Americans who fought in Fallujah watch Al Qaeda make Comeback

[Mr. H.]

"Mission Accomplished"

"al Qaeda is on the run..."


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[Sallow]

we should have NEVER gone to Iraq in the first place huh

Its good for the world and the United States that Saddam's regime was removed. The oil from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is more safe and secure than it has ever been and that oil is vital to the United States and global economy. Plus, now Iraq is producing more oil for the world market now that it is free of Saddam and free of international sanctions! That additional oil helps meet global demand which keeps prices from rising out of control, which impacts the price of food you put in your mouth every day!

That's kinda the bottom line isn't it?

Privatizing foreign resources for US interests.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Name a middle Eastern counrty thats better after Obama?

Egypt?

Iraq?

Syria?

Libya?

Oh, right Iran can develop nukes, they're better off

Oh, right Iran can develop nukes, they're better off

+ they get $4 billion in aid

 

[Sallow]

Who didn't see this coming?? ....

Why Sunni ... I'm shocked! For one who claims to be a "patriotic American Muslim" you sure sound like you're gloating.

Nope.

History will view the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation as a fools errand instigated by Israel.

I am just ahead of the curve. .....

Oh wait Sunni..

Let's see.

Saudi Arabia has been begging for decades to get rid of Iraqi and the Iranian Regimes.

Well connected oil boys and politicos form the PNAC which advocate for the invasion of Iraq. After failing to get Clinton on board they recognize that it would take a Pearl Harbor event to make such an attack take place.

Then, Osama Bin Laden, a Saudi National, trained in spooks ops by the CIA thanks to Reagan, sets up shop in Afghanistan...and sends Saudi and Egyptian Nationals to learn how to fly commercial airlines. Saudi Agents have been linked to funding these operations.

Then 9/11 happens and what's the first thing that comes out the Bush administration. Iraq. Saudi Nationals trained in Afghanistan and they are screaming Iraq.

After steamrolling Afghanistan, they stop..before killing Bin Laden, a Saudi from a rather rich family, and launch an attack on Iraq.

That sure does smack of Israel alrighty!

 

[Sallow]

Name a middle Eastern counrty thats better after Obama?

Egypt?

Iraq?

Syria?

Libya?

Oh, right Iran can develop nukes, they're better off

Oh, right Iran can develop nukes, they're better off

+ they get $4 billion in aid

The only reason Iran even wants nukes is twofold.

They want full control of their oil.

They do not want to be invaded.

That's it.

 

[Sallow]

"Mission Accomplished"

"al Qaeda is on the run..."


Sent from my ass using USMessageBoard.com

It is..

BBC News - Al-Qaeda's chief in Lebanon Majid al-Majid dies in custody

Majid al-Majid, al-Qaeda's commander in Lebanon, has died in custody in a Beirut hospital, Lebanon's army says.

The Saudi, who led the Abdullah Azzam Brigades and was on Saudi Arabia's most-wanted-terrorists list, was arrested in Lebanon recently.

An army general told Associated Press the militant died of kidney failure.

The group has carried out attacks across the Middle East and claimed a bomb attack on Iran's Beirut embassy in November that killed 23 people
BBC News - Al-Qaeda's chief in Lebanon Majid al-Majid dies in custody

(Oh look, a Saudi National)

The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) threatened to leave the city of Aleppo to government forces unless its rivals stop their attacks against it within 24 hours.

Isis has suffered losses in two days of fighting against an alliance of rebel forces in Aleppo and Idlib provinces.
BBC News - Al-Qaeda-linked Isis under attack in northern Syria

(Oh you silly rivals just stop, or we'll leave! )

 

[U2Edge]

"Al-Qaeda-linked militants took control of the central areas of the city of Fallujah in Iraq, an Al Arabiya correspondent reported on Saturday.

"The reports came as a senior security official in the western Anbar province said the Iraqi government had lost control of the city to the militants.

"'Fallujah is under the control of ISIL,' the official said, referring to al-Qaeda-linked group the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

The al-Qaeda fighters have seized military equipment provided by the U.S. Marines to Fallujah police, whose headquarters have been taken over, Uthman Mohamed, a local reporter in the city in Iraq’s western Anbar province, told Bloomberg news agency."

