Americans who fought in Fallujah watch Al Qaeda make Comeback

[GHook93]

Who didn't see this coming?? ....

I applaud this and hope there is more of it. The Sunni terrorist organization of Al Qaeda against the Shia government of Iraq! I pray to Allah that it breaks down into a FULL civil war and I hope and pray it takes millions of Muslim lives over their! I pray Pakistan, Oman, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan and all the other Muslim shithole countries break down into civil war.

 

[Edgetho]

It produced and sold it before the American led sanctions.
Please explain how removing sanctioned helped when you put them there in the first place.

The sanctions were necessary while Saddam was still in power in Iraq. In case you did not know, Saddam illegally invaded and annexed the entire country of Kuwait. That's the first time another country was invaded and annexed since Adolf Hitler did it in World War II.

So, by removing Saddam from power, the United States and the international community no longer had to engage in a containment policy of Saddam which required the sanctions and other means in order to try and contain him.

Iraq is now free of Saddam and international sanctions thanks to US actions of the past ten years.

With thousands of dead Americans, who knows how many dead Iraqi civilians and an unstable country where extremist groups flourish.

Yep, that was a good move.

It WAS a good move until the cocksucker-in-chief decided that America was too mean and the Muslim Brotherhood (parent organization of al Qaeda) was just too fucking cool.

The original hope of the Bush Administration was to establish and showcase TRUE democracy, a TRUE Representative Republic, in Iraq.

It would have been breath-taking. It would have been incredible.

A first-ever democratic Republic in the Muslim MidEast. Something that every other Country in the area could point to and want to emulate.

But nope, the cocksucker-in-chief played his fucking PeePee games and allowed the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq to be set aside. And please don't bore me with your quibbling bullshit. He queered it and he did it on purpose.... The whole fucking world knows it.

And when the cocksucker-in-chief invited, and reserved Front Row Seats for, the Muslim Brotherhood in his Cairo Speech, the hand-writing was on the wall.

Had we been able to stabilize Iraq and showcase to all the Muslim World as the 'way it should be' then the losses we suffered would have been worth it.

But no, the cocksucker-in-chief fucked it up..... On purpose. Just like his cocksucker voteers wanted him to. They were afraid it might cost some money and they couldn't get their fucking Food Stamps or something.

And when the ME blows up and we lose a Million men in the War to come......

Guess who will pay the price?

You. You will.

The Anti-Surge

...........Unfortunately, the Obama administration signaled a very different approach to Iraq when it took office in January 2009. It immediately pushed for a faster drawdown of U.S. forces than our commanders recommended. It appointed an ambassador to Iraq, Christopher Hill, who had no experience working on Iraq or serving anywhere in the Arab world. It adopted a hands-off approach to shaping Iraqi politics, which was demonstrated most vividly as it refused for months and months to take a hands-on approach with Iraqi leaders and help them broker the necessary compromises about their country's future in the aftermath of the 2010 elections.

Nowhere was the Obama administration's failure more pronounced than during the debate over whether to maintain a limited number of U.S. troops in Iraq beyond the 2011 expiration of the 2008 Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) -- a debate in which we were actively involved. Here, too, the administration is quick to lay blame on others for the fact that they tried, and failed, to keep a limited presence of troops in Iraq. They have blamed the Bush administration, of course, for mandating the withdrawal in the 2008 SOFA. This does not ring true, however, because as former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has made clear, the plan all along was to renegotiate the agreement to allow for a continued presence of U.S. forces in Iraq. "Everybody believed," she said in 2011, "it would be better if there was some kind of residual force."

dimocraps are dishonest scum...... ALL of them

 

[Mojo2]

Who didn't see this coming?? ....

You're saying it was inevitable, no matter what.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If "The original hope of the Bush Administration was to establish and showcase TRUE democracy, a TRUE Representative Republic, in Iraq" was to turn it into East Arkansas (which I don't believe for a second), that hope was doomed to failure when Rumsfeld fired Shenseki for telling the neo-cons how much it was going to cost and how many hundreds of thosuands of boots on the ground were require to turn victory into a stable peace.

 

[tinydancer]

Pity/ But did anyone think a Dems crew run by Spielberg let it end well

 

[Mojo2]

"Mission Accomplished"

While Iraq and Libya have seen regime change, we're still waiting on Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia, and Iran.

"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years..."

Wesley Clark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe on Hillary's watch?

The military ALWAYS has contingency plans for attacking our enemies.

