American values, America first and fixing the immigration problem

[Foxfyre]

So the leftwing lawfare courts require 'due process' for every migrant further than 100 miles from the U.S. border. We are talking millions and millions of undocumented migrants meaning a 'due process' requiring generations to complete.

So I propose the solution to this dilemma as follows:

1. Via executive order, homeland security policy, congressional vote, the following shall be the U.S. policy:

--Any employer knowingly hiring an undocumented migrant, i.e. undocumented migrant is anyone without the proper work visa or Green Card, will be committing a felony and subject to prison time of not less than one year and/or fines not less than $100,000. The person must provide real I.D. to work or the federal government will provide a lightning fast means for employers to check a person's social security number as valid and assigned to the person applying.

--If they committed no additional crime other than immigrating illegally into the USA, migrants who voluntarily return to their home countries within a reasonable grace period, even with U.S. transportation provided, can apply through normal immigration processes to immigrate here.

--No public services--food, housing, healthcare, education, cash, legal counsel, transportation, driver's licenses or any other licenses, any items of value--may be knowingly provided any undocumented migrant. Exceptions are the the most basic immediate humanitarian aid of food, water, emergency medical care sufficient before deportation. We can provide basic inexpensive transportation to return them to their home country.

--Any undocumented migrant arrested/detained for any reason, whether judged guilty of a crime or not other than being in the country illegally will be automatically ineligible to immigrate legally and ineligible for any consideration of U.S. citizenship.

--H-1B and H-2A temporary work visas can be expedited for NECESSARY workers to be brought in for specialized occupations and agricultural work.

--Some reasonable provisions can be applied to DACA people who have no family and no recollection of a home country other than the USA.

--Jus soli, chain migration, lottery system for immigration will all cease.

--'Due process' in this case will be to determine without reasonable doubt that the person is in the country illegally or without valid permission and that there is no evidence amnesty is warranted. (We should return to the policy of designating those countries from which amnesty may be granted.)

2. All states will be required to enforced these laws and policies that reflect basic American values and original constitutional intent.


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[TNHarley]

Any employer knowingly hiring an undocumented migrant, i.e. undocumented migrant is anyone without the proper work visa or Green Card, will be committing a felony and subject to prison time of not less than one year and/or fines not less than $100,000.

yes!

If they committed no additional crime other than immigrating illegally into the USA, migrants who voluntarily return to their home countries, even with U.S. transportation provided, can apply through normal immigration processes to immigrant here.

that can work

No public services

Hell no. No incentive what-so-ever.

H-1B and H-2A temporary work visas can be expedited for NECESSARY workers to be brought in for specialized occupations and agricultural work.

meh I could work with that.

Some reasonable provisions can be applied to DACA people who have no family and no recollection of a home country other than the USA.

Losing me now.

Jus soli, chain migration, lottery system for immigration will all cease.

Perfect!

All states will be required to enforced these laws and policies that reflect basic American values and original constitutional intent

The states do not have to go along with these laws. Of course, the fed gov can blackmail them, like they have been doing for years, because we have a bloated unconstitutional fed gov, that wants their nose in every damn thing.


We could work on some good policy, fox

 

[Foxfyre]

yes!


that can work

Hell no. No incentive what-so-ever.

meh I could work with that.

Losing me now.

Perfect!


The states do not have to go along with these laws. Of course, the fed gov can blackmail them, like they have been doing for years, because we have a bloated unconstitutional fed gov, that wants their nose in every damn thing.


We could work on some good policy, fox

If it's federal law, the states will need to comply just as they do with all federal laws. I made a provision for true DACA people for purely humanitarian reasons. i am not the cold heartless person most of the left will paint me for proposing what I believe are practical, reasonable, and necessary immigration policies.

I am pretty sure some people who show up to work in my household (contractors, cleaning services and such) are undocumented migrants and they are mostly competent and nice people. I like them very much and wish them no harm. But I cannot let my emotions dictate national policy as to who can and cannot be in the USA legally. Allowing undocumented migrants come here unrestricted and most especially treating them better than we treat our own citizens which encourages millions to come, is neither good for the USA or good for the migrants.

 

[Foxfyre]

yes!


that can work

Hell no. No incentive what-so-ever.

meh I could work with that.

Losing me now.

Perfect!


The states do not have to go along with these laws. Of course, the fed gov can blackmail them, like they have been doing for years, because we have a bloated unconstitutional fed gov, that wants their nose in every damn thing.


We could work on some good policy, fox

Further:

It is a delicate balancing act between federal authority and state sovereignty built into the Constitution most likely in the Founder's wisdom to limit the scope and power of a central government.

