American Democracy

[Said1]

It didn't know what section this should go in, so I put it here. I find the opinions and propaganda expressed in the following article to be very disheartening, and very sad.

http://www.yobserver.com/news/article_1975.html


American democracy
By Mohammed Al-Attab
Sep 11, 2004 - Vol . VII Issue 36


What kind of democracy does America want the world to follow? It is a question that all of us, citizens or officials, should answer.


Is what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan a kind of democracy or a new kind of colonization being adopted by the USA after the fall of the Soviet Union as a superpower that prevented such unilateral control of the fate of the states of the world?

The answer is clear and obvious that America is ruled by a minority of businessmen who are not interested in democracy or other principles; they are only interested in how to control the world and its wealth for their own greedy souls.

You can clearly see that most American presidents are businessmen or supported by super well-known companies. The American people themselves do not have any will or power to define their interests or to project their true identity to the world.

If there is a free American candidate who wants to be president of the USA, he must follow the instructions of companies and powerful persons, otherwise he will not be able to gain control of the most powerful state in the world. After all, only a minority of Americans actually participate in the elections.

If you are working for an American company, your vote is not yours--it is the company’s right, so you should vote for who the owner of the company wants you to vote for.

Formore American president Bill Clinton said about his election expenses that once he rented an airplane to travel to an American states, and he was given the expenses from an American liquor company, which demanded of him later, during his administration, to reopen its closed factories in Europe.

When America wanted Turkey to allow its borders with Iraq to be used as a military base, Turkey proved that it is not the kind of democracy that America wants the developing countries to become.

We also can see that most presidents of developing countries once worked in an illegal trade of some sort and made a lot of money through their friendships with powerful American officials.

So what kind of democracy does America want us to follow, when we have our own Islamic teachings promoting the shura, which is the closest thing to democracy, but more truthful?

 

[Annie]

Said, I agree this is sad. I can see placement here or WOT, but perhaps we should consider a World issues or opinion forum? Hmmm

 

[Zhukov]

The kind of democracy where everyone has an equal chance of becoming a greedy businessman, if that's what they want.

The kind of democracy that promotes the productiveness and innovativeness of greedy businessmen, because they make everyone's lives more comfortable and easy. Most 'poor' in this country have a house, a car, a TV, a phone. How are the poor faring in socialist dictatorships?

The kind of democracy that encourages individualism and competition, requisite traits of the greedy businessman, because that's how people achieve their dreams.

 

[Avatar4321]

Said, I agree this is sad. I can see placement here or WOT, but perhaps we should consider a World issues or opinion forum? Hmmm

World issues huh? Why not just create a forum for each region. turn France into European United. North Korea into Asian or something like that. oh well im not the one to make suggestions or anything.

As for the topic on hand. Its interesting to see that the Muslim Fundamentalists are now using the same rhetoric the left has been using against the right for the past forty years. Its roots are in communist disdain for the American businessman.

The extreme left may begin to do things that worry me. Especially when Bush wins reelection. I dont know about anyone else but has anyone else noticed that the terrorists and the extreme left have a common enemy? the question is who do the left find as a greater threat, Bush or the terrorists.

 

[Annie]

World issues huh? Why not just create a forum for each region. turn France into European United. North Korea into Asian or something like that. oh well im not the one to make suggestions or anything.

As for the topic on hand. Its interesting to see that the Muslim Fundamentalists are now using the same rhetoric the left has been using against the right for the past forty years. Its roots are in communist disdain for the American businessman.

The extreme left may begin to do things that worry me. Especially when Bush wins reelection. I dont know about anyone else but has anyone else noticed that the terrorists and the extreme left have a common enemy? the question is who do the left find as a greater threat, Bush or the terrorists.

On the forum issues, I will forward the suggestions! Just in case jimnyc doesn't see them.

Interesting Avatar, the rhetoric of our enemies and the extremists of the party out of power, has traditionally been close. (think of some of the far right during Hitler's rise and seizure of power or some Republicans in the early Viet era, compared to later, when we became the 'hawk' party). Now I'm not arguing against your point, just looking at this a bit from a historical POV. I too worry about what is going to happen when Bush is reelected, there are some very angry people out there.

I am beginning to hope there is a possibility for a landslide, which will deflate those that are not by nature extremists, but there is no hope for the MM true believers. That core of believers isn't large enough for any big problem, but if the election is close, I do believe Kerry will drag out the election ala 2000. He won't win, but the failure of closure will cause more problems and possibly a change in the electoral system.

