And that's real dangerous. The president of the United States has set an unattainable bar. I'm shocked by his proposal. Even if he only meant it as a starting point to talk it was totally off base. He had to realize the implications of it.
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Benny agreed with Obama so I'm not sure what your point is....
Agreed with what? That they should go back to the pre war borders?
This is the sort of thing that would make Lenin feel vindicated. Can you people do me a favor? Go back to youtube, watch the speech again, but this time watch it and listen to what Obama is
actually saying. Not what you've been
told he's saying. I really can't understand what the pro-Israel crowd is upset about. He restated ALL of your official demands to the Palestinians and then pledged to unwaveringly support Israel in whatever it does. Can anybody here PLEASE tell me exactly what more you could possibly want?
The stickler seems to be this phrase: "1967 lines
with mutually agreed swaps"
Why is this suddenly so
outrageous? Netanyahu somehow has everyone believing that Obama is demanding that Israel return to the exact 67 Borders when this is absolutely not the case. "Mutually agreed swaps"
means changing the border to reflect what they call "facts on the ground" (a euphemism for "massive and continuing government-sponsored transfer of Israelis into the land that is SUPPOSEDLY being negotiated [the West Bank]"). This has been the basis of the entire peace process for the past 20 years, two states
based on the 1967 borders (ie, not ON the 1967 border). It was the basis for Oslo, the basis for the "Roadmap," the basis for the proposals at Camp David and then the subsequent ones at Taba. And either which way, they were just pretty words, he planned no meetings and laid absolutely no infrastructure to handle a follow-up or support actual peace talks. It's all hot air and nothing more. Israel can keep building its settlements, relax.
So what exactly did Defenders of Israel want him to say about the conflict? He covered Iran, killed the upcoming international recognition of Palestine at the UN, and pounced on Palestinian Unity. He demanded that Palestinians not only recognize Israel , but recognize it as a Jewish State (whatever that means), renounce violence, submit to a de-militarized state, and pretty much do whatever else Israel feels like (whatever it takes to "ensure Israel's security" [but not Palestine's] - other than it's nuclear weapons-equipped ass-kicking super army that's already pounded multiple combined Arab armies from supposedly indefensible borders).
Here's what I'm sure this crowd would love to hear from Obama, aside from all of the above:
Epsilon D. Obama said:
Furthermore [pause], we support a solution based on the borders that Israel chooses [applause], at their leisure, [pause] within the next decade or two [applause], hopefully, but no pressure. We encourage Palestinians to continue negotiations [boo's], so long as they accept Israel's right to the West Bank and Gaza [applause]. However, [pause] because they must also accept Israel as a Jewish State [pause] and because Israel is allowed to keep as much of the West Bank as it wants (potentially all of it), then it's probably better for you guys to get the **** out before shit gets rough [applause]. To that end, we've committed to the Palestinians a homeland within the United States around northern Arizona, northern New Mexico, and South Dakota, shared with the Native American tribes that inhabit those barren spaces... or you could just stay in Greater Israel and end up pretty much the same way.
Google it! Lol!
It's always "the Jews hasn't it? "Those damn Jews"...Muslims are killing other muslims by the thousands but all we hear from People like you are .."It's the Jews fault" Yeah it was the liberal socialist 60s radical that called you "baby killer" not only Jews, and the right wing Christians are the biggest supporters of our military so maybe you should focus on the leftists in general, the fact that you single out Jews is telling
