Ancient message in Genesis to the world

[FA_Q2]

Funny enough, Altered Carbon from Netflix seems to cover something similar to this as well as the idea that unlimited lifespans prevents children from coming into their own.

 

[Woodznutz]

Funny enough, Altered Carbon from Netflix seems to cover something similar to this as well as the idea that unlimited lifespans prevents children from coming into their own.

Not quite.
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Genesis 2:24

 

[FA_Q2]

Not quite.
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Genesis 2:24

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Yes quite because that was a comment on altered carbon and not the bible.

 

[Cougarbear]

Gen. 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”​

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In Genesis before the Great Flood, men lived to around a thousand years. In fact, the oldest living man in Genesis was Methuselah at 969.

But after the Great Flood men only lived no more than around 120 years. This, according to the text in Genesis.

So what is the message here? God felt the need to destroy mankind because of the great evil man had succumb to over the years. One of the solutions seems to have been to limit the life span of men.

You may not believe the story, but the message is in plain view, and hard to argue. For example, Hillter only lived about 50 years and look at the damage he did to the world.

This seems to have kept things in check in terms of helping to preserve the human race. However, we are warned again in Revelation that evil will again flourish like it did in the days of Noah, and God will again have to directly intervene to save mankind. My guess is that technology will enable evil men to reach beyond the grave to continue their legacy of evil.

So whether you believe the story or not, that is the message being given and one that is hard to argue with. Kings and despots are the man source of suffering and oppression and war and genocide in the world. Our only solace is, they will die very soon.

Evil doesn't need the evil ones who have died to exist. Satan is doing all he can before Jesus Comes and binds him for a thousand years. It is obvious that mankind did not live near as long after the Flood. I think that has to do with the fact the sun had a greater influence on our bodies after the flood. As we read, the waters from the heavens also came down. And, that wasn't just from the clouds. There was a wall of water in the heavens that shield the world from much of the suns lethal rays. But, after the flood, they no longer existed and people lived shorter because of the destruction of the skin and even internal organs from the suns most destructive rays.

 

[surada]

Evil doesn't need the evil ones who have died to exist. Satan is doing all he can before Jesus Comes and binds him for a thousand years. It is obvious that mankind did not live near as long after the Flood. I think that has to do with the fact the sun had a greater influence on our bodies after the flood. As we read, the waters from the heavens also came down. And, that wasn't just from the clouds. There was a wall of water in the heavens that shield the world from much of the suns lethal rays. But, after the flood, they no longer existed and people lived shorter because of the destruction of the skin and even internal organs from the suns most destructive rays.

Revelation was written to the seven churches of the first century. It's history not prophecy.

 

[Cougarbear]

Revelation was written to the seven churches of the first century. It's history not prophecy.

It's not history if it has not happened yet. It's a prophecy from John in the past for even our future.

 

[surada]

It's not history if it has not happened yet. It's a prophecy from John in the past for even our future.

It was written to the new Christians of the first century about what was happening. It's very hopeful message. Jesus won. The Christians fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the tribulation. The old order was gone.

 

[Cougarbear]

It was written to the new Christians of the first century about what was happening. It's very hopeful message. Jesus won. The Christians fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the tribulation. The old order was gone.

What are you talking about? It's a clear representation prophecy of the last days before Armageddon and the last battle of Gog and Magog after Satan is loosed after his thousand years of Perdition.

 

[surada]

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What are you talking about? It's a clear representation prophecy of the last days before Armageddon and the last battle of Gog and Magog after Satan is loosed after his thousand years of Perdition.

Gog and Magog already invaded. There's no battle of Armageddon.. that's all in the past. Foreign armies already surrounded Jerusalem. The tribulation was over when the temple was destroyed.

 

[Cougarbear]

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Gog and Magog already invaded. There's no battle of Armageddon.. that's all in the past. Foreign armies already surrounded Jerusalem. The tribulation was over when the temple was destroyed.

Did the Mount of Olives part then? No. Did Jesus come into the parted mount and show his wounds of his crucifixion to the Jews? No. Was Israel protected and their enemies destroyed? No. You have the wrong wars. Armageddon is coming and as a thief in the night will the Savior come when the people are not prepared and have lost their way. When Israel's enemies have them cornered up against the Mt. of Olives. If you don't think this was last day prophecy, you will not be ready.

 

[surada]

Did the Mount of Olives part then? No. Did Jesus come into the parted mount and show his wounds of his crucifixion to the Jews? No. Was Israel protected and their enemies destroyed? No. You have the wrong wars. Armageddon is coming and as a thief in the night will the Savior come when the people are not prepared and have lost their way. When Israel's enemies have them cornered up against the Mt. of Olives. If you don't think this was last day prophecy, you will not be ready.

Yes they did. This is all new ... Didn't exist until the 1830s. Then at first in the fringe sects and holy rollers. Later promoted by Cyrus Scofield ( Christian Zionism) and then Hal Lindsey.

 

[Clyde 154]

The reasoned truth about Genesis 6 and the "Nephilim".........as referenced from the same Holy Spirit inspired writers throughout the scriptures.