 

[Comrade]

It didn't know what section this should go in, so I put it here. I find the opinions and propaganda expressed in the following article to be very disheartening, and very sad.

http://www.yobserver.com/news/article_1975.html

I must FISK him!

American democracy
By Mohammed Al-Attab
Sep 11, 2004 - Vol . VII Issue 36

Is Muslim tradition now to use Sept. 11 to vent against America? What an assinine thing to do on that day.

What kind of democracy does America want the world to follow? It is a question that all of us, citizens or officials, should answer.

Do we care what you think we think? Do you want to ask us, Mohammed? No, you just want lead with questions now...

Is what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan a kind of democracy or a new kind of colonization being adopted by the USA after the fall of the Soviet Union as a superpower that prevented such unilateral control of the fate of the states of the world?

Wah the USSR is GONE!!! Wah friggin wah. Muslim activists are still killing Russians, though.

But look at yourselves and your tyrants! Get a grip and set up your own Democracies.

The answer is clear and obvious that America is ruled by a minority of businessmen who are not interested in democracy or other principles; they are only interested in how to control the world and its wealth for their own greedy souls.

You mean the JEWS!!! Of course they mean this.

You can clearly see that most American presidents are businessmen or supported by super well-known companies. The American people themselves do not have any will or power to define their interests or to project their true identity to the world.

It’s all because of the mind rays from super well-known companies.

My will is…breaking… identity…. fading….. must vote …. BUSH!

If there is a free American candidate who wants to be president of the USA, he must follow the instructions of companies and powerful persons, otherwise he will not be able to gain control of the most powerful state in the world. After all, only a minority of Americans actually participate in the elections.

And mostly super well-known companies!

If you are working for an American company, your vote is not yours--it is the company’s right, so you should vote for who the owner of the company wants you to vote for.

Pshaaa! What did Saddam tell you that one?

LOL, it’s almost like he thinks American’s are scared the man will find out! Ohhh... I'm gonna get fired by the man for voting Kerry!

Formore American president Bill Clinton said about his election expenses that once he rented an airplane to travel to an American states, and he was given the expenses from an American liquor company, which demanded of him later, during his administration, to reopen its closed factories in Europe.

How dare that unnamed company demand to open in Europe!

When America wanted Turkey to allow its borders with Iraq to be used as a military base, Turkey proved that it is not the kind of democracy that America wants the developing countries to become.

No 8 billion for you Turks! Wahah! Wither and die you fiends!

All your democracy ARE BELONG TO US!!!!

We also can see that most presidents of developing countries once worked in an illegal trade of some sort and made a lot of money through their friendships with powerful American officials.

(Pssst... you want the French)

So what kind of democracy does America want us to follow, when we have our own Islamic teachings promoting the shura, which is the closest thing to democracy, but more truthful?

The one where Muslims don’t attack us, for starters!


My advice for Mohammad is to look up the definition of democracy, and stop bullshitting about how this relates to Sharia.

Sharia is a rule of law based on Fundamentalism totalitarianism. It’s never failed to cultive a sexist, brutal, all-conforming society based on clergy or tyranical rule.

Which is not at all democratic and certainly defunct compared to true Liberal Democracy.

I mean hell, Mohammad is named after the tyrant of an Islamic empire and naturally to him this is a ‘more truthful’ Democracy. The boot licker that he is.

Democracy for Islam will be hard fought and way overdue when it happens in Iraq.

For Mohammad and Yemen government authorities, well their all pleased to use Sept. 11 to rant on America, aren't they? Almost like a cry for help, eh?

 

[Annie]

Nicely done. Poor man doesn't know what democracy is, yet they publish him?

 

[Said1]

World issues huh? Why not just create a forum for each region. turn France into European United. North Korea into Asian or something like that. oh well im not the one to make suggestions or anything.

As for the topic on hand. Its interesting to see that the Muslim Fundamentalists are now using the same rhetoric the left has been using against the right for the past forty years. Its roots are in communist disdain for the American businessman.

The extreme left may begin to do things that worry me. Especially when Bush wins reelection. I dont know about anyone else but has anyone else noticed that the terrorists and the extreme left have a common enemy? the question is who do the left find as a greater threat, Bush or the terrorists.

My purpose in posting the article was not to upset or inform anyone of anything new. I didn't mean to post an run either, I was a little pressed for time.

