American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Marriage counseling by a priest?

Like getting flying lessons from an alligator.

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I never said it was by a priest.

I don't personally know, since I've never been married in the church.


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[mudwhistle]

Muslim?

I sooner stick pins in my eyes.

 

[mudwhistle]

Marriage counseling by a priest?

Like getting flying lessons from an alligator.

I remember when I went in for counseling at my church.
I was a member of the LDS church, and the bishop took one look at my fiance and looked like he'd eaten some bad Sushi.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I remember when I went in for counseling at my church.
I was a member of the LDS church, and the bishop took one look at my fiance and looked like he'd eaten some bad Sushi.

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Was that Elouise?

 

[mudwhistle]

Too many men don't know what being a man is about. They need to grow up! Maybe then more women will change their minds and give some of them a chance.

Being a man means taking out the trash, learning to cook, putting the seat down, and listening.

 

[mudwhistle]

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Was that Elouise?

Yup.

 

[JoeB131]

The problem is, there's no real upside to marriage.

You pay a higher tax rate, you open yourself up to more legal liability, depending on who makes more money.

There's simply nothing you can get from marriage that you can't get from living together in "sin".

My generation, it was considered a sin to live together outside of marriage. Today, even for couples that get married, there is often a period of years of "co-habitation".

I think the other part of the problem is how our society has changed.

Used to be, you graduated high, you got a job (hopefully at a place where you could join a union), and you started making babies.

Today- You graduate High School. You go to College for four years. You then spend years trying to get enough economic independence to buy a home. And then, maybe, maybe you get married.

 

[DonGlock26]

Today- You graduate High School. You go to College for four years. You then spend years trying to get enough economic independence to buy a home. And then, maybe, maybe you get married.

Isn't globalism great?

 

[JoeB131]

Isn't globalism great?

I can't take anyone seriously who talks about Globalism like it's a real thing.

Most of the rest of the Globe hasn't abandoned marriage as an institution.

Quite the contrary, in China, it's considered quite a disgrace for a woman over 30 to be unmarried. She is referred to as a "sheng nu" - leftover woman.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Yup.

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Didn't know Mormons were racists. (Silly thing to say, I know)


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[Coyote]

Traditional men/women roles are, according to the left, a right-wing and white supremacist narrative.

I follow a few zoomer channels to stay in touch with what is going on with my kid and his generation.


Zoomers are actually more traditional and conservative than the Millenials are.


She just dropped another related video to this topic. While she herself is a lefty/Bernie type person. . . she doesn't buy into post-modernism at all.

The TikTok TradWife Epidemic​

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The Female Dating Strategy​

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There is nothing wrong with traditional roles.

As long as “choice” still exists.

But this “Trad Wife” thing? It’s just weird.

For one, few women, historically, were able to live like that…it’s a game and one that requires a degree of wealth to play.

My mother’s generation fought to have the right to work, have her own checking account and credit cards, to be able to get a mortgage or a loan without a husbands signature. These “Trad Wives” have no clue what it was like for for their grandmothers who did not have those choices. If they want to completely give up their financial independence completely to the husband (rather than sharing it) they better hope he doesn’t trade them in for a newer later in life.

 

[Blaster]

Many women have multiple sex partners and are happy living alone. I can't remember the last time I didn't get to bang a woman on the first date.

 

[mudwhistle]

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Didn't know Mormons were racists. (Silly thing to say, I know)


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Not all of them are. It used to be they wouldn't allow a non-white or a woman to have the power of the priesthood*. Every male church member was given the power after they are baptized into the church.
It's the same blessing that Jesus gave the Disciples when he told them to go out and heal the sick.

*That practice ended in 78' thanks to a declaration from the prophet.

I never took Elouise to Sacrament in the LDS church because I didn't want to deal with the nasty looks. They didn't believe in mixed marriages back then. I've had years of nasty looks from old ladies when Elouise and I went shopping. The cashiers would always ask if we were together. That ended about 10-15 years ago.

 

[MisterBeale]

But this “Trad Wife” thing? It’s just weird.

I'm not sure I understand what is weird about it.

The acknowledgement that men and women have different strengths and weaknesses, while what is most critical, is always having a parent in the home?


I suppose if you like big government and feel government has more rights to your body and family? Yeah, I suppose that could be considered. . "weird."


Is this, to you, weirder than letting boys and men into female only spaces and female sports?

it’s a game and one that requires a degree of wealth to play.

duh.


. . . so you didn't watch the entire video huh? You never managed to get to 18:30?

 

[citygator]

Have a job and don’t be an ass and you’re basically a chick magnet. Too many guys can’t pull off both.

 

[Coyote]

I'm not sure I understand what is weird about it.

It is weird because it is a lifestyle that is entirely fictional when you come right down to it. It is based on an “ideal” of family and women that existed more in television than life. In real is a role that women were FORCED to accept because laws did not allow them to open a bank account without their husband, to get loan, a mortgage or a credit card no matter how much of a wastrel the husband was. When a woman married she could be fired because she “no longer needed the job”.

