Zone1 And On A Personal Note....

[Robert W]

Are you serious? I responded comprehensively and in depth to what they said to me. They have yet to respond to any of it, and they won't, because there's nothing there.

Be honest Robert. I know you can.

You saw my post. You said this poster would respond. They haven't. They won't.

She did respond. I am serious you did make a good point.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I understand that the Asians now regret being snookered by racist whites into going against their own best interests.

Their admissions have plummeted.

I almost feel sorry for them.

Your ability to relate cause and effect is non-existent.

Stop embarrassing yourself and only post when spoken to.

 

[Anomalism]

She did respond. I am serious you did make a good point.

The poster linked to another thread and wants to debate the definition of the word "substance."

It has nothing to do with my post. Do you actually not understand?

 

[Robert W]

2. “Progressives share sympathies with communists.”

Sharing some values, like wanting a safety net or worker protections, doesn’t make someone a communist. By that logic, Dwight Eisenhower, who expanded Social Security and built the interstate highway system, was a Marxist. This “guilt by adjacency” tactic is intellectually lazy and historically dishonest. Kengor’s quote is propaganda, not scholarship. Saying “dupes” doesn’t prove people are dupes. It just assumes your worldview is the only valid one.

Let's stick to parties we can actually discuss. Such as Democrats vs Republicans.

Communists are now located in particular countries. No idea where progressives hide out.

Communists do not provide any safety nets. They are dictators.

 

[Robert W]

The poster linked to another thread and wants to debate the definition of the word "substance."

So now you admit it is you refusing to debate!!

 

[Anomalism]

Let's stick to parties we can actually discuss. Such as Democrats vs Republicans.

Communists are now located in particular countries. No idea where progressives hide out.

Communists do not provide any safety nets. They are dictators.

We can have a conversation Robert. You are clearly more willing to do so than the OP. I was demonstrating something to you though.

 

[Anomalism]

So now you admit it is you refusing to debate!!

It's nonsense to deflect from the post they refuse to engage with. It's a distraction that proves my point. I responded comprehensively to what they said, and they still refuse to respond. Do you honestly not see it?

You literally saw my response. You have tried yourself to engage with it. The OP hasn't, and won't. What's complicated about this?

When I give a comprehensive response and they start trying to pedanticly debate the definition of words it is a deflection, and a desperate one.

 

[Robert W]

3. “Communist Bernie got more votes than Hillary in 2020 and had it stolen.”

She wasn’t even running in 2020, and in 2016, she won both the popular vote and the delegate count. If your narrative needs fiction to work, that should tell you something. Also, Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a communist. There’s a massive difference, and you know it. You just don’t care, because precision gets in the way of fear.

Not true about Hillary in 2016. She did not win what she had to win to be president. She lost the electoral vote. That is a must to be president.

Communism still exists. Take China. Does not matter who Chinese elect, the winner is always a communist. Socialists are not democrats. However, Democrats want to be socialists and some work hard to become full time socialists.

 

[Robert W]

It's nonsense to deflect from the post they refuse to engage with. It's a distraction that proves my point. I responded comprehensively to what they said, and they still refuse to respond. Do you honestly not see it?

You literally saw my response. You have tried yourself to engage with it. The OP hasn't, and won't. What's complicated about this?

When I give a comprehensive response and they start trying to pedanticly debate the definition of words it is a deflection, and a desperate one.

Your problem is you appeal to dishonest posters.

 

[Anomalism]

Not true about Hillary in 2016. She did not win what she had to win to be president. She lost the electoral vote. That is a must to be president.

Communism still exists. Take China. Does not matter who Chinese elect, the winner is always a communist. Socialists are not democrats. However, Democrats want to be socialists and some work hard to become full time socialists.

I think you see it but you don't want to admit it. You're trying to do the work the OP refuses to. As I said, I'm more than happy to have a conversation with you.

You told me the OP would address my points though. They haven't, and won't. They deflect to nonsense just like I said they would.

 

[Leo123]

Robert W

In case you forgot my response that they never did and never will respond to...

You’re not presenting facts. You’re presenting ideology masquerading as fact, and the more important question is why do you need the enemy to be that evil to justify your position?

1. “Most of us remember when Democrats denied being socialist/communist.”

Mainstream Democrats support mixed-market capitalism, not state ownership of all production. Words like “communist” are used here not as accurate descriptions, but as weapons, a way to paint your opponents as inherently un-American. That’s Cold War cosplay, not policy analysis.