Iraq government loses control of Fallujah | Al Bawaba

Will see how tough your beloved Al Quada is in the weeks and months ahead. Maliki crushed Iranian backed Al Sadr's forces in southern Iraq, Al Quada in Fallujah will fair no better.

Maliki is just another corrupt US puppet in the same mold as Karzai or Saddam. His principle goal is to steal as much money as possible before "retirement" in Switzerland

"Iraq has spent $37 billion on electricity since 2003 ' the sum is more than the annual budgets of both Jordan and Lebanon put together' still the current state of power supplies as most parts of the country still suffer from protracted power outages.[52]

"Iraq ranked the 8th position as one of the most corrupted countries in the world in 2012.[53]

"Male children out of primary school from 2003 to 2007 increased 3 folds [54]

"Human rights conditions in Iraq remain poor, particularly for detainees, journalists, activists, and women and girls. Security forces continued to arbitrarily detain and torture detainees, holding some in secret jails. Iraq security forces respond to peaceful protest with intimidation, threats, violence, and arrests.[55]

"Outstanding failure to stop Al-Qaeda and Shiite militias violence specially in 2012 and 2013 which witnessed a daily car bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and even prisons breaks.[56]

"6 million Iraqis are still living below the poverty line according to UN Assistance Mission for Iraq, “ UNAMI "

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mission Accomplished?

Do you understand what United States interest are in Iraq and the rest of the Persian Gulf?

The #1 US interest there is the flow of oil and natural gas from this region. Provided that is SAFE AND SECURE from threats, and is flowing freely, the most important US interest in the region is taken care of.

Iraq is a third world country and the United States did not invade it to eliminate all corruption and poverty. That's just absurd and the idea that because not all of Iraq's internal problems have not been solved means the United States has not accomplished its mission there is simply foolish and ignorant!


By the way, do you know how many countries Saddam invaded while he was in power? How many countries has Maliki invaded while he has been in power? Which ruler Saddam or Maliki is better for the region given that?

 

[U2Edge]

Who didn't see this coming?? ....

Why Sunni ... I'm shocked! For one who claims to be a "patriotic American Muslim" you sure sound like you're gloating.

Nope.

History will view the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation as a fools errand instigated by Israel.

I am just ahead of the curve. .....

I look forward to reading your new book about how better off the region would be if Saddam were still the leader of Iraq. I'm sure it will be well praised best seller. LOL

Saddam was removed out of necessity. As long as Kuwaits security is at risk, United States security is at risk. Only fools and those ignorant of US national security interest since the 1940s fail to understand that.

 

[U2Edge]

Who didn't see this coming?? ....

Ex president Bush when he started the war that allowed that allowed extremist elements into Iraq where they were none before?
Much as Saddam was a total bastard, the invasion was as stupid as it was illegal because this was always on the cards but Bush and his moronic lot were far too stupid to see it.

The invasion was authorized by multiple UN resolutions making it perfectly legal. There have always been extremist elements in Iraq, even when Saddam was in power. But in any event, from the United States perspective, its far better to have a safe and secure Kuwait by removing Saddam if the cost is internal security problems for the new Iraqi government. A small town in Iraq has been temporarily taken over by extremist. That does not compare to a country being overrun an annexed, the use of WMD on thousands of people and the launcihing of ballistic missiles against multiple countries.

Minor to moderate internal Iraqi security problems is a better situation than large scale international war caused by a madman like Saddam!

 

[U2Edge]

Why Sunni ... I'm shocked! For one who claims to be a "patriotic American Muslim" you sure sound like you're gloating.

Nope.

History will view the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation as a fools errand instigated by Israel.

I am just ahead of the curve. .....

Oh wait Sunni..

Let's see.

Saudi Arabia has been begging for decades to get rid of Iraqi and the Iranian Regimes.

Well connected oil boys and politicos form the PNAC which advocate for the invasion of Iraq. After failing to get Clinton on board they recognize that it would take a Pearl Harbor event to make such an attack take place.