Part of the Trad Wife thing is that she completely subordinates her sense of self to her husband in the ideal of a fifties “housewife”. She is discouraged from intellectual conversation, her work rearing children and maintaining a household is largely unacknowledged as “work” and subordinated to her husbands “real work”.

And here’s the thing…women not only fought hard for the right to have a career, but they also fought to have their work raising children and managing a household to valued as work as well.

The acknowledgement that men and women have different strengths and weaknesses, while what is most critical, is always having a parent in the home?

But that isn’t what the Trad Wife movement really is. Many Trad Wives don’t even have children for example.

Men and women bring different strengths to a relationship, but those aren’t necessarily aligned with strict gender roles. A man might be the primary breadwinner but his wife might be more astute with managing their finances. A woman might have the better career options and a man might have a work from home job enabling him to be the one there with children, and he may enjoy that. Or they might split it.

OR, what is much more realistic, and has often the case for many women…they can’t afford to live on just one salary. That is why the Trad Wife thing usually requires a degree of wealth. If you look at the most visible “influencers” for it, their husbands bring in a lot of money which allows her the choice.

I suppose if you like big government and feel government has more rights to your body and family? Yeah, I suppose that could be considered. . "weird."

? What does government have to do with it?

It is about choice.

Is this, to you, weirder than letting boys and men into female only spaces and female sports?

What does that have to do with anything other than a redirection?

duh.


. . . so you didn't watch the entire video huh? You never managed to get to 18:30?

I don’t watch long videos. I do read a lot however and reading is my preferred mode.

 

[buttercup]

It is weird because it is a lifestyle that is entirely fictional when you come right down to it. It is based on an “ideal” of family and women that existed more in television than life. In real is a role that women were FORCED to accept because laws did not allow them to open a bank account without their husband, to get loan, a mortgage or a credit card no matter how much of a wastrel the husband was. When a woman married she could be fired because she “no longer needed the job”.

Part of the Trad Wife thing is that she completely subordinates her sense of self to her husband in the ideal of a fifties “housewife”. She is discouraged from intellectual conversation, her work rearing children and maintaining a household is largely unacknowledged as “work” and subordinated to her husbands “real work”.

And here’s the thing…women not only fought hard for the right to have a career, but they also fought to have their work raising children and managing a household to valued as work as well.



But that isn’t what the Trad Wife movement really is. Many Trad Wives don’t even have children for example.

Men and women bring different strengths to a relationship, but those aren’t necessarily aligned with strict gender roles. A man might be the primary breadwinner but his wife might be more astute with managing their finances. A woman might have the better career options and a man might have a work from home job enabling him to be the one there with children, and he may enjoy that. Or they might split it.

OR, what is much more realistic, and has often the case for many women…they can’t afford to live on just one salary. That is why the Trad Wife thing usually requires a degree of wealth. If you look at the most visible “influencers” for it, their husbands bring in a lot of money which allows her the choice.


? What does government have to do with it?

It is about choice.




What does that have to do with anything other than a redirection?


I don’t watch long videos. I do read a lot however and reading is my preferred mode.

It's not fictional at all. Plenty of women choose to be a stay-at-home mom, instead of having someone else raise their kids...at least for the early years. What's weird is that you think there's something wrong with that, and that you think its weird. From a common sense standpoint, wouldn't you agree that it's better for the kids to have at least one parent at home, so they can spend time with their kids during those important early years?

Btw, according to the late Aaron Russo, who was friends with one of the Rockefellers.... the whole "women's lib" movement was started by the globalists, not for noble reasons, but to be able to tax the other half of the population, and to get the kids in school at an earlier age, so they can indoctrinate them young.

Here's a clip from a longer interview....

 

[MisterBeale]

But that isn’t what the Trad Wife movement really is.

I'm afraid we cannot come to an accord, if you get to define this however you wish.
It is not about women's rights, nor is it about the struggle of feminists for equality.

. . . That traditional gender roles had once been codified in law? Makes not a lick of difference here.

Seriously, that is what this movement is all about. . . FAMILY AND COMMUNITY stability.

The History of Tradwives - TradWife TradLife

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tradwifetradlife.com

I was attempting to explain the OP. . . why most women have given up on marriage.
This is just this new generation, looking to go back to what used to work. (For most I acknowledge, not for all.)

“Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back. Sometimes the problem has mutated or disappeared. Often it is still there as strong as it ever was.”​

A quote from Courtship Rite

Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back. Sometimes the problem has...

www.goodreads.com

The left gets really upset when the right defines what they believe in, why would it be any different (or wrong,) from the other side?

I don’t watch long videos. I do read a lot however and reading is my preferred mode.

Agreed. But you are clearly reading the wrong material.

You are reading content created by socialists, feminists and leftists, not the content they create.


This is like the right getting to define what feminism or socialism is, rather than how the left views it.

That is a straw-man argument.

If you need to construct straw-men to beat this down, IMO, you have already lost.