2. “Progressives share sympathies with communists.”

Sharing some values, like wanting a safety net or worker protections, doesn’t make someone a communist. By that logic, Dwight Eisenhower, who expanded Social Security and built the interstate highway system, was a Marxist. This “guilt by adjacency” tactic is intellectually lazy and historically dishonest. Kengor’s quote is propaganda, not scholarship. Saying “dupes” doesn’t prove people are dupes. It just assumes your worldview is the only valid one.

3. “Communist Bernie got more votes than Hillary in 2020 and had it stolen.”

She wasn’t even running in 2020, and in 2016, she won both the popular vote and the delegate count. If your narrative needs fiction to work, that should tell you something. Also, Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a communist. There’s a massive difference, and you know it. You just don’t care, because precision gets in the way of fear.

4. “Only one Democrat voter said they’d reconsider depending on the agenda.”

That’s not data, it’s anecdote, and if you think your thread proves all Democrats are communists because one anonymous person didn’t express doubt, you’re not arguing; you’re proselytizing.

5. “Openly Marxist candidates are running and winning under the Democrat banner.”

Yes, a handful of DSA-backed candidates have won local or state elections. That doesn’t mean the party as a whole is Marxist. A few libertarian anarchists also run under the GOP. Should I say that proves Republicans are an anti-government insurgency, or do I owe them more intellectual honesty than that?

Your closer “The Democrat Party is not American.”

Here’s where the mask slips. This isn’t about policy. This is about identity, purity, and exclusion. You’re saying half the country isn’t really American if they disagree with you. That’s not patriotism. That’s factionalism taken to a dangerous place. Historically, every authoritarian movement starts by deciding who really belongs. Calling fellow Americans “comrades” as a slur tells me more about your insecurity than your argument.

If your ideology depends on demonizing tens of millions of citizens as enemies of the nation, maybe it’s not actually about loving America. Maybe it’s about fearing change, and maybe what you’re calling “truth” is just an excuse to stop listening.

1) 'Mixed market capitalism' is socialism trying to upend capitalism.
2) U.S. social security is like socialism. It's a program that takes $$$ from working folks and given them a pittance return when they get old.
3) Bernie is an American Communist. Just because he calls himself a Democrat does not make his policies good for America.
4) Today's Democrat party has been invaded by radical Marxists. They don't call themselves Marxists because that would be a death blow to the party.
5) Cities that ignore immigration law are certainly not American. The NY candidate is a straight up Marxist.

I identify as an American. My party is Republican which does exclude the radical Democrats who have been infiltrated by Marxists. Over half of the U.S. is traditional American. I would say Democrats calling half the population 'deplorables' and going after a legitimate POTUS (Trump) using fake documents qualifies for treason. That is the real 'dangerous place.' Your last paragraph describes Democrats to a T.

 

[Robert W]

I think you see it but you don't want to admit it.

I see precisely what you try to do.

 

[Anomalism]

1) 'Mixed market capitalism' is socialism trying to upend capitalism.
2) U.S. social security is like socialism. It's a program that takes $$$ from working folks and given them a pittance return when they get old.
3) Bernie is an American Communist. Just because he calls himself a Democrat does not make his policies good for America.
4) Today's Democrat party has been invaded by radical Marxists. They don't call themselves Marxists because that would be a death blow to the party.
5) Cities that ignore immigration law are certainly not American. The NY candidate is a straight up Marxist.

I identify as an American. My party is Republican which does exclude the radical Democrats who have been infiltrated by Marxists. Over half of the U.S. is traditional American. I would say Democrats calling half the population 'deplorables' and going after a legitimate POTUS (Trump) using fake documents qualifies for treason. That is the real 'dangerous place.' Your last paragraph describes Democrats to a T.

I was here to prove a point, but unlike the OP I am actually capable of a back and forth debate, so let's do it.

1. “Mixed market capitalism is socialism trying to upend capitalism.”

That’s an ideological opinion, not a definition. A mixed-market economy, by design, blends capitalism with some public services or regulations in an attempt to protect stability and opportunity with things like FDIC insurance, roads, or public schools. If that’s “socialism" then Eisenhower, Reagan, and every president in modern history was a socialist. That term starts to lose all meaning when applied so broadly.

2. “Social Security is like socialism.”

Yes, Social Security is a social safety net. That doesn’t make it Marxist.

3. “Bernie is a communist.”

Bernie Sanders identifies as a democratic socialist, which is not communism. The distinction matters. One advocates for regulated capitalism with social programs, the other for abolishing private ownership of production. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that difference, you're arguing in bad faith.