There are "3" groups mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4. 1. The Nephilim/Giants 2. sons of God 3. daughters of men

Some might claim that Nepilim were angels fallen from grace having sexual relations with humans. But the scriptures enlighten/inform us that Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14). They (Angels), as spirit beings don't have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39).....thus they are not capable of having any type of sexual relationship with a human. Angels do not marry (Luke 20:34-36)........since they are eternal beings there is no need to engage in sex (sex is required for the procreation of humanity not angels -- Gen. 6:26-28)

The text in Genesis 6 clearly states the Nephilim were around before and after the sons of God had sex with the daughters of men. So any supposed copulation between angels and humans could not produce an offspring that pre-existed the copulation. (Gen.6:4)

The word Nephilim simply means "giant". The word can refer to someone large in stature. Example from scripture (Numbers 13:32-33)

Example: Anak must have been a large man because his descendents were also large (Deut. 1:28). The Emim were also similiar in size (Deut. 2:10-11). Notice........the Nephilim existed before the flood, ".......there were gaints in those days.." (Gen. 6:4)

The word "Nephilim" can also refer to someone who is a renown leader. The text in Gen. 6:4 describes the Nephilim as "MEN"........men of renown. Last sentence in the verse, "THESE WERE THE MIGHTY MEN WHO WERE OF OLD, THE MEN OF RENOWN." (which simply means well known, and/or famous).

As usual........the scriptures self interpret when they are read in context.

Who were those engaging in marriage and sexual relationships that God did not approve? The sons of God, which refers to those who remain loyal to the God of creation, men that worship and serve God in a righteous manner (Hos. 1:10, Deut. 14:1). The term can also mean angel (Job 1:6) but angels can't apply to this passage becasue angels are spirit beings not capable of sexual relationships with anyone, as they have no flesh or bones, they are spirit beings.

The sons of God were engaing in marriage/sex with the daughters of men. Who were the daughters of men? The opposite of the sons of God....the opposite would the wicked. Women who were born into a wordly family.......that did not accept the faith.

The entire passage is presenting a truth. A truth as to why and how the world became a wicked place (corrupted) and would be destroyed by God with a great flood within a 120 span. (Genesis 6:3) The 120 year time frame has nothing to do with how long a man shall live.....but how long God will have longersuffering/patience with mankind before He brings judgment upon it.

The very first sentences in Genesis 6 describle how mankind had multipilied on earth and the vast majority were wicked because the sons of God had married the daughters of men (the wickedly unrighteous).


Genesis 6 is a history of HOW MANKIND BECAME CORRUPTED by the worldly flesh.......not how mankind became corrupted by spirit beings tha produced physical giants.......because the Nephilim clearly existed Before and After these marriages were taking place.

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes they did. This is all new ... Didn't exist until the 1830s. Then at first in the fringe sects and holy rollers. Later promoted by Cyrus Scofield ( Christian Zionism) and then Hal Lindsey.

What are you talking about? You are sounding like you are picking daisies out in left field. Yes they did what? Are you saying the Mt. of Olives parted when Jesus was on the earth 2,000 years ago? No it did not.
The Mt. parting is in Zechariah chapters 12-14. Jesus standing in the parted Mt. is in those chapters. The armies from the north will be stopped by the Lord and this all happens in these latter days. In the near future.
What didn't exist in the 1830's? The OT and NT both existed. The understanding of Revelation also existed as Joseph Smith writes about it in the D&C and other places. Get a grip. This is nothing new. The people of Paul's days were hoping it would happen in their days. It didn't. And, there has been a great apostasy from the transliteration of John the Revelator to 1820. But, I can see many are still in apostasy and deniel.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Gen. 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”​

​

In Genesis before the Great Flood, men lived to around a thousand years. In fact, the oldest living man in Genesis was Methuselah at 969.

But after the Great Flood men only lived no more than around 120 years. This, according to the text in Genesis.

So what is the message here? God felt the need to destroy mankind because of the great evil man had succumb to over the years. One of the solutions seems to have been to limit the life span of men.

You may not believe the story, but the message is in plain view, and hard to argue. For example, Hillter only lived about 50 years and look at the damage he did to the world.

This seems to have kept things in check in terms of helping to preserve the human race. However, we are warned again in Revelation that evil will again flourish like it did in the days of Noah, and God will again have to directly intervene to save mankind. My guess is that technology will enable evil men to reach beyond the grave to continue their legacy of evil.

So whether you believe the story or not, that is the message being given and one that is hard to argue with. Kings and despots are the man source of suffering and oppression and war and genocide in the world. Our only solace is, they will die very soon.

A Race at the Bottom

Humans didn't die in the Flood. Neanderthals did

 

[Cougarbear]

A Race at the Bottom

Humans didn't die in the Flood. Neanderthals did

The population from Adam to Noah grew exponentially. With people living into the hundreds of years, there were easily a billion or more people. Maybe the wars eliminated many, but there were lots of humans. And, some of those were Neanderthals or simply humans with genetical changes in them. Just like Aborigines and Pigmies.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What is the message? That you're a gullible fool, Jack. There's absolutely zero proof that anyone lived a thousand years.

