And now a message from Ed Asner...

[rightwinger]

So when does he start actually fixing things?

Stopping a Depression was a good start

When/how did he do that?

Feb 2009

Were you in a coma?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stopping a Depression was a good start

When/how did he do that?

Feb 2009

Were you in a coma?

I wasn't in a coma.
What did he do that stopped a Depression in the first month he was in office?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How does one prove you stopped something that never happened, especially lacking any proof it was going to happen?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

When/how did he do that?

Feb 2009

Were you in a coma?

I wasn't in a coma.
What did he do that stopped a Depression in the first month he was in office?

It apparently involved funneling $750,000,000,000 to the unions...

 

[Carla_Danger]

Ed forgot to mention what a great job the Job Creators are doing

Obama has been President for 4 years, he's the smartest man on Earth, why hasn't he fixed everything?

It's going to take more time to clean up your mess.

 

[Carla_Danger]

California should raise taxes on high earners. I'm sure that will fix the state.

I don't see how the extra revenue could hurt.

It'll raise extra revenue?
Are you sure?

It seems as if you believe in some sort of revenue fairy. It reminds me of the war fairy, that was supposed to pay for our wars...yet never did.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I think higher taxes for top earners will do. I also believe in voting them out, over shooting them dead. Imagine that!

Of course you do, you're at war to end the middle class, like all of the left are.

30 years of tax cuts hurt who? Was it the Middle Class or the top income earners? I think it's obvious who was hurt by the tax cuts. The tax cuts that never created jobs....well, not in this country anyway.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yet it was Reagan who set the middle class on a path to destruction

Which explains the vast expansion of the middle class in the Reagan years...

 

[rightwinger]

Yet it was Reagan who set the middle class on a path to destruction

Which explains the vast expansion of the middle class in the Reagan years...

Sure.....while he was borrowing money

 

[Uncensored2008]

When/how did he do that?

He stopped a depression as he walked across Lake Superior whilst fighting a dragon...

 

[g5000]

Before you watch this, just remember that no one was held accountable for the collapse. No one!

If thieves are running rampant in your town and they own the police, please explain how making the guy across town who lives in a bigger house than you pay more taxes solves that problem.

Ed Asner is a commie disphit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Feb 2009

Were you in a coma?

And a leper touched the hem of his robe, and was healed...

ROFL

Yer a hoot.

 

[g5000]

Before you watch this, just remember that no one was held accountable for the collapse. No one!


Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale, is narrated by Ed Asner, with animation by Mike Konopacki. Written and directed by Fred Glass for the California Federation of Teachers. An 8 minute video about how we arrived at this moment of poorly funded public services and widening economic inequality. Things go downhill in a happy and prosperous land after the rich decide they don't want to pay taxes anymore. They tell the people that there is no alternative, but the people aren't so sure. This land bears a startling resemblance to our land. For more info,© 2012 California Federation of Teachers

Of course, the idea of "poorly funded public services" is pure crap. Note the video is the product of the California Federation of Teachers....

Let's look at how poorly funded the education system is by comparing, say, 1975 (the year I graduated from high school) and 2009. In 1975, the total enrollment in public schools (elementary and secondary) was about 49.8 million; in 2009, about 55.3 million. However, in 1975 there were only about 2.8 million teachers; in 2009 over 5 million. And in constant 2009 dollars, total 1975 expenditures were $250 billion; in 2009, $500 billion (remember, constant dollars). Source: US Department of Education http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2011/2011015.pdf

So the number of teachers and constant dollars spent both doubled, while the number of students rose by only 10%. We may not be getting the same results from education that we did in the 70's, but it's not for lack of funds.

Population of California in 1970: 19,953,134

Population of California in 2009: 38,292,687

California Population - The Population of California


Population of US in 1975: 215,973,199

Population of US in in 2012: 313,914,040


Teachers in 1975 used chalkboards and chalk, pencils and paper. Today they have computers, electronic whiteboards, and so forth.

