Ann Coulter nails it...

[koshergrl]

Unfortunately there are laws that have been put into place in the last 40 years or so, that make it almost impossible to get people committed before they commit a heinous crime.

Which is why we have so many homeless people on the streets. They can't be institutionalized, they can't be convicted of a crime, there are no places to lodge them...so they roam until they die, or someone kills them.

Progressive utopia!

 

[JoeB131]

Unfortunately there are laws that have been put into place in the last 40 years or so, that make it almost impossible to get people committed before they commit a heinous crime.

Which is why we have so many homeless people on the streets. They can't be institutionalized, they can't be convicted of a crime, there are no places to lodge them...so they roam until they die, or someone kills them.

Progressive utopia!

So your solution is to lock people up on the basis of what they "might" do?

Hey, this is the time for one of you conservatards to come on here and talk about "the constitution" and "Freedom"

 

[Dot Com]

Unfortunately there are laws that have been put into place in the last 40 years or so, that make it almost impossible to get people committed before they commit a heinous crime.

Which is why we have so many homeless people on the streets. They can't be institutionalized, they can't be convicted of a crime, there are no places to lodge them...so they roam until they die, or someone kills them.

Progressive utopia!

So your solution is to lock people up on the basis of what they "might" do?

Hey, this is the time for one of you conservatards to come on here and talk about "the constitution" and "Freedom"

yeah kgrill. Not only is that a violation of civil liberties but its also Ginormously expensive. How you goin to pay for that? OH! Right Cut social services to the old & poor.

 

[koshergrl]

Well we could just kill them outright. That's what you and Joe would have us do. I'm sure you'd sign up to work doing that, in fact.

 

[koshergrl]

Joe already spends an inordinate amount of time fantasizing about abortion clinics. We've all been witness to that...

 

[Vox]

Yeah, I'm sure that using offensive (to bible thumping morons) language is enough to do it...

Right.

Psst. Psst. Fetuses in abortion clinics are not put into containers marked "Children". They are put in ones marked "Medical Waste"

If someone put you in a container labeled "medical waste", would that make it true?

I guess in your case it would.

No, that someone would be put into traction...

Fetuses aren't babies. They aren't people. And watching you wingnuts get all worked up about spooge when we've got millions of hungry children in this country is just a farce.

Yes, they are. they are babies and people.

yet your crazy lust of blood is duly noted. Koshergirl is right in her assumptions.
There is only one other person on this board which can be compared in this ghoulish hunger to you, but her problems are in a different plane.

 

[Sarah G]

"Mental illness was blindingly clear in the cases of Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech), Maj. Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood), Jared Loughner (Arizona shopping mall), James Holmes (Colorado movie theater), and a dozen other mass shootings in the past few decades.

But in every instance, Democrats' response was: Let's ban high-capacity magazines! Let's limit private gun sales! Let's publish the names of everyone who owns a registered gun!

Mass shootings don't correlate with any of these things. They correlate with not locking up crazy people. We're not worried about school kids being systematically gunned down by angry husbands, gang members or antique gun collectors. We're worried about a psychotic showing up in a public place and shooting everyone in sight.

Ann Coulter - Official Home Page

Frankly, you are probably the last person who should hope they start locking up crazy people.

most of your posts would probably get you committed.

Very true, very true.

 

[Sarah G]

"Mental illness was blindingly clear in the cases of Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech), Maj. Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood), Jared Loughner (Arizona shopping mall), James Holmes (Colorado movie theater), and a dozen other mass shootings in the past few decades.

But in every instance, Democrats' response was: Let's ban high-capacity magazines! Let's limit private gun sales! Let's publish the names of everyone who owns a registered gun!

Mass shootings don't correlate with any of these things. They correlate with not locking up crazy people. We're not worried about school kids being systematically gunned down by angry husbands, gang members or antique gun collectors. We're worried about a psychotic showing up in a public place and shooting everyone in sight.