*Yawn*

Here's what you should focus on.

Saddam intentionally led the world to believe he still had WMD's even though he didn't.

With that scenario it would have been foolhardy for any freedom loving Government to do nothing when it had the ability to prevent Israel OR SAUDI ARABIA from going up in a mushroom cloud.

This is a transcript or excerpts (it looks like it MIGHT have been edited recently...not sure) of Saddam's FBI interrogator who was interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes.

And in June 2000 you gave a speech in where you said Iraq would not disarm until others in the region did. A rifle for a rifle, a stick for a stick, a stone for a stone,'" Piro recalls.

That June 2000 speech was about weapons of mass destruction. In talking casually about that speech, Saddam began to tell the story of his weapons. It was a breakthrough that had taken five months.

"Oh, you couldn't imagine the excitement that I was feeling at that point," Piro remembers.

"And what did he tell you about how his weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed?" Pelley asks.

"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.

"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.

"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.

Before his wars with America, Saddam had fought a ruinous eight year war with Iran and it was Iran he still feared the most.

"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.

"Absolutely," Piro says.

"As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction.' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" Pelley asks.

"He didn't. But he told me he initially miscalculated President Bush. And President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 under Operation Desert Fox. Which was a four-day aerial attack. So you expected that initially," Piro says.

Piro says Saddam expected some kind of an air campaign and that he could he survive that. "He survived that once. And then he was willing to accept that type of attack. That type of damage," he says.

"Saddam didn't believe that the United States would invade," Pelley remarks.

"Not initially, no," Piro says.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - Page 4 - CBS News

 

[JakeStarkey]

Pity/ But did anyone think a Dems crew run by Spielberg let it end well

The second the admin rejected Shinseki's recommendations no way that it could end well existed.

 

[georgephillip]

Who didn't see this coming?? ....

I applaud this and hope there is more of it. The Sunni terrorist organization of Al Qaeda against the Shia government of Iraq! I pray to Allah that it breaks down into a FULL civil war and I hope and pray it takes millions of Muslim lives over their! I pray Pakistan, Oman, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan and all the other Muslim shithole countries break down into civil war.

Do you drive?
How much will you pay for your gas addiction if most of the Muslim oil-producing states descend into civil war?

 

[georgephillip]

Sorry, but its far more basic than that. We live in an industrial society which requires ENERGY for just about everything we do unless you live like the Amish in Pennsylvania. Oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear provide over 95% of that energy. The transportation sector relies on oil for over 90% of its energy needs. Energy demand is constantly increasing year after year as the global economy increases. That increases the demand for oil every year. Without sufficient supply of oil to meet that demand, the price of oil starts to sharply rise, and that impacts the whole economy, from the price of gas you put in your car, the price of food you put in your mouth, and whether the business you work at remains open or has to close its doors leaving you with no job, no income, in a world of rising prices! So the price of oil matters and is most heavily impacted by the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. Anything that endangers that, is a threat to the American way of life all the way down to our jobs, gas we put in the car, and the food we put in our mouth. So it matters big time, which is why it has been US policy to protect the energy supply from the Persian Gulf for over 70 years now!

So how does the cost of oil today compare with December of 1990?
Crude Oil (petroleum); Dated Brent - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
BTW, the US hasn't been protecting the energy supply for the last 70 years.
It has been manipulating the energy supply to reward puppets and punish trolls.
FDR spelled it all out in 1944 when the US was the world's leading oil exporter.
The oil reserves of the Middle East were described shortly thereafter as the greatest material prize in history, and millions of Muslims have paid with their lives, homes, and futures in order for a few corrupt, western oligarcs and their political handmaidens and psychopathic generals to pillage the oil wealth of Muslims and funnel it to parasites in the US and Europe.

 

[U2Edge]

If "The original hope of the Bush Administration was to establish and showcase TRUE democracy, a TRUE Representative Republic, in Iraq" was to turn it into East Arkansas (which I don't believe for a second), that hope was doomed to failure when Rumsfeld fired Shenseki for telling the neo-cons how much it was going to cost and how many hundreds of thosuands of boots on the ground were require to turn victory into a stable peace.

The goal is protecting US national security interest in the Persian Gulf. That was accomplished by removing SADDAM and replacing it with a government that was not a threat or hostile towards the region and could bring some level of stability to Iraq without US troops on the ground. Guess what, the United States accomplished all of that. The current Maliki government meets all those conditions!