ETA: I would also be curious to know what the figures for the 1950s and 60s were. 1975 could have been a downward aberration. The 70s were a pretty shitty period.

 

[Uncensored2008]

30 years of tax cuts hurt who?

No one.

Tell me, does all wealth rightfully belong to our rulers? Is that which is earned by those to create and sell products "stolen" from our government overlords?

Is there a big pile of money that sits in a vault that would be given to you SEIU parasites if the evil rich, like Ed Asner and George Soros would just stop stealing it?

Was it the Middle Class or the top income earners?

Who benefits when a burglar doesn't rob your house? Is it you, or your parents?

All benefit from keeping more of what they rightfully earn.

I think it's obvious who was hurt by the tax cuts. The tax cuts that never created jobs....well, not in this country anyway.

Really?

You're what, in your second year of high school, right? I don't suppose they expose you kids to economics, do they?

Sparky, what was the unemployment rate as the hated BOOOOOOSSSHH started his second term? What is it now, with your Messiah®?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sure.....while he was borrowing money

ROFL

You ******* communists are a laugh riot.

Obama borrowed more in his first four years than all the presidents, Washington through Clinton, combined.

$6 Trillion by your little tin god - but you say "Reagan borrowed."

Yeah, I know you have no integrity, but don't you at least have enough sense to be embarrassed by such idiocy?

 

[BillyV]

Before you watch this, just remember that no one was held accountable for the collapse. No one!


Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale, is narrated by Ed Asner, with animation by Mike Konopacki. Written and directed by Fred Glass for the California Federation of Teachers. An 8 minute video about how we arrived at this moment of poorly funded public services and widening economic inequality. Things go downhill in a happy and prosperous land after the rich decide they don't want to pay taxes anymore. They tell the people that there is no alternative, but the people aren't so sure. This land bears a startling resemblance to our land. For more info,© 2012 California Federation of Teachers

Of course, the idea of "poorly funded public services" is pure crap. Note the video is the product of the California Federation of Teachers....

Let's look at how poorly funded the education system is by comparing, say, 1975 (the year I graduated from high school) and 2009. In 1975, the total enrollment in public schools (elementary and secondary) was about 49.8 million; in 2009, about 55.3 million. However, in 1975 there were only about 2.8 million teachers; in 2009 over 5 million. And in constant 2009 dollars, total 1975 expenditures were $250 billion; in 2009, $500 billion (remember, constant dollars). Source: US Department of Education http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2011/2011015.pdf

So the number of teachers and constant dollars spent both doubled, while the number of students rose by only 10%. We may not be getting the same results from education that we did in the 70's, but it's not for lack of funds.

Population of California in 1970: 19,953,134

Population of California in 2009: 38,292,687

California Population - The Population of California

Population of US in 1975: 215,973,199

Population of US in in 2012: 313,914,040

Teachers in 1975 used chalkboards and chalk, pencils and paper. Today they have computers, electronic whiteboards, and so forth.

ETA: I would also be curious to know what the figures for the 1950s and 60s were. 1975 could have been a downward aberration. The 70s were a pretty shitty period.

I'm sorry; how is the overall population of the state of California and the US relevant again? It's the number of students that is relevant, a number that has remained in a narrow range between 45 - 55 million for that entire period. Of course we now have more technology which increases the costs somewhat, but how does that explain the doubling of teachers?

This comparison was made simply to refute the idea that public services are being "poorly funded"; on the contrary, they are being richly funded, despite the reported diminishing returns in outcomes.

As for the figures for prior years, they are in the link provided. And I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment about the 70's.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ed forgot to mention what a great job the Job Creators are doing

Obama has been President for 4 years, he's the smartest man on Earth, why hasn't he fixed everything?

It's going to take more time to clean up your mess.

My mess? I wasn't the junior Senator from Illinois, he was.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't see how the extra revenue could hurt.

It'll raise extra revenue?
Are you sure?

