Anger at Israeli brutality grows

[Churchill]

You must have me confused with someone else.

So I guess you're also circumised then, it's unfortunate you underwent genital mutilation as a baby, that would turn many men bitter in later life.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So I guess you're also circumised then, it's unfortunate you underwent genital mutilation as a baby, that would turn many men bitter in later life.

Do you have any friends or family members who check in on you?
Your mental infirmity seems to be worsening.

 

[Churchill]

Do you have any friends or family members who check in on you?
Your mental infirmity seems to be worsening.

Look I get it, having your sexual organs mutilated as a baby can leave mental as well as physical scars.

At least as a Muslim you didn't get exposed to a herpes risk as some Jewish babies do when the Rabbi sucks the boy's todger:

Neonatal Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 Infection and Jewish Ritual Circumcision With Oral Suction: A Systematic Review - PubMed

Jewish ritual circumcision rarely but occasionally includes a procedure involving direct oral suction of the wound, which can expose an infant to infection with herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1). This practice has provoked international controversy in recent years, but no systematic review of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Muslims got that right at least, gots to admit, so count yourself lucky

 

[eagle1462010]

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DEATH TO THE MULLAHS OF IRAN

 

[Deadstick]

Jewish Israeli Journalist subjected to Israeli Fascist intimidation for reporting the truth.

 

[Churchill]

Jewish Israeli Journalist subjected to Israeli Fascist intimidation for reporting the truth.

Distressing, actually terrifying, Israel is far more antisemitic than Britain, if that was being done to a Jew in Britain it would be huge front page news, same in the US.

Zionist Israel is among the most malevolent cultures in the world today, it epitomizes evil like we see in very few other countries and its getting worse, the general population are getting worse.

That guy says the same things many of us say, Jewish superiority, ethnic cleansing, racism etc, we get hated for saying it and so do Jews too it seems.

The world must act soon, before the region descends into utter barbaric insanity.

Shusha Hafar1014 rosends - See? it's not just gentiles who are outraged by this fascist monstrous state, as I told you days ago every accusation I make against Zionist Isreal, has already been made by a Jew, I get my understanding from Jews.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Look I get it, having your sexual organs mutilated as a baby can leave mental as well as physical scars.

At least as a Muslim you didn't get exposed to a herpes risk as some Jewish babies do when the Rabbi sucks the boy's todger:

View attachment 1251211

Neonatal Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 Infection and Jewish Ritual Circumcision With Oral Suction: A Systematic Review - PubMed

Jewish ritual circumcision rarely but occasionally includes a procedure involving direct oral suction of the wound, which can expose an infant to infection with herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1). This practice has provoked international controversy in recent years, but no systematic review of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Muslims got that right at least, gots to admit, so count yourself lucky

I'm sorry to see your mental decline is worsening.

 

[Churchill]

I'm sorry to see your mental decline is worsening.

At least I'm a complete man, not one who's had his genitals mutilated by some stone age cult belief system.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

At least I'm a complete man, not one who's had his genitals mutilated by some stone age cult belief system.

You're a complete something all right, but not a man.

 

[Deadstick]

Distressing, actually terrifying, Israel is far more antisemitic than Britain, if that was being done to a Jew in Britain it would be huge front page news, same in the US.

Zionist Israel is among the most malevolent cultures in the world today, it epitomizes evil like we see in very few other countries and its getting worse, the general population are getting worse.

That guy says the same things many of us say, Jewish superiority, ethnic cleansing, racism etc, we get hated for saying it and so do Jews too it seems.

The world must act soon, before the region descends into utter barbaric insanity.

Shusha Hafar1014 rosends - See? it's not just gentiles who are outraged by this fascist monstrous state, as I told you days ago every accusation I make against Zionist Isreal, has already been made by a Jew, I get my understanding from Jews.

The crimes being perpetrated by the Israeli Regime are the worst since Nazi Germany on a organised level, the world had to deal with the Nazis and the Israeli Regime must be dealt with, problem is some Countries are collaborating with the horror,some have not even placed sanctions on Israel, at the very least if the UN means anything they have to indict Israeli officials for their crimes if not through the ICC then other bodies must be established.

 

[Shusha]

This from 2010 is most informative and prophetic. Don’t you agree?