 

[U2Edge]

Sorry, but its far more basic than that. We live in an industrial society which requires ENERGY for just about everything we do unless you live like the Amish in Pennsylvania. Oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear provide over 95% of that energy. The transportation sector relies on oil for over 90% of its energy needs. Energy demand is constantly increasing year after year as the global economy increases. That increases the demand for oil every year. Without sufficient supply of oil to meet that demand, the price of oil starts to sharply rise, and that impacts the whole economy, from the price of gas you put in your car, the price of food you put in your mouth, and whether the business you work at remains open or has to close its doors leaving you with no job, no income, in a world of rising prices! So the price of oil matters and is most heavily impacted by the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. Anything that endangers that, is a threat to the American way of life all the way down to our jobs, gas we put in the car, and the food we put in our mouth. So it matters big time, which is why it has been US policy to protect the energy supply from the Persian Gulf for over 70 years now!

So how does the cost of oil today compare with December of 1990?
Crude Oil (petroleum); Dated Brent - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
BTW, the US hasn't been protecting the energy supply for the last 70 years.
It has been manipulating the energy supply to reward puppets and punish trolls.
FDR spelled it all out in 1944 when the US was the world's leading oil exporter.
The oil reserves of the Middle East were described shortly thereafter as the greatest material prize in history, and millions of Muslims have paid with their lives, homes, and futures in order for a few corrupt, western oligarcs and their political handmaidens and psychopathic generals to pillage the oil wealth of Muslims and funnel it to parasites in the US and Europe.

That chart only shows just how much more vital it is to protect the oil and natural gas of the middle east. There was risk before in 1950, 1970, and 1990, but today the risk is even greater because SUPPLY is struggling to keep up with demand. So the impact of military action to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil TODAY would be far worse than it was in 1990.


The world today is more dependent on petroleum than It was in 1990:

Daily world crude oil consumption in 1990 was 63,875,130 barrels a day.

Daily world crude oil consumption in 2011 was 87,356,290 barrels a day.

That's an increase of consumption in 21 years of nearly 50%! At that rate, by 2030, global consumption of crude oil will have doubled from 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

As the world consumes more oil, and supplies struggles to keep up with this extra demand, price naturally increases. This makes the need to defend the Persian Gulf to protect the supplies even more important than it ever has been in history.

As demand increases, and what supplies is available struggles to keep up, a sudden shock to the system such as Kuwait or Saudi Arabia being overrun would prove even more disasterous than it would have been in the past! Imagine paying 50 dollars for a gallon of gas!

World Crude Oil Consumption by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day)

 

[JakeStarkey]

If "The original hope of the Bush Administration was to establish and showcase TRUE democracy, a TRUE Representative Republic, in Iraq" was to turn it into East Arkansas (which I don't believe for a second), that hope was doomed to failure when Rumsfeld fired Shenseki for telling the neo-cons how much it was going to cost and how many hundreds of thosuands of boots on the ground were require to turn victory into a stable peace.

The goal is protecting US national security interest in the Persian Gulf. That was accomplished by removing SADDAM and replacing it with a government that was not a threat or hostile towards the region and could bring some level of stability to Iraq without US troops on the ground. Guess what, the United States accomplished all of that. The current Maliki government meets all those conditions!

No, it did not. We are worried about Iraq growing closer to Iran, Iran's involvement in Syria and Lebanon, Iran's nuclear program, and the rest of the apple cart the neo-cons' overturned without a strategy to make the ME a stable place.

We are in more danger today than we were almost eleven years ago this coming March.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Horse crap to "This makes the need to defend the Persian Gulf to protect the supplies even more important than it ever has been in history." We have been ramping up production here since 2008, investing in other alternative energy sources, and working more closely with Mexico and Canada's energy programs.

We do not to be a "hot" interest in the PG.

 

[georgephillip]

Sorry, but its far more basic than that. We live in an industrial society which requires ENERGY for just about everything we do unless you live like the Amish in Pennsylvania. Oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear provide over 95% of that energy. The transportation sector relies on oil for over 90% of its energy needs. Energy demand is constantly increasing year after year as the global economy increases. That increases the demand for oil every year. Without sufficient supply of oil to meet that demand, the price of oil starts to sharply rise, and that impacts the whole economy, from the price of gas you put in your car, the price of food you put in your mouth, and whether the business you work at remains open or has to close its doors leaving you with no job, no income, in a world of rising prices! So the price of oil matters and is most heavily impacted by the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. Anything that endangers that, is a threat to the American way of life all the way down to our jobs, gas we put in the car, and the food we put in our mouth. So it matters big time, which is why it has been US policy to protect the energy supply from the Persian Gulf for over 70 years now!