Then, Osama Bin Laden, a Saudi National, trained in spooks ops by the CIA thanks to Reagan, sets up shop in Afghanistan...and sends Saudi and Egyptian Nationals to learn how to fly commercial airlines. Saudi Agents have been linked to funding these operations.

Then 9/11 happens and what's the first thing that comes out the Bush administration. Iraq. Saudi Nationals trained in Afghanistan and they are screaming Iraq.

After steamrolling Afghanistan, they stop..before killing Bin Laden, a Saudi from a rather rich family, and launch an attack on Iraq.

That sure does smack of Israel alrighty!

Sorry, but the United States had already been bombing Iraq every year of the Clintion admistration long before W. even ran for office. Iraq was a major security problem for the United States since they invaded Kuwait in 1990. That problem was finally solved by removing Saddam and rebuilding the country. Kuwait has never been safer!

 

[U2Edge]

we should have NEVER gone to Iraq in the first place huh

Its good for the world and the United States that Saddam's regime was removed. The oil from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is more safe and secure than it has ever been and that oil is vital to the United States and global economy. Plus, now Iraq is producing more oil for the world market now that it is free of Saddam and free of international sanctions! That additional oil helps meet global demand which keeps prices from rising out of control, which impacts the price of food you put in your mouth every day!

That's kinda the bottom line isn't it?

Privatizing foreign resources for US interests.

No, its protecting those resources for the benefit of the global economy. But you'll only understand that if you understand how the global economy works and how such resources impact the global economy.

 

[Indofred]

we should have NEVER gone to Iraq in the first place huh

Its good for the world and the United States that Saddam's regime was removed. The oil from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is more safe and secure than it has ever been and that oil is vital to the United States and global economy. Plus, now Iraq is producing more oil for the world market now that it is free of Saddam and free of international sanctions! That additional oil helps meet global demand which keeps prices from rising out of control, which impacts the price of food you put in your mouth every day!

It produced and sold it before the American led sanctions.
Please explain how removing sanctioned helped when you put them there in the first place.

 

[U2Edge]

we should have NEVER gone to Iraq in the first place huh

Its good for the world and the United States that Saddam's regime was removed. The oil from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is more safe and secure than it has ever been and that oil is vital to the United States and global economy. Plus, now Iraq is producing more oil for the world market now that it is free of Saddam and free of international sanctions! That additional oil helps meet global demand which keeps prices from rising out of control, which impacts the price of food you put in your mouth every day!

It produced and sold it before the American led sanctions.
Please explain how removing sanctioned helped when you put them there in the first place.

The sanctions were necessary while Saddam was still in power in Iraq. In case you did not know, Saddam illegally invaded and annexed the entire country of Kuwait. That's the first time another country was invaded and annexed since Adolf Hitler did it in World War II.

So, by removing Saddam from power, the United States and the international community no longer had to engage in a containment policy of Saddam which required the sanctions and other means in order to try and contain him.

Iraq is now free of Saddam and international sanctions thanks to US actions of the past ten years.

 

[Indofred]

Its good for the world and the United States that Saddam's regime was removed. The oil from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is more safe and secure than it has ever been and that oil is vital to the United States and global economy. Plus, now Iraq is producing more oil for the world market now that it is free of Saddam and free of international sanctions! That additional oil helps meet global demand which keeps prices from rising out of control, which impacts the price of food you put in your mouth every day!

It produced and sold it before the American led sanctions.
Please explain how removing sanctioned helped when you put them there in the first place.

The sanctions were necessary while Saddam was still in power in Iraq. In case you did not know, Saddam illegally invaded and annexed the entire country of Kuwait. That's the first time another country was invaded and annexed since Adolf Hitler did it in World War II.

So, by removing Saddam from power, the United States and the international community no longer had to engage in a containment policy of Saddam which required the sanctions and other means in order to try and contain him.

Iraq is now free of Saddam and international sanctions thanks to US actions of the past ten years.

With thousands of dead Americans, who knows how many dead Iraqi civilians and an unstable country where extremist groups flourish.

Yep, that was a good move.

 

[Politico]

Sigh.

 

[georgephillip]

Will see how tough your beloved Al Quada is in the weeks and months ahead. Maliki crushed Iranian backed Al Sadr's forces in southern Iraq, Al Quada in Fallujah will fair no better.