Ann Coulter - Official Home Page

Frankly, you are probably the last person who should hope they start locking up crazy people.

most of your posts would probably get you committed.

Ann Coulter would be in the padded room right next to her.

 

[KGB]

I carefully stated that full and continuous legal appeal sould be ALWAYS available when youre dependent on an inexact science to determine your danger level. I fully suport 2nd amend issues. HOWEVER -- if youve been diagnosed with a potential to cause harm OR you are being "treated" with drugs that can impair judgement or mental capacity --- this SHOULD be elevated to a joint medical/LEGAL issue. You have no control over when you are "under the influence" of psych drugs as you do with drugs of CHOICE, such as alcohol or even weed. If you are doing it right --- You will be perpetually under the influence.. This applies to the 10s of millions of drugged out kiddies being pacified with drugs in the same genre as cocaine.

The military would never put weapons in the hands of folks being dosed with deep psych meds or who have been observed to be a potential danger. PERHAPS we can figure out a Constitutionally sensitive way to do the same due diligience in general society.

Psychiatry and neuroscience needs to get better to even attempt to connect mental health issues with legal implications. This shouldnt be a political issue.. Crazy dangerous people on drugs lprobably shouldnt vote or fly Cessnas or drive trains either.

Could we please stop with the military-civilian comparisons? The two are mutually incompatible. The military is a specialized class who is vigorously trained not only on the weapon system of choice but the rules & laws of combat.

You're right. The military has special dispensation to hack into the killing instinct and enhance it.. But EVEN THEY don't want psychiatric patients on drugs in active training or service.

But the point was -- that DISCLOSURE IS REQUIRED for many instances where a person is undergoing psych care. And that adding some type of special disclosure for access to guns should be considered and perhaps have the civil libertarian issues ironed out..

https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/specialissuance/antidepressants/index.cfm?print=go

How long will a pilot be grounded?

For pilots who are beginning treatment with antidepressants, they will be unable to fly for one year. For those pilots who either take advantage of the six-month reporting period or have stopped flying and have a medical history of successful treatment, those pilots should be able to fly within a few months.

How many extra exams will a pilot have to go through if he chooses to disclose that he takes antidepressants?

The pilot will be on a special issuance (waiver) as long as he or she is on medication. The pilot will need to be seen at least annually by a HIMS AME, more if the AME determines that additional visits are warranted. The pilot will need to see a psychiatrist every six months.

What does the FAA do if a pilot discloses that he or she is consulting a therapist (e.g., for anxiety) but there is no clinical diagnosis of depression?

A pilot will not be allowed to fly while undergoing treatment. Once the treatment is complete, the pilot may return to flying.

Dozens of examples of separating psych patients from access to dangerous equipment.

I KNOW !! It's a snake pit.. But it needs to be discussed. And we need better DETECTION and SCIENCE from the psych community..

the problem with your assertion is that you mixing apples & oranges. Owning a gun is a Constitutional right. The only thing you have to do is be born. I do agree we need to keep weapons out of the hands of mentally disturbed individuals, but Constitutional rights can't be stripped without due process. What you are suggesting is proving your innocence with is anathema to everything our country stands for.

 

[whitehall]

Radical lefties don't want to hear it and they will come back with a bunch of insults that have nothing to do with the topic but the sad truth is that all modern mass shooters (including Oswald) were democrats or further left politically than democrats or the offspring of democrats.

 

[flacaltenn]

Could we please stop with the military-civilian comparisons? The two are mutually incompatible. The military is a specialized class who is vigorously trained not only on the weapon system of choice but the rules & laws of combat.

You're right. The military has special dispensation to hack into the killing instinct and enhance it.. But EVEN THEY don't want psychiatric patients on drugs in active training or service.

