And the other shoe drops; No more illegal aliens

[hjmick]

One of the constants running through the healthcare debate has been the question of coverage for illegal immigrants. From the beginning I have said it would not be a problem, Obama would simply grant amnesty to the 12 million or so criminals thus solving the question of healthcare coverage for "undocumented resident aliens." As it turns out, he has begun to lay the foundation for just such a move.

Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care
Republicans see a backdoor move toward 'amnesty'

By Stephen Dinan

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered - a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

...

"It is ironic that the president told the American people that illegal immigrants should not be covered by the health care bill, but now just days later he's talking about letting them in the back door," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

"If the American people do not want to provide government health care for illegal immigrants, why would they support giving them citizenship, the highest honor America can bestow?" Mr. Smith said...

Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care - Washington Times

I opposed to the IRCA Amnesty of 1986 (the "one-time only" blanket amnesty for some 2.8 million illegal aliens), I was against amnesty of 1994(a temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens, Section 245(i)), I was against the extension of the 1994 amnesty in 1997, I opposed the NACARA Amnesty of 1997 (an amnesty for nearly one million illegal aliens from Central America), I was opposed to the Haitian amnesty act of 1998 (an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti), I railed against the Late Amnesty of 2000 (an amnesty for approximately 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed they should have been included under the 1986 IRCA amnesty), and the extension of the 1994 rolling amnesty (Section 245(i)) in 2000 got my dander up. I was against Bush's "earned legalization program" in 2004, and I oppose amnesty now.


I do not believe you reward bad or illegal behavior. You don't do it with your children and you certainly don't do it for adults who know better. It only encourages others to break the law(s). Plain and simple.

 

[Sinatra]

One of the constants running through the healthcare debate has been the question of coverage for illegal immigrants. From the beginning I have said it would not be a problem, Obama would simply grant amnesty to the 12 million or so criminals thus solving the question of healthcare coverage for "undocumented resident aliens." As it turns out, he has begun to lay the foundation for just such a move.

Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care
Republicans see a backdoor move toward 'amnesty'

By Stephen Dinan

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered - a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

...

"It is ironic that the president told the American people that illegal immigrants should not be covered by the health care bill, but now just days later he's talking about letting them in the back door," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

"If the American people do not want to provide government health care for illegal immigrants, why would they support giving them citizenship, the highest honor America can bestow?" Mr. Smith said...

Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care - Washington Times

I opposed to the IRCA Amnesty of 1986 (the "one-time only" blanket amnesty for some 2.8 million illegal aliens), I was against amnesty of 1994(a temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens, Section 245(i)), I was against the extension of the 1994 amnesty in 1997, I opposed the NACARA Amnesty of 1997 (an amnesty for nearly one million illegal aliens from Central America), I was opposed to the Haitian amnesty act of 1998 (an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti), I railed against the Late Amnesty of 2000 (an amnesty for approximately 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed they should have been included under the 1986 IRCA amnesty), and the extension of the 1994 rolling amnesty (Section 245(i)) in 2000 got my dander up. I was against Bush's "earned legalization program" in 2004, and I oppose amnesty now.


I do not believe you reward bad or illegal behavior. You don't do it with your children and you certainly don't do it for adults who know better. It only encourages others to break the law(s). Plain and simple.

Remarkable isn't it?

And this will only further feed the swell of hero support for Joe Wilson's accusation that Obama was dishonest during his speech to Congress. While Obama's words said one thing, we now know clearly his intent was entirely another.

He LIES!!!!

 

[Sweet Willy]

You guys are intellectually dishonest.

That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

What about "HERE LEGALLY" do you not understand?

 

[VaYank5150]

You guys are intellectually dishonest.

That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

What about "HERE LEGALLY" do you not understand?

Will you PLEASE stop pointing out FACTS to these morons? It is SO getting in the way of their agenda...

 

[Sinatra]

You guys are intellectually dishonest.

That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

What about "HERE LEGALLY" do you not understand?

Do you understand the context of Obama's message here? He is advocating making all of the current illegals LEGAL with a legislative stroke of the pen - and then as such, they will qualify for healthcare.

Thus, when Obama stated that the plan would not cover illegals, but follows that up by stating he simply wishes to make the illegal now legal, HE is being intellectually dishonest.

Open your eyes pard.

Obama lied before Congress - and thus lied to the American people...

 

[dilloduck]

You guys are intellectually dishonest.

That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

What about "HERE LEGALLY" do you not understand?

Will you PLEASE stop pointing out FACTS to these morons? It is SO getting in the way of their agenda...

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage

Holy shit---can you read ???

 

[hjmick]

You guys are intellectually dishonest.

