Another Pipeline Explodes -

[Mertex]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Why Mert, did we get LUCKY it was on the Canadian side of the border? Apparently you care little about our economy being helped by an oil pipeline...

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You'd probably want to stop it, if BED BUGS were endangered by a pipeline!

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?

Did you read the flaming oil got into their sewer system, coming back up through the water pipes, setting stores on fire?

Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

Try something more current.......Vig.

 

[Mertex]

Do you have any idea how many people used to get killed by horses?

Not to mention, horseshit was everywhere back in the day.

So, because people are killed by other means, a long time ago, we should ignore all the warning signs and the risk to the environment? Yepp, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I think one of the many problems we have in the US is how we tend to deify politicians. Not to the extent we believe they can do no wrong as much as believe they're actually responsible for anything. They're glorified whores doing whatever their biggest campaign donors say to do. But if you wanna bitch and moan about something, blaming the whores isn't correct. Blame their donors.

 

[chikenwing]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

Trains are not safe either, at least with the DOT111 transport car....the newer replacement version which costs $100k for each one, takes care of many issues with the oil train cabs...

Buffet is buying 5000 of the newer stronger oil transport cabs/cars.... don't know about the other oil train transporters on whether they have committed to investing in them....?

Well C4A you have to transport MILLIONS of gallons a day, you have any info about how many have died from a pipe break?

just common sense that a train car filled with oil has less to 'spill' than a pipeline running millions of gallons a day through it with a crack or break....

but i don't like rail either, unless the cars are upgraded and the towns the rail cars plan to run through are made aware and get a say so....

Pipelines are way safer no matter how you try and spin it.There is no RATIONAL excuse not to build this pipeline none.

 

[chikenwing]

Another hysterical know nothing trying to sound like it does. Pipeline companies are some of the most uptight fussy people ever,there is much at risk,and their safety programs are very closely run.The typical lft wing mime that its all profit and they care nothing for safety is pure propaganda,or lies .

Shut down the 10s of thousand of miles of pipelines and the OP would be the 1st to start blubbering about being cold,or having to walk,hypocrites one and all.

 

[Osomir]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Why Mert, did we get LUCKY it was on the Canadian side of the border? Apparently you care little about our economy being helped by an oil pipeline...

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You'd probably want to stop it, if BED BUGS were endangered by a pipeline!

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?

Did you read the flaming oil got into their sewer system, coming back up through the water pipes, setting stores on fire?

Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

 

[Osomir]

The Republican party being composed primarily by ruch, racist, white people doesn't care about the enviroment one bit. I think they all believe they're gonna be like "Elysium" living in some luxury space station eventually.

Yup. It`s their never ending war on the environment. When a power generating company chooses to build a natural gas fueled power plant they cry like babies about some stupid ass war on coal. They complain about less drilling on federal land as if the oil that comes from a Wildlife Refuge is superior to the oil drilled on private land. I notice that none of them on this thread has said WHY we need a pipeline to move Canadian sludge.

It is economically important to be able to make sure that we understand the externalities associated with production before moving forward, this way we can not only track them for our own cost-benefit analyses, but also can then introduce legislation to effectively internalize said externalities. Take your comment on coal for example, if we really took into consideration the true negative economic effects of coal production and consumption and internalized that cost then the entire coal industry would be unprofitable. There is little reason for it to exist besides entrenched interests that you and I have to end up paying for out of our own pocket.

 

[chikenwing]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
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Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Why Mert, did we get LUCKY it was on the Canadian side of the border? Apparently you care little about our economy being helped by an oil pipeline...

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You'd probably want to stop it, if BED BUGS were endangered by a pipeline!

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?

Did you read the flaming oil got into their sewer system, coming back up through the water pipes, setting stores on fire?

Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

 

[hadit]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
(more)
Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

For one thing, the Keystone pipeline will carry crude oil, not gas, and would not explode. The OP thus is a misleading, emotional argument that is ultimately meaningless. Now, if you wanted to be accurate, you would find an emotionally wrenching picture of an OIL pipeline that ruptured. Of course, they are not easy to come by and would not likely accomplish your goal.

 

[Osomir]

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

Just because something creates jobs, even if they aren't temporary as they are here, that doesn't mean that it is worth having or doing, and it certainly doesn't mean that it will have any sort of significant impact on the larger economy.

 

[Moonglow]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
(more)
Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

Yeeeeeeeeeha!!! That blowed up real good.....

 

[hadit]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Now to the issue of a "few jobs". Any one who touts the argument that construction jobs don't count because they are just temporary is a fucking moron.

Your own State Department put the number at 42,000 jobs over the course of the pipeline being built.

Not only that, but those jobs are good paying jobs for skilled workers. Construction workers KNOW their jobs are temporary. If they were not, we would see the same workers working on the same building for 40 years. We don't.

 

[Moonglow]

If I had land where the pipe was going, would I want it in my back yard?? Or would I have a choice, which means losing my land to Canadian interests...

 

[Moonglow]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Now to the issue of a "few jobs". Any one who touts the argument that construction jobs don't count because they are just temporary is a fucking moron.

Your own State Department put the number at 42,000 jobs over the course of the pipeline being built.

Not only that, but those jobs are good paying jobs for skilled workers. Construction workers KNOW their jobs are temporary. If they were not, we would see the same workers working on the same building for 40 years. We don't.

Really ....

 

[Synthaholic]

I believe that makes 5 major pipeline explosions/leaks so far this month.

 

[hadit]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Now to the issue of a "few jobs". Any one who touts the argument that construction jobs don't count because they are just temporary is a fucking moron.

Your own State Department put the number at 42,000 jobs over the course of the pipeline being built.

Not only that, but those jobs are good paying jobs for skilled workers. Construction workers KNOW their jobs are temporary. If they were not, we would see the same workers working on the same building for 40 years. We don't.

Really ....

I thought it was pretty obvious. When I was young and built chicken houses, I didn't expect to work on the same house for more than a few weeks, certainly not for a lifetime.

 

[theHawk]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
(more)
Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

well you are welcome to not consume any products produced from oil.

Otherwise, just STFU.

 

[theHawk]

Do you own a gas burning vehicle Luddy? Have you ever taken transportation that uses oil?

If so, you killed that bird.

 

[theHawk]

I believe that makes 5 major pipeline explosions/leaks so far this month.

Maybe the next Democrat election platform can be "Lets close all oil pipelines", or "Lets ban oil".

You guys would win in a landslide.

 

[BullKurtz]

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Uh, because OIL pipelines don't explode?