So how does the cost of oil today compare with December of 1990?
Crude Oil (petroleum); Dated Brent - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
BTW, the US hasn't been protecting the energy supply for the last 70 years.
It has been manipulating the energy supply to reward puppets and punish trolls.
FDR spelled it all out in 1944 when the US was the world's leading oil exporter.
The oil reserves of the Middle East were described shortly thereafter as the greatest material prize in history, and millions of Muslims have paid with their lives, homes, and futures in order for a few corrupt, western oligarcs and their political handmaidens and psychopathic generals to pillage the oil wealth of Muslims and funnel it to parasites in the US and Europe.

That chart only shows just how much more vital it is to protect the oil and natural gas of the middle east. There was risk before in 1950, 1970, and 1990, but today the risk is even greater because SUPPLY is struggling to keep up with demand. So the impact of military action to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil TODAY would be far worse than it was in 1990.


The world today is more dependent on petroleum than It was in 1990:

Daily world crude oil consumption in 1990 was 63,875,130 barrels a day.

Daily world crude oil consumption in 2011 was 87,356,290 barrels a day.

That's an increase of consumption in 21 years of nearly 50%! At that rate, by 2030, global consumption of crude oil will have doubled from 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

As the world consumes more oil, and supplies struggles to keep up with this extra demand, price naturally increases. This makes the need to defend the Persian Gulf to protect the supplies even more important than it ever has been in history.

As demand increases, and what supplies is available struggles to keep up, a sudden shock to the system such as Kuwait or Saudi Arabia being overrun would prove even more disasterous than it would have been in the past! Imagine paying 50 dollars for a gallon of gas!

World Crude Oil Consumption by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day)

Since the US has the only military that has sought to seize or sabotage Persian gulf oil in the last quarter century, maybe that explains why the cost of Persian gulf oil has increased from $35 a barrel in December of 1990 to over $100 a barrel in December of 2012.

By what stretch of the imagination is that a defense of Persian gulf oil for anyone except Wall Street speculators and their corporate politicians in DC.

 

[TooTall]

Who didn't see this coming?? ....

Cheney and the PNAC.

You mean Obama and Biden who cut and ran without negotiating leaving a force of Special Ops in country to respond to the insurgents.

 

[TooTall]

So how does the cost of oil today compare with December of 1990?
Crude Oil (petroleum); Dated Brent - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
BTW, the US hasn't been protecting the energy supply for the last 70 years.
It has been manipulating the energy supply to reward puppets and punish trolls.
FDR spelled it all out in 1944 when the US was the world's leading oil exporter.
The oil reserves of the Middle East were described shortly thereafter as the greatest material prize in history, and millions of Muslims have paid with their lives, homes, and futures in order for a few corrupt, western oligarcs and their political handmaidens and psychopathic generals to pillage the oil wealth of Muslims and funnel it to parasites in the US and Europe.

That chart only shows just how much more vital it is to protect the oil and natural gas of the middle east. There was risk before in 1950, 1970, and 1990, but today the risk is even greater because SUPPLY is struggling to keep up with demand. So the impact of military action to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil TODAY would be far worse than it was in 1990.


The world today is more dependent on petroleum than It was in 1990:

Daily world crude oil consumption in 1990 was 63,875,130 barrels a day.

Daily world crude oil consumption in 2011 was 87,356,290 barrels a day.

That's an increase of consumption in 21 years of nearly 50%! At that rate, by 2030, global consumption of crude oil will have doubled from 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

As the world consumes more oil, and supplies struggles to keep up with this extra demand, price naturally increases. This makes the need to defend the Persian Gulf to protect the supplies even more important than it ever has been in history.

As demand increases, and what supplies is available struggles to keep up, a sudden shock to the system such as Kuwait or Saudi Arabia being overrun would prove even more disasterous than it would have been in the past! Imagine paying 50 dollars for a gallon of gas!

World Crude Oil Consumption by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day)

Since the US has the only military that has sought to seize or sabotage Persian gulf oil in the last quarter century, maybe that explains why the cost of Persian gulf oil has increased from $35 a barrel in December of 1990 to over $100 a barrel in December of 2012.

By what stretch of the imagination is that a defense of Persian gulf oil for anyone except Wall Street speculators and their corporate politicians in DC.