Primitive Transmission

The Old Testament is a confused and contradictory Telephone Game text. It is full of parables intended by the Hebrew leaders to give moral messages and in no way should be taken literally. The Flood was a local event caused by the melting of the glaciers. That's how far back these stories went.

Yah-weh is similar to the way the Romans pronounced Jove. It represents a prehistoric Mongol bloodbath, not a god, that separated the Hebrews from the other Aryans, as all the tribes were scattered (The Odyssey also re-enacts that diaspora, which brought into Europe all its White people).

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I look only at the evidence, of which there is none.

A Miracle Is a Mirage

There is evidence of other things that got misrepresented in the text. For example, this thousand-year lifespan may represent the many thousands of years back to where these time-distorted stories originated.

Jewish slaves were never in Egypt. Exodus represents their wanderings through the Arabian desert after they freed themselves from those bandits. Their previous captivity is how they came to speak a Semitic language and completely lost their original one.

Common sense also helps in the interpretation of these mangled stories. Jews are so completely different from Arabs that they cannot possibly be Semites.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It was written to the new Christians of the first century about what was happening. It's very hopeful message. Jesus won. The Christians fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the tribulation. The old order was gone.

Communism Followed the History of Christianity Phase by Phase

It's just lies to keep the Christians believing that they'd become godlike within their own lifetime. The Communists used the same tactic to make their subjects believe it would soon change their country into a secular paradise within a few years. Then a few more years and on and on with the promises until it all fell apart.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The reasoned truth about Genesis 6 and the "Nephilim".........as referenced from the same Holy Spirit inspired writers throughout the scriptures.

There are "3" groups mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4. 1. The Nephilim/Giants 2. sons of God 3. daughters of men

Some might claim that Nepilim were angels fallen from grace having sexual relations with humans. But the scriptures enlighten/inform us that Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14). They (Angels), as spirit beings don't have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39).....thus they are not capable of having any type of sexual relationship with a human. Angels do not marry (Luke 20:34-36)........since they are eternal beings there is no need to engage in sex (sex is required for the procreation of humanity not angels -- Gen. 6:26-28)

The text in Genesis 6 clearly states the Nephilim were around before and after the sons of God had sex with the daughters of men.

The word Nephilim simply means "giant". The word can refer to someone large in stature. Example from scripture (Numbers 13:32-33)

Example: Anak must have been a large man because his descendents were also large (Deut. 1:28). The Emim were also similiar in size (Deut. 2:10-11). Notice........the Nephilim existed before the flood, ".......there were gaints in those days.." (Gen. 6:4)


The sons of God were engaing in marriage/sex with the daughters of men. Who were the daughters of men? The opposite of the sons of God....the opposite would the wicked. Women who were born into a wordly family.......that did not accept the faith.

Echoes of a Prehistoric Horror

The Nephelim were the Neanderthal, great mindless hulks, man-killing humanoids that WOKE academics try to push as noble savages.

 

[Clyde 154]

Echoes of a Prehistoric Horror

The Nephelim were the Neanderthal, great mindless hulks, man-killing humanoids that WOKE academics try to push as noble savages.

Yeah......a personal opinion is always better and supercedes the the actual word of God. Prove that the giants in question were not "men of renoun and existed both before and AFTER the judgement of God to destroy the earth.

What? Can't read simple English? "The Nephilim (i.e., giants) were on the earth in those days (what days? the days before the mating/marriage between the sons of God and the daughters of men), and AFTER when the sons of God came into the daughters of men........THOSE WERE THE MIGHTY MEN WHO WERE OF OLD........MEN OF RENOWN." -- Genesis 6:4 Read this passage in context and subject matter. The subject matters........the corruption of all men, the Nephilim, the context describes these men of old that were "renown" men. And points out that they existed both before and after the supposed mating of spirit beings with humans. (which is not described in the least when the subject matters are not taken away from contextual integirty of the entire passages in question.

They were Men, not angels and they were of old (the number of years from Adam to Noah is explained in detail.......and no where was there a mention of any missinig link ape men recorded in scripture.........between Adam and Noah the years totalled 1056 years are dated in scripture from the time of Adam's creation and Noah). The bible records 10 generations from Adam to Noah.

Renown is used some "30" times in scriptures and always used to describe important or powerful people, not sub-human creatures or angel spirit beings. The Christian molds their lives around the Word of God..........the word of God is not to be molded around a personal preconceived Idea of man. I'd wager that the word of God MAY HAVE (your very words, real scientific....may have...." preexisted man's ideas concerning APE MEN by at least 3300 years.

I am sure the sons of God....the men from the days of Noah.........thought Neanderthal women were real beauties.


Again......can't read a simple American English Translation (NASB)? Directly from the scriptures, "....the SONS OF GOD saw that the daughters of MEN (not Neandertahl) WERE BEATUTIFUL............" Genesis 6:2 verse 2 proves the scriptures were speaking of and addressing MEN, not angels, not Neanderthal men or women....but considered the Nephilim..........MEN......men of renown.