But the point was -- that DISCLOSURE IS REQUIRED for many instances where a person is undergoing psych care. And that adding some type of special disclosure for access to guns should be considered and perhaps have the civil libertarian issues ironed out..

https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/specialissuance/antidepressants/index.cfm?print=go

How long will a pilot be grounded?

For pilots who are beginning treatment with antidepressants, they will be unable to fly for one year. For those pilots who either take advantage of the six-month reporting period or have stopped flying and have a medical history of successful treatment, those pilots should be able to fly within a few months.

How many extra exams will a pilot have to go through if he chooses to disclose that he takes antidepressants?

The pilot will be on a special issuance (waiver) as long as he or she is on medication. The pilot will need to be seen at least annually by a HIMS AME, more if the AME determines that additional visits are warranted. The pilot will need to see a psychiatrist every six months.

What does the FAA do if a pilot discloses that he or she is consulting a therapist (e.g., for anxiety) but there is no clinical diagnosis of depression?

A pilot will not be allowed to fly while undergoing treatment. Once the treatment is complete, the pilot may return to flying.

Dozens of examples of separating psych patients from access to dangerous equipment.

I KNOW !! It's a snake pit.. But it needs to be discussed. And we need better DETECTION and SCIENCE from the psych community..

the problem with your assertion is that you mixing apples & oranges. Owning a gun is a Constitutional right. The only thing you have to do is be born. I do agree we need to keep weapons out of the hands of mentally disturbed individuals, but Constitutional rights can't be stripped without due process. What you are suggesting is proving your innocence with is anathema to everything our country stands for.

I've got the pedigree for consistent defense of civil rights and liberty. But honestly, if you only needed to be born -- we wouldn't need InstaCheck -- would we? Involuntary commitment IS a legal proceeding. ALL I know is that I can't trust psychiatrists or politicians to make that call. BUT -- I don't think either shrinks or parents ought to fart around with handling a potentially explosive character. There needs to be a mechanism for making law enforcement AWARE of the danger.. And therefore LEGALLY separating these cases from dangerous weapons (or airplanes or college campuses.).

Shrinks or parents are the first line of defense here. And if nothing else -- they OUGHT to be compelled somehow to report or certify that they don't have control of their patients or kids.. OR be held liable if they KNEW of a threat to society.

Going back to the OP --- it's NOT about the guns. It IS about stripping liberty from a select few who are either under the influence of dangerous psych meds or who have made credible threats of harm to the public. Don't know who to trust to do that --- but it NEEDS to get done..

And we need a lot less political whining and mining about these horrible events til we design a better system to either institutionalize or treat these cases.

 

[theHawk]

Yeah, I'm sure that using offensive (to bible thumping morons) language is enough to do it...

Right.

Psst. Psst. Fetuses in abortion clinics are not put into containers marked "Children". They are put in ones marked "Medical Waste"

If someone put you in a container labeled "medical waste", would that make it true?

I guess in your case it would.

No, that someone would be put into traction...

Fetuses aren't babies. They aren't people. And watching you wingnuts get all worked up about spooge when we've got millions of hungry children in this country is just a farce.

Millions of hungry children? This is seriously your argument to justify abortion?

Fetuses may not be babies or "people", but they are a human with its own unique DNA. That is a scientific fact, not religious belief. Just because it cannot survive on its own doesn't mean it isn't a human being.

But hey, don't let the facts stop ya. After all, there is a progressive agenda at stake here, we must convince everyone that the unborn aren't "real" humans, so we can do what we please with them.

 

[Bfgrn]

Unfortunately there are laws that have been put into place in the last 40 years or so, that make it almost impossible to get people committed before they commit a heinous crime.

Which is why we have so many homeless people on the streets. They can't be institutionalized, they can't be convicted of a crime, there are no places to lodge them...so they roam until they die, or someone kills them.

Progressive utopia!

WOW, only a right wing fascist mind could see prison as 'lodging'.

There is NO doubt you folks are the scourge of mankind.

The right wing Utopia is REAL...