It seems as if you believe in some sort of revenue fairy. It reminds me of the war fairy, that was supposed to pay for our wars...yet never did.

I believe taxpayers will only be fleeced so much, and then they'll move away.
So I agree, California should raise taxes on the high earners.
I'd like to laugh when the hike results in lower revenues to the state.

 

[Esmeralda]

Before you watch this, just remember that no one was held accountable for the collapse. No one!



Tax the Rich: An animated fairy tale - YouTube


Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale, is narrated by Ed Asner, with animation by Mike Konopacki. Written and directed by Fred Glass for the California Federation of Teachers. An 8 minute video about how we arrived at this moment of poorly funded public services and widening economic inequality. Things go downhill in a happy and prosperous land after the rich decide they don't want to pay taxes anymore. They tell the people that there is no alternative, but the people aren't so sure. This land bears a startling resemblance to our land. For more info, cft.org. © 2012 California Federation of Teachers

I think it is really funny that average income republicans, here on this forum and elsewhere, are so against the idea of taxing the highest 1% of monied people in the country. I doubt anyone here has that kind of money. Probably all the posters on this board are not in that category and are most likely somewhere in the range of middle class earner. It is those people who are being affected by the recession and the economic woes of the country. Why they defend the 1% at the top is mystifying.

One has only to look at countries around the world with a pyramid economy, with a very small percentage of rich at the top, and everyone else, middle class and lower class, at the bottom. I've visited and lived in such countries. Lots of poor people. Lack of social services. Crime. Bad roads and infrastructure. Bad schools. A big mess all around with the rich living behing big walls and fences with armed security. The wealth at the top does not tricke down to the rest of the country and make everyone richer. Their kids go to private schools, so school don't improve. They do most of their buying in foreign countries, such as Europe. An awful lot of their money goes to places like Europe--lol, ironically, those 'commie' countries where everyone pays such high taxes and gets social services.

Why poor republicans defend rich republicans who are shitting on them is truly mystifying.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Before you watch this, just remember that no one was held accountable for the collapse. No one!



Tax the Rich: An animated fairy tale - YouTube


Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale, is narrated by Ed Asner, with animation by Mike Konopacki. Written and directed by Fred Glass for the California Federation of Teachers. An 8 minute video about how we arrived at this moment of poorly funded public services and widening economic inequality. Things go downhill in a happy and prosperous land after the rich decide they don't want to pay taxes anymore. They tell the people that there is no alternative, but the people aren't so sure. This land bears a startling resemblance to our land. For more info, cft.org. © 2012 California Federation of Teachers

I think it is really funny that average income republicans, here on this forum and elsewhere, are so against the idea of taxing the highest 1% of monied people in the country. I doubt anyone here has that kind of money. Probably all the posters on this board are not in that category and are most likely somewhere in the range of middle class earner. It is those people who are being affected by the recession and the economic woes of the country. Why they defend the 1% at the top is mystifying.

One has only to look at countries around the world with a pyramid economy, with a very small percentage of rich at the top, and everyone else, middle class and lower class, at the bottom. I've visited and lived in such countries. Lots of poor people. Lack of social services. Crime. Bad roads and infrastructure. Bad schools. A big mess all around with the rich living behing big walls and fences with armed security. The wealth at the top does not tricke down to the rest of the country and make everyone richer. Their kids go to private schools, so school don't improve. They do most of their buying in foreign countries, such as Europe. An awful lot of their money goes to places like Europe--lol, ironically, those 'commie' countries where everyone pays such high taxes and gets social services.

Why poor republicans defend rich republicans who are shitting on them is truly mystifying.

I think it is really funny that average income republicans, here on this forum and elsewhere, are so against the idea of taxing the highest 1% of monied people in the country.

I'm against stealing from anyone, even if you don't like them.

The wealth at the top does not tricke down to the rest of the country and make everyone richer. Their kids go to private schools, so school don't improve.

You're right, the top 1% only paid 37.38 percent of all federal individual income taxes paid in 2010.

None of us benefit from that.