Maliki is just another corrupt US puppet in the same mold as Karzai or Saddam. His principle goal is to steal as much money as possible before "retirement" in Switzerland

"Iraq has spent $37 billion on electricity since 2003 ' the sum is more than the annual budgets of both Jordan and Lebanon put together' still the current state of power supplies as most parts of the country still suffer from protracted power outages.[52]

"Iraq ranked the 8th position as one of the most corrupted countries in the world in 2012.[53]

"Male children out of primary school from 2003 to 2007 increased 3 folds [54]

"Human rights conditions in Iraq remain poor, particularly for detainees, journalists, activists, and women and girls. Security forces continued to arbitrarily detain and torture detainees, holding some in secret jails. Iraq security forces respond to peaceful protest with intimidation, threats, violence, and arrests.[55]

"Outstanding failure to stop Al-Qaeda and Shiite militias violence specially in 2012 and 2013 which witnessed a daily car bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and even prisons breaks.[56]

"6 million Iraqis are still living below the poverty line according to UN Assistance Mission for Iraq, “ UNAMI "

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mission Accomplished?

Do you understand what United States interest are in Iraq and the rest of the Persian Gulf?

The #1 US interest there is the flow of oil and natural gas from this region. Provided that is SAFE AND SECURE from threats, and is flowing freely, the most important US interest in the region is taken care of.

Iraq is a third world country and the United States did not invade it to eliminate all corruption and poverty. That's just absurd and the idea that because not all of Iraq's internal problems have not been solved means the United States has not accomplished its mission there is simply foolish and ignorant!


By the way, do you know how many countries Saddam invaded while he was in power? How many countries has Maliki invaded while he has been in power? Which ruler Saddam or Maliki is better for the region given that?

You believe the deaths, maiming, displacement, and incarceration of millions of innocent civilians is justified by your unproven allegation that Saddam posed a threat to the "free" flow of oil from the Middle East?

Saddam's and Gaddafi's biggest oil-related threat was to threaten to sell their oil without using US dollars.

There hasn't been any "free" flow of oil from the Middle East since 1944 at least, and probably never since oil became capitalism's life blood.

"The Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement of 1944 was based on negotiations between the United States and Britain over the control of Middle Eastern oil. Below is shown what the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt had in mind for to a British Ambassador in 1944:
Persian oil …is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it’s ours.[6]"

American intervention in the Middle East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[U2Edge]

It produced and sold it before the American led sanctions.
Please explain how removing sanctioned helped when you put them there in the first place.

The sanctions were necessary while Saddam was still in power in Iraq. In case you did not know, Saddam illegally invaded and annexed the entire country of Kuwait. That's the first time another country was invaded and annexed since Adolf Hitler did it in World War II.

So, by removing Saddam from power, the United States and the international community no longer had to engage in a containment policy of Saddam which required the sanctions and other means in order to try and contain him.

Iraq is now free of Saddam and international sanctions thanks to US actions of the past ten years.

With thousands of dead Americans, who knows how many dead Iraqi civilians and an unstable country where extremist groups flourish.

Yep, that was a good move.

American sacrifice achieved many great things in Iraq. US losses in the war were relatively small compared to Vietnam, Korea, World War II and World War I. The United States removed Saddam and got the country to function on its own in less than 9 years, a record for invasions and occupations that are plagued by insurgencies. The number of Iraqi civilians that died was rather small compared to past wars and occupations.

Iraq has achieved some level of stability, but more importantly, it is managing the unstable parts now without the help of the United States military.

Indeed, it was a very good move as the costs were relatively low, and the benefits to US and global security were dramatically HIGH!