I think the Archons have been feeding a little too much from your brain.

 

[eagle1462010]

The crimes being perpetrated by the Israeli Regime are the worst since Nazi Germany on a organised level, the world had to deal with the Nazis and the Israeli Regime must be dealt with, problem is some Countries are collaborating with the horror,some have not even placed sanctions on Israel, at the very least if the UN means anything they have to indict Israeli officials for their crimes if not through the ICC then other bodies must be established.

Tell the UN to fix the decades of daily rockets from the so called Peaceful Gaza

Oh forgot the UN dont do squat. Wasted U.S. money on it

 

[Shusha]

With all due respect, I will accept the findings of the ICJ and it's team of experts over you interpretations.

Have you actually read the Opinion. (Don't be silly, of course you haven't). I have. I'm not just making this up. I've researched this and I've read the Opinion and all of the individual Judges Opinions. Read the Opinion and let me know where the boundary between Israel and "Palestine" is. Good luck with that.

Excerpt, from the Advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice on the legal consequences arising from the policies and practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, Dissenting Opinion of Vice-President Judge Sebutinde (emphasis mine):

3. Need to balance competing sovereignty claims

59. Another complex issue which is relevant to analysing the legal consequences of the illegality of Israel’s policies and practices is the fact that Israel has its own sovereignty claims regarding parts of the territory which the international community views as the OPT71, an issue not given any attention by most participants. Although there appears to be a broad international consensus around the proposal that the two-State solution should be implemented based on Israel’s 1967 borders, such political consensus cannot, in and of itself, bestow title to territory where none exists under international law, or remove title over territory where such title legally exists. Determination of sovereignty may entail, for example, taking cognizance of and treating differently, areas where there was a predominantly Jewish presence pre-1948 (e.g. the Jewish Quarter of Old Jerusalem or Gush Etzion) vis-à-vis other areas from which Israel unilaterally withdrew (e.g. the Gaza Strip). Requiring Israel’s “immediate, total and unconditional” withdrawal would be tantamount to denying Israel’s legal claims pertaining to parts of those territories.

60. To determine the competing sovereignty claims, the Court would need to shift its focus from a review of “Israel’s policies and practices in the OPTs” to a review of Israel and Palestine’s competing sovereignty claims over different parts of the OPTs, notwithstanding that such matters were not sufficiently argued during these proceedings. Clearly these are complex issues that rightly call for a negotiated, rather than judicial settlement. This is yet another reason why resolution 242 calls for an agreement leading to “termination of all claims” and the acknowledgment of “secure and recognized boundaries”. This is also why the Oslo Accords envisioned final status negotiations over borders. In this respect, Israel’s occupation is different from cases of decolonization (covered by resolution 1514) or termination of League of Nations Mandates (as described in the 1971 Namibia Opinion) where in both cases the occupying Power had no plausible sovereignty claim to any part of the territory in question. It is also different from the Chagos Opinion where the legal dispute underlying the competing sovereignty claims was relatively straightforward and was properly argued before the Court.

 

[Shusha]

I beg your pardon? you referred to the Montevideo Convention, you chose to introduce it to the discussion.

The convention is not law, it was originally drafted for the Americas anyway, it is a convention nothing more. Palestine could be recognized as a state anytime the UN members vote for its recognition as a state, Palestine could be granted full UN membership anytime the UN members vote for that.

No, it can't. Because there is no legal way to determine its boundaries. There would be no way to know where "Palestine" IS. How can you have a country where there is no way to know where to establish control and where to avoid establishing control? How can Israel "end the occupation" when there is no way to know what is occupied and what is not occupied?

 

[Churchill]

Have you actually read the Opinion. (Don't be silly, of course you haven't). I have. I'm not just making this up. I've researched this and I've read the Opinion and all of the individual Judges Opinions. Read the Opinion and let me know where the boundary between Israel and "Palestine" is. Good luck with that.