That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

What about "HERE LEGALLY" do you not understand?

Will you PLEASE stop pointing out FACTS to these morons? It is SO getting in the way of their agenda...

No one is being "intellectually dishonest." Unless it is you two. Or perhaps you were just so blinded by the light that is Obama you couldn't read the opening sentence in the article? Here, let me help you:

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

 

[Sinatra]

You guys are intellectually dishonest.



What about "HERE LEGALLY" do you not understand?

Will you PLEASE stop pointing out FACTS to these morons? It is SO getting in the way of their agenda...

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage

Holy shit---can you read ???

Exactly! The FACT is that Obama is being so misleading - he tells Congress no coverage for illegals, then steps in front of a pro-immigration bill crowd and tells them we must make the 12 millions illegals in America legal so they can get healthcare.

The dishonesty is ASTOUNDING.

 

[Sinatra]

It appears the reader feedback on the Washington Times article shares similar outrage as some in this thread regarding Obama making illegals legal and then giving them healthcare...


NastyNan

So now are we back up to $47 million. Does Joe Wilson get to call him a liar again? Just how dishonest and cowardly can one idiot president become in such a short time? He's not even a rookie - we're talking T-ball.Mark as offensive
browncow

This idea from President looks like a lot of the other great ideas. Does anyone believe democrats under the thumb of President Obama will not bend the law as far as needed to get more voters under progressive control? I guess the President will tell us if the monster medical socialist plan is passed he is going to be forced to break the constitution's back if needed to get illegals legal.

MindTinker

"anyone in the country legally should be covered" ~~~ Humm. . . . So, a person who, maybe, has a severe illness for which he/she cannot get immediate treatment, due to the long wait periods under the socialized healthcare system of his/her own country, may be able to come to America legally, say, under a tourist visa of some sort (legally mind you) and, thereby, be able to check into an American hospital for coverage under Obamacare? . . . Brilliant Constitutional lawyer we have as our President, folks.

bandaid

This is pure BS. The ONLY reason b.o. and the left want to legalize the illegal aliens in this country and give them free health care and all the other benefits they can is to garner votes=power. This is a disgrace. Immigrants who are here illegally should be deported immediately, and not allowed in until they can do it the right way. I am sick of people scoffing at the laws in this country, including b.o. and his cronies.

MindTinker

The next DC TEA Party will be more than the million+ who showed up Sept 12th. Obviously, Obama didn't hear that crowd.

volunteerchild

And the more he talks like this, the more even the old time Democrats are no longer listening.
sovereignty

"Mr. Obama said legalizing illegal immigrants is a way to take the sting out of the entire issue." How utterly STUPID is the imbecile at the helm of this country? To those idiots who stole the White House for him..... well, as the saying goes "stupid is as stupid does"!

mac691

Thanks Pres. I guess you think that you just haven't done enough damage to the fabric of this country. Hey, assclown, how is this for an idea. We create a new tax. Dems alone support all their idiotic ideas from their own pockets instead of stealing from hard working legal Americans.

skytop

The deceptive president wants to give, give give to the illegals. He is actually buying their votes. This is appaling. It is a total disgrace. This president wants to overload the U.S. financial system to the breaking point. This is TOTAL GREED, total self serving policies, and designed to leathally damage the country.

JFKdem

Whomever is writing his teleprompter speeches needs to be replaced, BHO is looking more like a fool (Jimmy Carter) every day.

 

[indianaboy]

I guess Wilson was wrong when he shouted "You lie." Illegals won't be covered under Obamacare... because there will be no more illegals.

 

[Ravi]

One of the constants running through the healthcare debate has been the question of coverage for illegal immigrants. From the beginning I have said it would not be a problem, Obama would simply grant amnesty to the 12 million or so criminals thus solving the question of healthcare coverage for "undocumented resident aliens." As it turns out, he has begun to lay the foundation for just such a move.

Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care
Republicans see a backdoor move toward 'amnesty'

By Stephen Dinan

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered - a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else...

...

"It is ironic that the president told the American people that illegal immigrants should not be covered by the health care bill, but now just days later he's talking about letting them in the back door," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

"If the American people do not want to provide government health care for illegal immigrants, why would they support giving them citizenship, the highest honor America can bestow?" Mr. Smith said...

Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care - Washington Times

I opposed to the IRCA Amnesty of 1986 (the "one-time only" blanket amnesty for some 2.8 million illegal aliens), I was against amnesty of 1994(a temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens, Section 245(i)), I was against the extension of the 1994 amnesty in 1997, I opposed the NACARA Amnesty of 1997 (an amnesty for nearly one million illegal aliens from Central America), I was opposed to the Haitian amnesty act of 1998 (an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti), I railed against the Late Amnesty of 2000 (an amnesty for approximately 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed they should have been included under the 1986 IRCA amnesty), and the extension of the 1994 rolling amnesty (Section 245(i)) in 2000 got my dander up. I was against Bush's "earned legalization program" in 2004, and I oppose amnesty now.


I do not believe you reward bad or illegal behavior. You don't do it with your children and you certainly don't do it for adults who know better. It only encourages others to break the law(s). Plain and simple.

Interesting that you take "resolving the issue" to mean blanket amnesty. I doubt that's what he meant...he's at least smart enough to learn something from Reagan's mistake.

 

[Ravi]

You guys are intellectually dishonest.



What about "HERE LEGALLY" do you not understand?

Will you PLEASE stop pointing out FACTS to these morons? It is SO getting in the way of their agenda...

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage

Holy shit---can you read ???

Except he didn't say that. The Washington Time's editorialized his speech.

You people are shameless. Sometimes I really do believe you all hate the country.

 

[VaYank5150]

Will you PLEASE stop pointing out FACTS to these morons? It is SO getting in the way of their agenda...

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage

Holy shit---can you read ???

Except he didn't say that. The Washington Time's editorialized his speech.

You people are shameless. Sometimes I really do believe you all hate the country.

I already gave up on this thread Ravi. Do you REALLY expect them to know the difference? Or at least be honest about it? I think not.

 

[Dr.House]

Blanket amnesty would sink the SS 0bama....

He's stupid, but I don't think he's THAT stupid... I could be wrong, though...

 

[JakeStarkey]

The anti-government libertarian crowd here remind me of turkeys at feeding time: lots of cackle, waddle, drool, and no sense.

 

[VaYank5150]

The anti-government libertarian crowd here remind me of turkeys at feeding time: lots of cackle, waddle, drool, and no sense.

I believe you have offended the turkeys and should apologize.

 

[Ravi]

It's threads like these that make me wonder if the righties are dishonest or just stupid.

 

[hjmick]

Interesting that you take "resolving the issue" to mean blanket amnesty. I doubt that's what he meant...he's at least smart enough to learn something from Reagan's mistake.

I am all for resolving the issue of our porous borders and our muddled immigration laws, but finding a way to "legalize" those currently in this country illegally will do nothing to that end. The article itself is less about immigration laws than it is about who will get government funded healthcare and who won't. The only way to legalize 12 million plus illegal immigrants, as mentioned in the first sentence of the piece, is to grant them amnesty. You say that "he's at least smart enough to learn something from Reagan's mistake," but Clinton failed to learn, as did Bush Jr. I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe President Obama is above signing an amnesty bill.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I see no problem with an amnesty bill provided the border is secured, period.

12mm illegal become legals? From the ones I know their work ethic and general common sense are far superior to the anti-government libertarian crowd on the forum.

 

[Sinatra]

Will you PLEASE stop pointing out FACTS to these morons? It is SO getting in the way of their agenda...

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage

Holy shit---can you read ???

Except he didn't say that. The Washington Time's editorialized his speech.

You people are shameless. Sometimes I really do believe you all hate the country.

Ah, so the Washington Times is misreprenting Obama's intent on legalizing illegals so they qualify for healthcare eh?

Really...


President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama were on hand Wednesday, September 16th for the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute's awards dinner honoring Marc Anthony. The President spoke on health care and illegal immigration, stating that no illegals would be covered under pending legislation. However, he also stated that the country's immigration system was broken and that we should work to fix the system in order to provide health care for those here legally.

In other words, amnesty for illegals, health care for legals, and the Democrats get to fulfill all promises and the media largely skirts the matter and the President's promises largely go unreported. Has anyone else seen the following on major media, television news or even FOX for that matter?

Oh, and as a humorous aside, note the charcoal-clear teleprompter in full view directly between the camera and the President...

The President's remarks on illegals, legals and health care fall in the second half of the video.

There have been many concerns voiced that HR 3200 or other legislation on health care would contain provisions offering public coverage for illegal aliens. And the public option has encountered significant opposition due to the likelihood it would be the mechanism for providing such coverage. And the President has received significant criticism from those who don't believe his statements that illegals will not receive coverage.

This marks the first time that the President has publicly stated his support in detail to offer amnesty to those here illegally in order that they receive publicly-funded health care benefits, "Just like everyone else."

Obama: Legalize illegals to offer them health care

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Tl671xASM]YouTube - Obama: Illegals Won't Be Covered Under My Plan. So, We'll Just Legalize The 12 Million Undocumented.[/ame]