And so it begins.

[daveman]

Not really. I've defended Trump in the past. I've said he's not a fascist. But goddamn if you guys aren't doing your best to mimic the Nazis. It's getting creepy.

Punishing criminals is Nazi behavior?

 

[dblack]

Punishing criminals is Nazi behavior?

Don't play stupid. Using the government to get revenge on your political enemies is Nazi behavior. So is purging government of dissent and demanding lock-step loyalty. How far will you go down this road? Will you push back if it gets worse?

 

[daveman]

Don't play stupid. Using the government to get revenge on your political enemies is Nazi behavior. So is purging government of dissent and demanding lock-step loyalty. How far will you go down this road? Will you push back if it gets worse?

Of course I will. I am not a Democrat, wanting the government to punish Wrongthinkers.

Did you kick up this much of a fuss when the Democrats were weaponizing government agencies against Trump?

 

[JGalt]

I hope not. I hope, as things start tilting in that direction there's some push back, from withing you're own party. But it's not looking good. Republican pols are all too eager to kiss the ring.

Trump is obsessed with removing all dissent from his government. And he's targeting the military as well. That's not a good sign.

I don't see it that way. Trump is just removing obstacles who are in the way of him performing his presidential duties. The federal government is permeated with leakers, spies, saboteurs, back-stabbers, vipers, and other radical bomb-throwers whose entire purpose in life is to undermine everything President Trump wants to accomplish. Some them even have a big capital [R] next to their names.

Anyone who paid attention during his first term can tell you that. And what Trump is doing is no different than the same thing Obama or Biden did. Except Obama and Biden really did use the full power of the federal government to harass, discredit, bankrupt, censor, and imprison their opponents.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

 

[dblack]

Of course I will. I am not a Democrat, wanting the government to punish Wrongthinkers.

Well, isn't that's what Trump is doing? He's obsessed with loyalty. It sounds like he intends to purge dissent across the board. I hope he doesn't do that, but will you support him if he does?

Did you kick up this much of a fuss when the Democrats were weaponizing government agencies against Trump?

Yep. But they did it anyway. Back and forth we go. Government gets worse and worse, all in the name of revenge.

 

[daveman]

Well, isn't that's what Trump is doing? He's obsessed with loyalty. It sounds like he intends to purge dissent across the board. I hope he doesn't do that, but will you support him if he does?

You keep saying you want Democrats prosecuted for their crimes, and then you keep saying shit like this, like you believe Trump's just looking for revenge.

Make up your mind and quit waffling.

Yep. But they did it anyway. Back and forth we go. Government gets worse and worse, all in the name of revenge.

Justice =/= revenge.

 

[dblack]

I don't see it that way. Trump is just removing obstacles who are in the way of him performing his presidential duties. The federal government is permeated with leakers, spies, saboteurs, back-stabbers, vipers, and other radical bomb-throwers whose entire purpose in life is to undermine everything President Trump wants to accomplish. Some them even have a big capital [R] next to their names.

See. That's scary shit, seeing you rationalizing it like that. It tells me you won't push back because you won't even admit it's happening.

And what Trump is doing is no different than the same thing Obama or Biden did. Except Obama and Biden really did use the full power of the federal government to harass, discredit, bankrupt, censor, and imprison their opponents.

Yep. But Trump is more overt about it. And his followers don't seem to mind.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

So stop. I see what's going on.

 

[JGalt]

See. That's scary shit, seeing you rationalizing it like that. It tells me you won't push back because you won't even admit it's happening.


Yep. But Trump is more overt about it. And his followers don't seem to mind.


So stop. I see what's going on.

Ok then. You appear to be such a rigid ideologue that nobody's going to change your mind about anything, so you just go on being you.

 

[dblack]

Ok then. You appear to be such a rigid ideologue that nobody's going to change your mind about anything, so you just go on being you.

Rigid ideologue? Because I'm calling the Republicans on some creepy shit?

 

[JGalt]

Rigid ideologue? Because I'm calling the Republicans on some creepy shit?

As someone who's seen Presidents all the way back to Truman, I know "creepy shit." And that would be the things that went on under Obama and Biden.

This is nothing.

 

[dblack]

As someone who's seen Presidents all the way back to Truman, I know "creepy shit." And that would be the things that went on under Obama and Biden.

This is nothing.

So you keep saying. I hope you're right.

 

[berg80]

Tell me about what Bill Clinton did.....

He has extra marital affairs.

 

[berg80]

It's not like Democrats give a shit about immigrant kids anyway. 325,000 have gone missing, most likely into the hands of traffickers.

WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Nearly 1,000 migrant children separated at the U.S.-Mexico border by the administration of former President Donald Trump have yet to be reunited with their parents despite a two-year effort by President Joe Biden.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said on Thursday of the 998 children still separated, 148 were in the process of reunification.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/close-1000-migrant-children-separated-by-trump-yet-be-reunited-with-parents-2023-02-02/

 

[berg80]

The cabinet nominees are meant to be a political football, not a serious attempt to name competent staff.

 

[dblack]

The cabinet nominees are meant to be a political football, not a serious attempt to name competent staff.

It's a loyalty test.

 

[Lesh]

It's not like Democrats give a shit about immigrant kids anyway. 325,000 have gone missing, most likely into the hands of traffickers.

Not true.

 

[berg80]

It's a loyalty test.

Yes.

 

[berg80]

Did you kick up this much of a fuss when the Democrats were weaponizing government agencies against Trump?

Following the lead of multiple grand juries who voted to indict trump based on overwhelming evidence of his guilt is not weaponizing the government. It's the government enforcing the rule of law.

 

[daveman]

WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Nearly 1,000 migrant children separated at the U.S.-Mexico border by the administration of former President Donald Trump have yet to be reunited with their parents despite a two-year effort by President Joe Biden.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said on Thursday of the 998 children still separated, 148 were in the process of reunification.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/close-1000-migrant-children-separated-by-trump-yet-be-reunited-with-parents-2023-02-02/

That's an indictment of DHS, not Trump.

Meanwhile...

Biden-Harris admin loses track of 320,000 migrant children — with untold numbers at risk of sex trafficking and forced labor​

The Biden-Harris administration has lost track of more than 320,000 migrant children who crossed the border without parents, according to a shocking new report.

Untold numbers of the children — who were released into the US to “qualified sponsors” — are now at risk of sex trafficking, forced labor and other forms of exploitation, a Homeland Security Inspector General’s report released Monday said.

As of May 2024, there are 291,000 migrant children who arrived in the US as unaccompanied minors who were set free and never given a date to appear in immigration court — meaning there is no way to track their whereabouts.

That is in addition to the 32,000 children that Immigration and Customs Enforcement authorities released into the US with hearing dates but then failed to show in court, according to the 14-page report — which tracked a period from October 2018 to September 2023.

One federal whistleblower said that she believes many of these vulnerable kids could already be in the hands of criminals and sex traffickers.

Tara Rodas, who was recruited as a federal government employee to help the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) with an influx of migrant kids in 2021, believed she would be doing noble work. However, she told The Post she was shocked to find she was handing those children to “traffickers, members of transnational criminal organizations, bad actors, bad, bad, bad people.”

When migrants cross the border illegally as children and are apprehended by border agents, they are released to HHS, which helps them connect with their sponsor in the US.

That sponsor doesn’t have to be a family member and during their vetting process are never required to meet with HHS officials in person. The vetting is typically done over the phone, said Rodas.

“At the very beginning of the Biden administration, they stripped all the vetting out of the process,” Rodas said.

Rodas told a House panel last month that one case she saw involved a 16-year-old migrant girl who was sponsor who claimed to be her older brother.

“He was touching her inappropriately. It was clear her sponsor was not her brother,” Rodas said, noting that the girl “looked drugged” and as if “she was for sale” on her sponsor’s social media postings.

Some non-family sponsors have even been found to be sponsoring multiple children released by HHS, which Rodas described as a “red flag.”

Hundreds of such cases were reported in 2023, where it was found that 344 unaccompanied migrant kids released by the Biden administration were living with non-family sponsors who were hosting at least three migrant children, according to NBC News.

Dr. Jason Piccolo, a retired federal agent who blew the whistle in 2015 on the government releasing unaccompanied children to potential criminals, said the latest revelations about the missing children are “deeply concerning.”

Some of the children the federal government has released into the US are working in exploitative conditions in slaughterhouses and factories, according to multiple media reports.

“There needs to be an immediate standard operating procedure put in place to track the status and whereabouts of every single unaccompanied migrant child across all involved agencies,” said Piccolo.

“One child lost to trafficking is one too many. This systemic failure demands immediate attention and reform to ensure the safety of all children in our care,” Piccolo added.

Did you see the part where Biden stripped away all vetting from the process?

The Biden Administration is directly enabling child trafficking.

You can stop pretending you care about immigrant children now.

 

[daveman]

Not true.

It is. Just because you don't want to face the fact of the Biden Admin directly enabling child trafficking doesn't change the reality.