Both Gulf wars were coalitions of US and other nations, and they were not fought to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil. They were waged, in part, to ensure the availability of oil to the World oil market. Supply and demand determine the price of oil which is dictated by OPEC.

 

[Desperado]

Here's what you should focus on.
Saddam intentionally led the world to believe he still had WMD's even though he didn't.

Does not say much about our intelligence agencies if Saddam could carry out a bluff like that.
Was anyone in those agencies fired for that major failure?

 

[JWBooth]

That chart only shows just how much more vital it is to protect the oil and natural gas of the middle east. There was risk before in 1950, 1970, and 1990, but today the risk is even greater because SUPPLY is struggling to keep up with demand. So the impact of military action to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil TODAY would be far worse than it was in 1990.


The world today is more dependent on petroleum than It was in 1990:

Daily world crude oil consumption in 1990 was 63,875,130 barrels a day.

Daily world crude oil consumption in 2011 was 87,356,290 barrels a day.

That's an increase of consumption in 21 years of nearly 50%! At that rate, by 2030, global consumption of crude oil will have doubled from 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

As the world consumes more oil, and supplies struggles to keep up with this extra demand, price naturally increases. This makes the need to defend the Persian Gulf to protect the supplies even more important than it ever has been in history.

As demand increases, and what supplies is available struggles to keep up, a sudden shock to the system such as Kuwait or Saudi Arabia being overrun would prove even more disasterous than it would have been in the past! Imagine paying 50 dollars for a gallon of gas!

World Crude Oil Consumption by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day)

Since the US has the only military that has sought to seize or sabotage Persian gulf oil in the last quarter century, maybe that explains why the cost of Persian gulf oil has increased from $35 a barrel in December of 1990 to over $100 a barrel in December of 2012.

By what stretch of the imagination is that a defense of Persian gulf oil for anyone except Wall Street speculators and their corporate politicians in DC.

Both Gulf wars were coalitions of US and other nations, and they were not fought to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil. They were waged, in part, to ensure the availability of oil to the World oil market. Supply and demand determine the price of oil which is dictated by OPEC.

So, when the government tells you that the sun is purple, you gonna buy into that fantasy too?

 

[georgephillip]

That chart only shows just how much more vital it is to protect the oil and natural gas of the middle east. There was risk before in 1950, 1970, and 1990, but today the risk is even greater because SUPPLY is struggling to keep up with demand. So the impact of military action to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil TODAY would be far worse than it was in 1990.


The world today is more dependent on petroleum than It was in 1990:

Daily world crude oil consumption in 1990 was 63,875,130 barrels a day.

Daily world crude oil consumption in 2011 was 87,356,290 barrels a day.

That's an increase of consumption in 21 years of nearly 50%! At that rate, by 2030, global consumption of crude oil will have doubled from 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

As the world consumes more oil, and supplies struggles to keep up with this extra demand, price naturally increases. This makes the need to defend the Persian Gulf to protect the supplies even more important than it ever has been in history.

As demand increases, and what supplies is available struggles to keep up, a sudden shock to the system such as Kuwait or Saudi Arabia being overrun would prove even more disasterous than it would have been in the past! Imagine paying 50 dollars for a gallon of gas!

World Crude Oil Consumption by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day)

Since the US has the only military that has sought to seize or sabotage Persian gulf oil in the last quarter century, maybe that explains why the cost of Persian gulf oil has increased from $35 a barrel in December of 1990 to over $100 a barrel in December of 2012.

By what stretch of the imagination is that a defense of Persian gulf oil for anyone except Wall Street speculators and their corporate politicians in DC.

Both Gulf wars were coalitions of US and other nations, and they were not fought to sieze or sabotage Persian Gulf oil. They were waged, in part, to ensure the availability of oil to the World oil market. Supply and demand determine the price of oil which is dictated by OPEC.

Both Gulf wars and those to come were set in motion during WWII, and it had absolutely nothing to do with making oil available to the world market; it had everything to do with controlling the flow of oil into the world market:

"The Red Line agreement governed the development of Middle East oil for the next two decades. The Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement of 1944 was based on negotiations between the United States and Britain over the control of Middle Eastern oil. Below is shown what the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt had in mind for to a British Ambassador in 1944:

"Persian oil …is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it’s ours."

American intervention in the Middle East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JWBooth]

Take a vase, throw it against the wall, and then be all surprised when it doesn't go back together as you would like.