4. “Democrats have been infiltrated by Marxists.”

And yet the Democrat platform is overwhelmingly capitalist, pro-business, and centrist by global standards. If radical Marxists have truly infiltrated it, they’re doing a terrible job. A few far left candidates winning local races doesn’t define an entire party any more than far right nationalists define Republicans.

5. “Sanctuary cities are not American.”

I don't like sanctuary cities either. However, if local jurisdictions choose different enforcement priorities, that’s called federalism, not treason.

You say: “I identify as an American.”

So do I. So do the tens of millions of people who disagree with you. That’s the whole point of a republic, to settle disagreements without pretending your opponents are enemies of the state.

“Over half of the U.S. is traditional American.”

What exactly does “traditional” mean here? White? Christian? Conservative? History is full of tragic lessons about what happens when people start deciding who is real and who is not.

Final thought...

When your argument depends on reducing complex people and policies to caricatures, “Marxists,” “traitors,” “deplorables," you’re not preserving America. You’re narrowing it into a shape that only reflects your values.

Let’s debate ideas, but if you can’t make your case without declaring half the country illegitimate, maybe it’s time to ask what kind of America you actually want, and whether it includes anyone but people who already agree with you.

Also, I completely recognize the fact that Democrats are just as guilty of these things.

 

[toobfreak]

I have noticed that lefties are always very vocal about their politics assuming everyone agrees with their POV.

Leftards are very good for studying child psychology as they act just like little kids when they aren't out trying to burn your house down or kill you like an Iranian.

Leftards most preferred ploy is to Attack The Messenger, probably because it comes with no burden for proof and any idiot can make them.

Case in point is the Left's favorite defender: Star Child #1 Mac1958: His every comment is to put down Trump and his supporters at what a sad, predictable lot they are, yet does he ever offer his better solution for the right way something should be done? Nope. That would take brains and panache. Worse, an actual solution would require thinking, planning, backing, and most of all, to offer an actual solution would be to offer something up which could then be attacked or criticized.

The Left's favorite ploy is to just harp on how bad Trump is or how stupid his base is, but not to offer any proof much less ideas on the right way to be otherwise, then you would have something to attack and criticize.

And under no circumstances do leftards ever offer solutions or even ideas as these would require thinking and defending, so all they do is tell you how bad your ideas are, or how wrong YOU are. Asked what better solutions they have, you'll not get any answer, or at best, their answer is that they don't have to tell you because:

1. They've repeated it already 10,051 times.
2. People with half a brain already know, of which, you are not a part of that crowd.
3. Entirely change subject.

Truth is, it is all a bluff by braindead muffins because these idiots don't know shit about anything--- if they actually did, they would have found somebody better than Biden or Harris and run a campaign within a million miles of actually succeeding instead of hiring Oprah and Beyonce for a billion dollars.

 

[Leo123]

Leftards are very good for studying child psychology as they act just like little kids when they aren't out trying to burn your house down or kill you like an Iranian.

Leftards most preferred ploy is to Attack The Messenger, probably because it comes with no burden for proof and any idiot can make them.

Case in point is the Left's favorite defender: Star Child #1 Mac1958: His every comment is to put down Trump and his supporters at what a sad, predictable lot they are, yet does he ever offer his better solution for the right way something should be done? Nope. That would take brains and panache. Worse, an actual solution would require thinking, planning, backing, and most of all, to offer an actual solution would be to offer something up which could then be attacked or criticized.

The Left's favorite ploy is to just harp on how bad Trump is or how stupid his base is, but not to offer any proof much less ideas on the right way to be otherwise, then you would have something to attack and criticize.

And under no circumstances do leftards ever offer solutions or even ideas as these would require thinking and defending, so all they do is tell you how bad your ideas are, or how wrong YOU are. Asked what better solutions they have, you'll not get any answer, or at best, their answer is that they don't have to tell you because:

1. They've repeated it already 10,051 times.
2. People with half a brain already know, of which, you are not a part of that crowd.
3. Entirely change subject.

Truth is, it is all a bluff by braindead muffins because these idiots don't know shit about anything--- if they actually did, they would have found somebody better than Biden or Harris and run a campaign within a million miles of actually succeeding instead of hiring Oprah and Beyonce for a billion dollars.

If one goes to almost any event in a liberal area, it will always be ruined by fat mouthed liberals. I am also a musician (guitar player for 40+ years) and always sad to see so many leftards blabbing political shit and ruining a good gig or jam.