Excerpt, from the Advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice on the legal consequences arising from the policies and practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, Dissenting Opinion of Vice-President Judge Sebutinde (emphasis mine):

3. Need to balance competing sovereignty claims

59. Another complex issue which is relevant to analysing the legal consequences of the illegality of Israel’s policies and practices is the fact that Israel has its own sovereignty claims regarding parts of the territory which the international community views as the OPT71, an issue not given any attention by most participants. Although there appears to be a broad international consensus around the proposal that the two-State solution should be implemented based on Israel’s 1967 borders, such political consensus cannot, in and of itself, bestow title to territory where none exists under international law, or remove title over territory where such title legally exists. Determination of sovereignty may entail, for example, taking cognizance of and treating differently, areas where there was a predominantly Jewish presence pre-1948 (e.g. the Jewish Quarter of Old Jerusalem or Gush Etzion) vis-à-vis other areas from which Israel unilaterally withdrew (e.g. the Gaza Strip). Requiring Israel’s “immediate, total and unconditional” withdrawal would be tantamount to denying Israel’s legal claims pertaining to parts of those territories.

60. To determine the competing sovereignty claims, the Court would need to shift its focus from a review of “Israel’s policies and practices in the OPTs” to a review of Israel and Palestine’s competing sovereignty claims over different parts of the OPTs, notwithstanding that such matters were not sufficiently argued during these proceedings. Clearly these are complex issues that rightly call for a negotiated, rather than judicial settlement. This is yet another reason why resolution 242 calls for an agreement leading to “termination of all claims” and the acknowledgment of “secure and recognized boundaries”. This is also why the Oslo Accords envisioned final status negotiations over borders. In this respect, Israel’s occupation is different from cases of decolonization (covered by resolution 1514) or termination of League of Nations Mandates (as described in the 1971 Namibia Opinion) where in both cases the occupying Power had no plausible sovereignty claim to any part of the territory in question. It is also different from the Chagos Opinion where the legal dispute underlying the competing sovereignty claims was relatively straightforward and was properly argued before the Court.

I quoted the report because it proves that international law recognizes, accepts as fact, that the Israel's are illegally occupying Palestine. That's what you contested and the ICJ's report(s) repeatedly affirm this.

So you were wrong, Israeli is an illegal occupation force in many parts of Palestine.

You can deny, twist the facts, present ifs and buts all day, but internatiol law is international law and since you invoked international law in your early argument with me you can't reject it when it iconveniently undermines your own pesonal beleifs.

Well you can but that makes you a hypocrite, your choice.

 

[Churchill]

No, it can't. Because there is no legal way to determine its boundaries. There would be no way to know where "Palestine" IS. How can you have a country where there is no way to know where to establish control and where to avoid establishing control? How can Israel "end the occupation" when there is no way to know what is occupied and what is not occupied?

Nothing can stop the UN in fomalizing borders, if Israel borders are well defined then by defintion an independent Palestine's borders become well defined. If Israel's borders are not well defined then you will have to amdit that Israel isn't a real country since defined borders was (according to you) a condition for becoming an independent state.

 

[eagle1462010]

Nothing can stop the UN in fomalizing borders, if Israel borders are well defined then by defintion an independent Palestine's borders become well defined. If Israel's borders are not well defined then you will have to amdit that Israel isn't a real country since defined borders was (according to you) a condition for becoming an independent state.

The UN is a joke.

Do nothing joke.

 

[Churchill]

No, it can't. Because there is no legal way to determine its boundaries. There would be no way to know where "Palestine" IS. How can you have a country where there is no way to know where to establish control and where to avoid establishing control? How can Israel "end the occupation" when there is no way to know what is occupied and what is not occupied?

Nothing can stop the UN from fomalizing borders if the members so choose and vote.

If Israel's borders are well defined then by defintion an independent Palestine's borders become well defined.

If Israel's borders are not well defined then you will have to amdit that Israel isn't a real country since defined borders was (according to you) a condition for becoming an independent state.

 

[Churchill]

The UN is a joke.

Do nothing joke.

Its a democratic organization (founded by your cuntry) so of course you'll be opposed to it.

Trump routinely claims that Iran violates internattiona law, you can't make such a statement and at the same time reject the UN as relevant when that is the basis of international law.

Are you getting all this or am I going to fast for you?

 

[eagle1462010]

Its a democratic organization, so of course you'll be opposed to it.

It fails everywhere.

What did it do in Nigeria? Nothing while ,thousands of Christians were murdered.

Pfft