent offenses.

That seems to confirm the Dem / Socialist agenda. Let criminals go free, no bail, no prosecution and no accountability.

Have you considered that may explain the out of control crime rates in Dem / Socialist addled cities?

 

[2aguy]

We lock up 2 million people. More than Red China.
We are one of the few Industrial Democracies that still practices the barbarism of Capital Punishment.



Because she couldn't prove who fired first. I'll say that again: when she asked the CPD, "Who Fired First?" they couldn't tell her. So those guys would have hired lawyers who would have argued - rightfully - that they were defending themselves against people who wanted to murder them. As you say, they were lying on the ground because someone wanted to murder them. The fact that they broke a law to defend themselves REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER to a jury.



Who is going to pay for that? I don't want to pay for that, I think prisons are a waste of resources.

The US Locks up 2 million people. By comparison, Japan locks up 44,500.

Japan: inmate population of penal institutions | Statista

In 2022, the total number of inmates in Japanese penal institutions amounted to approximately 41.54 thousand persons.

www.statista.com

Germany locks up 56,000.

Prison inmate numbers in Germany 2022 | Statista

As of June 2022, there were a total of 56,557 people in prison in Germany.

www.statista.com

The United Kingdom locks up 85,000.

United Kingdom prison population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now, all these countries ban guns and they have less prisons... but amazingly, they have only a small fraction of our crime rate.

Imagine that.

(Oh, wait, his go to was "There was a war once and bad things happened.")

Yes...you are trolling...

It doesn't matter who fired first.....you know that you troll.....

They were all convicted felons in possession of illegal guns.....and they illegally fired those guns in public.......and she refused to prosecute them...

Those other countries are now experiencing rapidly growing violent crime, in particular gun crime because the 3rd world immigrants who now control their illegal drug trade are not concerned with gun control laws...or hand grenade laws.

 

[JoeB131]

That seems to confirm the Dem / Socialist agenda. Let criminals go free, no bail, no prosecution and no accountability.

Have you considered that may explain the out of control crime rates in Dem / Socialist addled cities?

No, not really. We have out of control crime because it's too fucking easy to get a gun, we don't treat addiction and mental illness as public health issues, and we allow grinding poverty to drive people over the edge.

It's really easy to be moral when you have a full belly and warm place to sleep.

Yes...you are trolling...

It doesn't matter who fired first.....you know that you troll.....

It completely matters. You've built this gun-crazy world where nutbags can drive 20 miles to another state, shoot unarmed people, and be declared a hero. Kind of hard to get a conviction in the hood on a bullshit gun charge if you can't tell me who shot first.

Those other countries are now experiencing rapidly growing violent crime, in particular gun crime because the 3rd world immigrants who now control their illegal drug trade are not concerned with gun control laws...or hand grenade laws.

Those countries will never have our crime rates because

1) They don't let people have easy access to guns.
2) They don't let people live in grinding poverty.
3) The mentally ill get treatment.
4) Drug Addiction is treated like a medical issue and not a criminal one.

In short, they looked at everything we do wrong, and did the opposite of that.

 

[2aguy]

No, not really. We have out of control crime because it's too fucking easy to get a gun, we don't treat addiction and mental illness as public health issues, and we allow grinding poverty to drive people over the edge.

It's really easy to be moral when you have a full belly and warm place to sleep.



It completely matters. You've built this gun-crazy world where nutbags can drive 20 miles to another state, shoot unarmed people, and be declared a hero. Kind of hard to get a conviction in the hood on a bullshit gun charge if you can't tell me who shot first.



Those countries will never have our crime rates because

1) They don't let people have easy access to guns.
2) They don't let people live in grinding poverty.
3) The mentally ill get treatment.
4) Drug Addiction is treated like a medical issue and not a criminal one.

In short, they looked at everything we do wrong, and did the opposite of that.

They murdered more of their people in 6 years than our criminals did in 247 years you idiot.

 

[Hollie]

No, not really. We have out of control crime because it's too fucking easy to get a gun, we don't treat addiction and mental illness as public health issues, and we allow grinding poverty to drive people over the edge.

It's really easy to be moral when you have a full belly and warm place to sleep.

Yeah, really. Dem / Leftist run Hell holes have out of control crime because of Dem / Socialist policies that favor criminals.

It’s really easy for criminals when they’re assured that theft, assault and entire classes of crimes won’t be prosecuted.

It’s really easy to make excuses for Dem / Leftist criminal friendly policies when you’re a silly SJW.

 

[JoeB131]

They murdered more of their people in 6 years than our criminals did in 247 years you idiot.

You mean they had... A war! Gasp!

wars are kind of awful.... just ask the Native Americans.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, really. Dem / Leftist run Hell holes have out of control crime because of Dem / Socialist policies that favor criminals.

It’s really easy for criminals when they’re assured that theft, assault and entire classes of crimes won’t be prosecuted.

It’s really easy to make excuses for Dem / Leftist criminal friendly policies when you’re a silly SJW.

We lock up 2 million people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole, and 70-100 million Americans have a police record.

Locking them all up isn't an option.

 

[Hollie]

We lock up 2 million people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole, and 70-100 million Americans have a police record.

Locking them all up isn't an option.

It seems your only solution is the SJW / Dem / Socialist agenda of making crime a meaningless idea. Eliminate bail, allow Dem / Socialist DA's to arbitrarily ignore entire classes of crimes and allow criminals a free hand to steal, assault anyone they choose while they destroy a city's economic base. This is exactly what we see in Dem / Socialist controlled cities.

Criminals on parole and people with a police record are not all going to be locked up. Your claim is simply nonsensical.

 

[JoeB131]

It seems your only solution is the SJW / Dem / Socialist agenda of making crime a meaningless idea. Eliminate bail, allow Dem / Socialist DA's to arbitrarily ignore entire classes of crimes and allow criminals a free hand to steal, assault anyone they choose while they destroy a city's economic base. This is exactly what we see in Dem / Socialist controlled cities.

Bail is a stupid idea. You are innocent until proven guilty. Why lock people up for years when they've been accused because the courts are so backlogged, because they can't afford a bail?

Your hysterics aside, I live in Chicago, I've been downtown a bunch of times, and to hear you guys tell it, it's some dystopian nightmare. The reality is my wife and I had a very nice time, people were polite. The only thing I hate is the traffic because it's so congested, because all those other people didn't hear you when you told them it was a no-man's land.

Criminals on parole and people with a police record are not all going to be locked up. Your claim is simply nonsensical.

You skipped over probation.. there are more criminals on probation than parole. The reality is, you'd have to lock up a lot of people to get anyone who you classify as a "Criminal" off the streets.

You know, instead of doing the sensible thing of just not letting them get guns and maybe try to correct the problems that drove them to crime to start with. You know, like the Europeans do!