 

[toobfreak]

If one goes to almost any event in a liberal area, it will always be ruined by fat mouthed liberals. I am also a musician (guitar player for 40+ years) and always sad to see so many leftards blabbing political shit and ruining a good gig or jam.

Ain't it the truth. I've played a few instruments and have known some guitar players, but thankfully, we never got into any politics.

 

[Leo123]

I was here to prove a point, but unlike the OP I am actually capable of a back and forth debate, so let's do it.

1. “Mixed market capitalism is socialism trying to upend capitalism.”

That’s an ideological opinion, not a definition. A mixed-market economy, by design, blends capitalism with some public services or regulations in an attempt to protect stability and opportunity with things like FDIC insurance, roads, or public schools. If that’s “socialism" then Eisenhower, Reagan, and every president in modern history was a socialist. That term starts to lose all meaning when applied so broadly.

Mixed Market Capitalism is also not a definition, of anything. It's a stupid word combination in the first place. Marxies love to rape the language like this. What you are describing is NOT socialism it is government regulation in certain areas for the benefit of all. That way folks can be the most independent from the State.

2. “Social Security is like socialism.”

Yes, Social Security is a social safety net. That doesn’t make it Marxist.

Yeah all for one and all for all.......Except the big pot of money in the general fund that NONE of the SS recipients will ever see. All the while crying 'poor mouth' because their Ponzi scheme of using one person to pay another, is not really working out. FDR started a leviathan-like revenue parasite.

3. “Bernie is a communist.”

Bernie Sanders identifies as a democratic socialist, which is not communism. The distinction matters. One advocates for regulated capitalism with social programs, the other for abolishing private ownership of production. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that difference, you're arguing in bad faith.

There is no such thing as a 'Democrat Socialist' and if he called himself that, he's a liar.

4. “Democrats have been infiltrated by Marxists.”

And yet the Democrat platform is overwhelmingly capitalist, pro-business, and centrist by global standards. If radical Marxists have truly infiltrated it, they’re doing a terrible job. A few far left candidates winning local races doesn’t define an entire party any more than far right nationalists define Republicans.

One of the first things Marxists do is brain wash the youth, like making them be unsure of their own sex. Next they thwart the procreation cycle by bestowing blame on 'stay at home' women who value a husband, house and children. They are truly insane people these wannabe Marxies.

5. “Sanctuary cities are not American.”

I don't like sanctuary cities either. However, if local jurisdictions choose different enforcement priorities, that’s called federalism, not treason.

If they allow our borders to be over ridden, they are committing straight up treason.

You say: “I identify as an American.”

So do I. So do the tens of millions of people who disagree with you. That’s the whole point of a republic, to settle disagreements without pretending your opponents are enemies of the state.

“Over half of the U.S. is traditional American.”

What exactly does “traditional” mean here? White? Christian? Conservative? History is full of tragic lessons about what happens when people start deciding who is real and who is not.

Disagreement is one thing, cheering for trampled borders, and attacking law enforcement is criminal. Subverting the rule of law to make up false charges on a Candidate, try to put him in jail etc. Of course, Biden and his cronies won't spend a minute where they should be, in jail thinking about all the harm they have caused Americans.

Final thought...

When your argument depends on reducing complex people and policies to caricatures, “Marxists,” “traitors,” “deplorables," you’re not preserving America. You’re narrowing it into a shape that only reflects your values.

Let’s debate ideas, but if you can’t make your case without declaring half the country illegitimate, maybe it’s time to ask what kind of America you actually want, and whether it includes anyone but people who already agree with you.

Also, I completely recognize the fact that Democrats are just as guilty of these things.

'Deplorables' was coined by Hillary Clinton and avowed Marxists are funneling money into the far left radical element. George Soros for one. The demonstrations are all paid participants. There is no grass roots there at all.

 

[Mac-7]

I'm dying to share this news about Brown University, but I don't dare bring it up at family gatherings.
My sister, who I love dearly, and I, are examples of the American dream, both of us immigrants to American, both Ivy League grads, both successful.....but Sis, a Brown grad, votes Left/Democrat.

So, when I saw today's report about how Trump tamed another Ivy, I wanted to badly to repeat it, but I don't dare to with Sis.


1."President Trump celebrated the deal Brown University struck with the administration to restore funding Thursday, another notch under the president’s belt in his war with higher education.
“Woke is officially DEAD at Brown.