 

[JohnDB]

"American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage


Major demographic shifts have put men and women on divergent paths. That’s left more women resigned to being single. ‘The numbers aren’t netting out.’
After a handful of underwhelming relationships and dozens of disappointing first dates, Andrea Vorlicek recently called off the search for a husband.
The 29-year-old always thought she’d have found her life partner by now. Instead, she’s house hunting solo and considering having kids on her own.

“I’m financially self-sufficient enough to do these things myself,” said Vorlicek, a Boston-based accountant. “I’m willing to accept being single versus settling for someone who isn’t the right fit.”
She sees her plans for an independent future as making the best of a lousy situation. “I don’t want to sit here and say I’m 100% happy,” Vorlicek said. “But I feel happier just accepting my reality. It’s mentally and emotionally a sense of peace.”

American women have never been this resigned to staying single. They are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing gender gaps in economic and educational attainment, political affiliation and beliefs about what a family should look like.
“The numbers aren’t netting out,” said Daniel Cox, director of the"

https://archive.is/s3g3f#selection-5933.0-5965.66

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/relationships/american-women-are-giving-up-on-marriage-54840971

This does not bode well for the nation as a whole. There will be a lot of lonely cat ladies in a decade or two.

Women are not giving up on men....
It's actually the other way around.

Men have decided in droves not to seek relationships with women. Because of child support payments after ten years of marriage really sucks. You don't get your kid but have to support her lifestyle of being on a sausage carousel.

And guys are tired of being blamed as "bad guys" when they did nothing wrong.

So....
Men are becoming increasingly uninterested in engaging in relationships with women. Especially ones with butterfly tattoos on their chest, ones with social media profiles that features photos of her half naked, or ones with any sort of piercings outside of one each ear. They flat our don't want to even go on coffee dates with them much less cocktails at a bar.

Especially during difficult financial times where jobs and incomes are tight....guys just dont want to risk their lifestyles on dating. Lots of risks and very poor odds of any benefits resulting from a quasi positive relationship.

 

[Coyote]

I'm afraid we cannot come to an accord, if you get to define this however you wish.
It is not about women's rights, nor is it about the struggle of feminists for equality.

. . . That traditional gender roles had once been codified in law? Makes not a lick of difference here.

Seriously, that is what this movement is all about. . . FAMILY AND COMMUNITY stability.

The History of Tradwives - TradWife TradLife

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tradwifetradlife.com

I think maybe we misunderstand each other. But part of the issue is you cannot look at the Trad Wife movement without also looking at feminism because it is in part a response to feminism.

My argument with it is that family, community and stability can attained without the trappings of that movement which, if the influencers are to go by, are almost a caricature of the role. My best friend is a woman in a fairly traditional role, of a fairly conservative religion. She is educated, expresses her views on an equal footing with her husband, is active in church and community, raised 4 children and worked a farm. She did not have to have to ask permission to spend money, she did not dress up in costumes just to please him when he came home from work since she had spent the day working both the farm and managing house and children.

I was attempting to explain the OP. . . why most women have given up on marriage.
This is just this new generation, looking to go back to what used to work. (For most I acknowledge, not for all.)

I agree with what you said that I bolded…but please note, I am allowed to disagree with the elements of this movement I think are risky or unrealistic. BUT, for me, it is all about CHOICE. And that is their choice, that is fine. Just please recognize what their mothers had to fight for, in aworld where they had no choice, so they could have that choice.

“Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back. Sometimes the problem has mutated or disappeared. Often it is still there as strong as it ever was.”​

A quote from Courtship Rite

Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back. Sometimes the problem has...

www.goodreads.com

The left gets really upset when the right defines what they believe in, why would it be any different (or wrong,) from the other side?

Fiddler on the Roof…great choice

Agreed. But you are clearly reading the wrong material.

You are reading content created by socialists, feminists and leftists, not the content they create.

Well, not exactly. Some of the content I’m reading is a historical look at what the lifestyle is supposedly representing… a reality that never really existed historically. I’ve also read material from former Trad Wives who soured on it. For example:

Former ‘trad wife’ reveals the ‘ugliness’ behind picture-perfect lifestyle: ‘I wish anybody could help me out of this’

“If I had the money, if I had the means, if I had some way, I would not be married. I hate this,” she recalled thinking about her past life.

nypost.com

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/17/nx-s1-5206673/tradwives-have-taken-over-tiktok-now-ex-tradwives-want-their-moment

Confessions of a Former Tradwife

One mom shares her experience as a tradwife and mother, plus why and how she left her tradwife life behind.

theeverymom.com

and these are not all “leftist” sources.

This is like the right getting to define what feminism or socialism is, rather than how the left views it.

That is a straw-man argument.

If you need to construct straw-men to beat this down, IMO, you have already lost.

How exactly am I making a strawman argument?

Trad Wife is a very specific lifestyle, it’s not just a stay at home traditional mom lifestyle. I’m not defining it, they are.