But what if the states unilaterally decided they won't comply with federal income tax laws, social security, Medicare, OSHA, EPA regulations, etc. etc. etc.? What recourse do other citizens via the federal government have? If California decides to continue to be a sanctuary state and encourage illegal migration, can we do anything about that?

No clear answers there.

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[TNHarley]

cannot let my emotions dictate national policy

Yea, that pretty much doesnt work on anything.

 

[TNHarley]

If it's federal law, the states will need to comply just as they do with all federal laws.

Look at sanctuary laws. The feds will have to come in and do their own enforcement. Unless they get blackmailed with funds for things.

 

[TNHarley]

Further:

It is a delicate balancing act between federal authority and state sovereignty built into the Constitution most likely in the Founder's wisdom to limit the scope and power of a central government.

But what if the states unilaterally decided they won't comply with federal income tax laws, social security, Medicare, OSHA, EPA regulations, etc. etc. etc.? What recourse do other citizens via the federal government have? If California decides to continue to be a sanctuary state and encourage illegal migration, can we do anything about that?

No clear answers there.

States' Refusal Of Federal Law: Constitutional Quandary | LawShun

The refusal of states to comply with federal law is a complex constitutional issue. Explore the legal and political implications of this quandary and the potential consequences.

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As far as I know, there is nothing you can do. Except use force. And who wants another civil war?

 

[Foxfyre]

Look at sanctuary laws. The feds will have to come in and do their own enforcement. Unless they get blackmailed with funds for things.

When it is reasonable and makes sense, I don't look at withholding federal funds as 'blackmail' though. Schools that do not educate or engage in practices that violate reasonable American values or principles should not receive taxpayer provided funds. States that promote policies that produce higher risk to their citizens should not be funded in those policies.

So a state that engages in encouraging illegal migration into the country and thereby puts all Americans at higher risk should not be funded in any way that helps them do that.

In my mind, that is simple, practical, sensible ethics.

 

[Foxfyre]

As far as I know, there is nothing you can do. Except use force. And who wants another civil war?

The taxpayers should not be required to fund a state that is engaging in dangerous or unAmerican policies. We may not be able to stop them from doing that. But we sure don't have to reward them for it or pay for it.

 

[Foxfyre]

So d0gbreath, what's your plan since you don't like mine?

 

[d0gbreath]

So d0gbreath, what's your plan since you don't like mine?

Open borders.

 

[Foxfyre]

Open borders.

And your justification for that?

 

[d0gbreath]

And your justification for that?

I don't like borders.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't like borders.

I suggest you move to a country that doesn't enforce them then as the vast majority of Americans do want our borders enforced.

 

[d0gbreath]

I suggest you move to a country that doesn't enforce them then as the vast majority of Americans do want our borders enforced.

And so they are. That doesn't mean that I have to like it.

 

[Foxfyre]

And so they are. That doesn't mean that I have to like it.

Well good luck in finding a country that you can live and work in without getting the proper permissions to do so.

 

[d0gbreath]

Well good luck in finding a country that you can live and work in without getting the proper permissions to do so.

Good point. You must however understand that my disliking borders is world wide.

 

[Foxfyre]

Good point. You must however understand that my disliking borders is world wide.

Then why do ALL countries, and I do mean ALL countries, have very specific laws about who is allowed to live and work there and under what conditions/specifications? Yes most EU countries allow EU citizens to live and work pretty much wherever they want within the EU just as U.S. states allows U.S. citizens to live and work wherever in the U.S. they want to live and work. But if you go to France or Germany or anywhere else in the E.U. or any other country, you will have to obtain the proper visas to live and work there.

 

[d0gbreath]

Then why do ALL countries, and I do mean ALL countries, have very specific laws about who is allowed to live and work there and under what conditions/specifications?

Our creator fucked up during our creation? Borders and anarchists don't mix well.

 

[80zephyr]

Further:

It is a delicate balancing act between federal authority and state sovereignty built into the Constitution most likely in the Founder's wisdom to limit the scope and power of a central government.

But what if the states unilaterally decided they won't comply with federal income tax laws, social security, Medicare, OSHA, EPA regulations, etc. etc. etc.? What recourse do other citizens via the federal government have? If California decides to continue to be a sanctuary state and encourage illegal migration, can we do anything about that?

No clear answers there.

States' Refusal Of Federal Law: Constitutional Quandary | LawShun

The refusal of states to comply with federal law is a complex constitutional issue. Explore the legal and political implications of this quandary and the potential consequences.

lawshun.com

And more states and municipalities are doing just that. When states started to ignore federal law, they should have been slapped down. Hard. Now, that Pandora's box is open. Can it be closed?