2. “Congratulations to Brown University on the settlement made with the United States Government. There will be no more Anti-Semitism, or Anti-Christian, or Anti-Anything Else!” Trump posted on Truth Social.



3. Brown University announced Wednesday a deal with the administration to end three federal investigations into the institution’s compliance with discrimination laws, restore $500 million in federal funding and allow the university, based in Providence, R.I., to apply for new grants.
In exchange, Brown will pay $50 million to workplace development organizations in Rhode Island, separate men and women’s sports facilities on the basis of sex, and its health system will not prescribe puberty blockers or conduct gender reassignment surgeries on minors.
(Brown will use the real definitions of male and female.)



4. Along with that, Brown will ban programs that contain “unlawful efforts to achieve race-based outcomes,” have “merit-based admissions policies” and provide information and data to the government showing it is complying with the agreement.
(No more skin color admission policies!)

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5429699-trump-brown-university-deal/

5.Trump is re-directing academia toward its original mission!

This is why we came to America.

Will the lying libs at Brown keep their word?

Thats doubtful

 

[Anomalism]

Mixed Market Capitalism is also not a definition, of anything. It's a stupid word combination in the first place. Marxies love to rape the language like this. What you are describing is NOT socialism it is government regulation in certain areas for the benefit of all. That way folks can be the most independent from the State.


Yeah all for one and all for all.......Except the big pot of money in the general fund that NONE of the SS recipients will ever see. All the while crying 'poor mouth' because their Ponzi scheme of using one person to pay another, is not really working out. FDR started a leviathan-like revenue parasite.

There is no such thing as a 'Democrat Socialist' and if he called himself that, he's a liar.

One of the first things Marxists do is brain wash the youth, like making them be unsure of their own sex. Next they thwart the procreation cycle by bestowing blame on 'stay at home' women who value a husband, house and children. They are truly insane people these wannabe Marxies.

If they allow our borders to be over ridden, they are committing straight up treason.



Disagreement is one thing, cheering for trampled borders, and attacking law enforcement is criminal. Subverting the rule of law to make up false charges on a Candidate, try to put him in jail etc. Of course, Biden and his cronies won't spend a minute where they should be, in jail thinking about all the harm they have caused Americans.

'Deplorables' was coined by Hillary Clinton and avowed Marxists are funneling money into the far left radical element. George Soros for one. The demonstrations are all paid participants. There is no grass roots there at all.

You seem to have dug into a worldview where labels flatten nuance. I’m not here to defend Democrats. I’ve criticized them too, and I agree that both parties use loaded language and narrative control to manipulate people.

1. Mixed-market capitalism

You said it’s not a real thing, but that’s literally the system we live in, regulated capitalism. Highways, the military, police, public education, and FDIC insurance all come from public funds. Are those socialist? I don't think so. They’re not pure capitalism either though. The world isn’t binary, and mixed economies are just practical responses to complexity. That’s not raping the language, it’s describing reality.

2. Social Security

I don’t disagree that it has flaws. The payout model is outdated and unsustainable long-term, but is that a reason to equate it with Marxist tyranny? Or can we criticize a system without jumping to revolution rhetoric?

3. Democratic Socialism doesn’t exist

If someone says “I want capitalism with a stronger safety net" and you insist that either they’re lying or they’re full on communists, then you’re refusing to engage with what people actually believe. It’s like someone calling libertarians anarchists because they want less government. Same bad faith position.

4. Gender, family, and culture

Marx didn’t invent cultural criticism. The 1950s weren’t handed down by God. They were shaped by economic necessity, war, religion, and media. Yes, many activists go too far, but painting them all as brainwashed Marxists makes your worldview sound more like a purity test than a serious philosophy. Reality is messier than that.

5. Federalism vs. Treason

You want strong borders. Totally fair. But local governments choosing not to enforce federal immigration policy doesn’t meet the legal definition of treason. That’s not an opinion; it’s constitutional law. If we keep redefining treason every time someone pisses us off, then the word loses its meaning.

6. Paid protests and Soros

Every side has dark money and astroturfing. Pretending one side invented it is just selective outrage.

You clearly care about the country. I do too, but once you start believing half the country is brainwashed or evil, you stop seeing people and start seeing enemies. That’s not realistic or useful.

Maybe instead of deciding which team is destroying America, we should start asking why both sides seem to thrive on the division, and why we keep falling for it.

 

[Redfish]

How many progressives do you honestly know? I know plenty and they don't fit your description.

the ones I know fit it perfectly.