Conservatives have built the BIGGEST Nanny State in the history of the world...

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

 

[JoeB131]

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Millions of hungry children? This is seriously your argument to justify abortion?

No, that's why I don't take you religious nuts very seriously. If you gave a flying fuck about poor children, you wouldn't be trying to yank food out of their mouths so rich people could have more Dressage Horses.

The abortion fight isn't about "children", it's about the fact you don't like women controlling their lady parts.

[
Fetuses may not be babies or "people", but they are a human with its own unique DNA. That is a scientific fact, not religious belief. Just because it cannot survive on its own doesn't mean it isn't a human being.

But here's the problem with that. 80% of fertilized zygotes which have their own "unique DNA" never attach to the uterine wall. Yet we don't grant them human rights. Nor do we say they have more rights than the woman they happen to be residing in.

The standard established by Roe v. Wade and all subsequent decisions is viability.

[
But hey, don't let the facts stop ya. After all, there is a progressive agenda at stake here, we must convince everyone that the unborn aren't "real" humans, so we can do what we please with them.

No, we just look at the practical reality that as long as they are inside a woman, it's her choice.

And what you guys suggest obliquely will never work.

Countries have tried to ban abortion, and they've failed every time it's been tried. Abortion is illegal in the Philippines, but they have 500-800K abortions a year, a higher rate than the US. Romania tried to ban abortion in the 1960's. They failed miserably when women figured out how to get around the laws.

Now, if you guys were all really serious about reducing the number of abortions, you'd embrace parts of the progressive agenda. The welfare State, family and medical leave, universal health care- these are all practiced in Western Europe, and they have half the abortion rate we have.

But it's not about the babies, it's about the lady parts.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I just as soon have them kill their babies than have to raise them.

 

[JoeB131]

I just as soon have them kill their babies than have to raise them.

I'd mock you, but that was actually incoherent.

Are you saying YOU'D rather kill poor people's babies than pay for their social programs?

 

[OODA_Loop]

I just as soon have them kill their babies than have to raise them.

I'd mock you, but that was actually incoherent.

Are you saying YOU'D rather kill poor people's babies than pay for their social programs?

Let them cull thier own.

Net benefit.

 

[JoeB131]

I just as soon have them kill their babies than have to raise them.

I'd mock you, but that was actually incoherent.

Are you saying YOU'D rather kill poor people's babies than pay for their social programs?

Let them cull thier own.

Net benefit.

Ooookay. Nope, you're not nuts at all.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I'd mock you, but that was actually incoherent.

Are you saying YOU'D rather kill poor people's babies than pay for their social programs?

Let them cull thier own.

Net benefit.

Ooookay. Nope, you're not nuts at all.

I support a women's right to kill her offspring.

Such a woman would not be a proper mother anyhow.

Net Net Net.

 

[flacaltenn]

Unfortunately there are laws that have been put into place in the last 40 years or so, that make it almost impossible to get people committed before they commit a heinous crime.

Which is why we have so many homeless people on the streets. They can't be institutionalized, they can't be convicted of a crime, there are no places to lodge them...so they roam until they die, or someone kills them.

Progressive utopia!

WOW, only a right wing fascist mind could see prison as 'lodging'.

There is NO doubt you folks are the scourge of mankind.

The right wing Utopia is REAL...

Conservatives have built the BIGGEST Nanny State in the history of the world...

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

Shame that Clinton didn't change anything.. But this is not political.. It's the failed "War on Drugs".. And --- the onerous civil liberties sapping SINCE REAGAN that assist law enforcement in getting rich off of asset forfeiture.. Now a crime to carry too much cash..

NOW -- a toilet flush sound can warrant your door being broken down.. Too many grannies and grandpas getting shot in botched raids as well..

The HEROES fighting this abuse are rare but bipartisian. And of course, SOME OF US, have ALWAYS been outraged --- no matter who's clowns were currently in charge..