 

[U2Edge]

Maliki is just another corrupt US puppet in the same mold as Karzai or Saddam. His principle goal is to steal as much money as possible before "retirement" in Switzerland

"Iraq has spent $37 billion on electricity since 2003 ' the sum is more than the annual budgets of both Jordan and Lebanon put together' still the current state of power supplies as most parts of the country still suffer from protracted power outages.[52]

"Iraq ranked the 8th position as one of the most corrupted countries in the world in 2012.[53]

"Male children out of primary school from 2003 to 2007 increased 3 folds [54]

"Human rights conditions in Iraq remain poor, particularly for detainees, journalists, activists, and women and girls. Security forces continued to arbitrarily detain and torture detainees, holding some in secret jails. Iraq security forces respond to peaceful protest with intimidation, threats, violence, and arrests.[55]

"Outstanding failure to stop Al-Qaeda and Shiite militias violence specially in 2012 and 2013 which witnessed a daily car bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and even prisons breaks.[56]

"6 million Iraqis are still living below the poverty line according to UN Assistance Mission for Iraq, “ UNAMI "

Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mission Accomplished?

Do you understand what United States interest are in Iraq and the rest of the Persian Gulf?

The #1 US interest there is the flow of oil and natural gas from this region. Provided that is SAFE AND SECURE from threats, and is flowing freely, the most important US interest in the region is taken care of.

Iraq is a third world country and the United States did not invade it to eliminate all corruption and poverty. That's just absurd and the idea that because not all of Iraq's internal problems have not been solved means the United States has not accomplished its mission there is simply foolish and ignorant!


By the way, do you know how many countries Saddam invaded while he was in power? How many countries has Maliki invaded while he has been in power? Which ruler Saddam or Maliki is better for the region given that?

You believe the deaths, maiming, displacement, and incarceration of millions of innocent civilians is justified by your unproven allegation that Saddam posed a threat to the "free" flow of oil from the Middle East?



American intervention in the Middle East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its not an allegation, Saddam did in fact invade and ANNEX Kuwait. He also burned all of Iraq's oil wells and dumped millions of tons of oil into the Persian Gulf creating one of the worst environmental disasters in all of history. Saddam invaded Iran, Invaded and Attacked Saudi Arabia. Saddam launched ballistic missiles against Israel, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Saddam used WMD more times than any leader since World War I. It was an absolute necessity that he be removed and he ways.

The deaths, maiming and displacement that occurred is minor compared to that caused by United States actions in World War II, Korea and Vietnam. More importantly, the good that was done is massive, and will continue to benefit Iraq and the region for the rest of the century.

I'm sorry you think it would be a good idea for Saddam to still be in Iraq, but he is not coming back to Iraq! Just as the world is better off without Hitler, it is also better off without Saddam.

Saddam's and Gaddafi's biggest oil-related threat was to threaten to sell their oil without using US dollars.

There hasn't been any "free" flow of oil from the Middle East since 1944 at least, and probably never since oil became capitalism's life blood.

LOL, you must be living on another planet, because oil companies around the world, regardless of country have been buying and selling Persian Gulf oil on the global market for decades. Also, Saddam's invasion of Kuwait caused the 1991 recession by keeping Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil off the world market.

Today, Chinese, Russian, American, European, and even South American companies buy and sell Iraqi oil and other Persian Gulf oil on the global market every day. That is the definition of the free flow of oil supplies from the middle east, for EVERYONES NEEDS!

 

[georgephillip]

"The phrase petrodollar warfare refers to a theory that one of the driving forces of the foreign policy of the United States has been the status of the United States dollar as the world's dominant reserve currency and as the currency in which oil is priced.

"The term was coined by William R. Clark, who has written a book with the same title. The phrase oil currency war is sometimes used with the same meaning."

Petrodollar warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[U2Edge]

Sorry, but its far more basic than that. We live in an industrial society which requires ENERGY for just about everything we do unless you live like the Amish in Pennsylvania. Oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear provide over 95% of that energy. The transportation sector relies on oil for over 90% of its energy needs. Energy demand is constantly increasing year after year as the global economy increases. That increases the demand for oil every year. Without sufficient supply of oil to meet that demand, the price of oil starts to sharply rise, and that impacts the whole economy, from the price of gas you put in your car, the price of food you put in your mouth, and whether the business you work at remains open or has to close its doors leaving you with no job, no income, in a world of rising prices! So the price of oil matters and is most heavily impacted by the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. Anything that endangers that, is a threat to the American way of life all the way down to our jobs, gas we put in the car, and the food we put in our mouth. So it matters big time, which is why it has been US policy to protect the energy supply from the Persian Gulf for over 70 years now!