As avatar says, this jibberish sounds very familiar, and it also appeals to those who belong to the vast liberal left majority here in Canada. I get really upset when I read stuff like that because it does make people angry which only hurst innocent people in the end, and obviously it's a lie.

The article I posted is one of the worst "usable" articles I'm using for a paper I'm working on discussing anit-west propaganda in economically marginalized states of the ME in comparison to Canadian media(or something to that effect, haven't thought of a title yet). I originally wanted to use one of my text books, but my prof had advised against it since the author is a prof within the Geography Dept, which just happen to be what my major is in (had that guy last fall, reall asshole too). Anyway, I hope no one misunderstood my intentions in posting the article, because that was not my intent was not to provoke anyone.

 

[Comrade]

My purpose in posting the article was not to upset or inform anyone of anything new. I didn't mean to post an run either, I was a little pressed for time.

As avatar says, this jibberish sounds very familiar, and it also appeals to those who belong to the vast liberal left majority here in Canada. I get really upset when I read stuff like that because it does make people angry which only hurst innocent people in the end, and obviously it's a lie.

The article I posted is one of the worst "usable" articles I'm using for a paper I'm working on discussing anit-west propaganda in economically marginalized states of the ME in comparison to Canadian media(or something to that effect, haven't thought of a title yet). I originally wanted to use one of my text books, but my prof had advised against it since the author is a prof within the Geography Dept, which just happen to be what my major is in (had that guy last fall, reall asshole too). Anyway, I hope no one misunderstood my intentions in posting the article, because that was not my intent was not to provoke anyone.

Why would otherwise no-nonesense Canadian believe all this kind of junk. If he's a Yemeni and he's an Islamist and he has a diatribe against America on Sept. 11th people in Canada ought to stop fooling themselves and admit they are taking a side. Has Canada passed the Islamic court for Muslims yet? Last I heard it was in the works. Do you they really want that kind of society, and know what they are doing now? Most liberals don't gel with the religious types, Islam or whatnot.

 

[Said1]

Why would otherwise no-nonesense Canadian believe all this kind of junk. If he's a Yemeni and he's an Islamist and he has a diatribe against America on Sept. 11th people in Canada ought to stop fooling themselves and admit they are taking a side.

That is a good question, and I really wish I had an answer for you. I think many Canadians feel America has brought terrorism on themselves. I could go on and on about the evils of American TNC's using less developed nations to exploit resources and ruin natural environments for their own profit, or how forcing democracy is a really a cover up for world domination, but I'm sure you've heard all of that before.

Has Canada passed the Islamic court for Muslims yet? Last I heard it was in the works. Do you they really want that kind of society, and know what they are doing now? Most liberals don't gel with the religious types, Islam or whatnot.

Sharia Law has passed in Ontario, although, at this point in time, I don't think other provinces are seriously considering it. I think law makers here don't think anything can happen by allowing Muslims to practice Sharia Law with regard to family disputes, but it's like Quebec, give an inch.....

 

[Comrade]

That is a good question, and I really wish I had an answer for you. I think many Canadians feel America has brought terrorism on themselves. I could go on and on about the evils of American TNC's using less developed nations to exploit resources and ruin natural environments for their own profit, or how forcing democracy is a really a cover up for world domination, but I'm sure you've heard all of that before.

Oh indeed! I can't say Canadian's are worse than some American like that but I do know people like you exist to provide reason to the madness.

Sharia Law has passed in Ontario, although, at this point in time, I don't think other provinces are seriously considering it. I think law makers here don't think anything can happen by allowing Muslims to practice Sharia Law with regard to family disputes, but it's like Quebec, give an inch.....

I agree. The law is designed to hook into the entire Muslim family, and no doubt few would go outside of the church for their legal affairs. Does their rule on family disputes include wife beating and honor killings and all the freebies in Sharia? Or the 2 girls for 1 guy equality? I heard it was 'voluntary' but the women have to be pressured to drink the koolade because in this court she's half a person.

I wonder if family disputes under Sharia domain includes wife beating or honor killings? I can't imagine Canada would allow that.

 

[Said1]

I agree. The law is designed to hook into the entire Muslim family, and no doubt few would go outside of the church for their legal affairs. Does their rule on family disputes include wife beating and honor killings and all the freebies in Sharia? Or the 2 girls for 1 guy equality? I heard it was 'voluntary' but the women have to be pressured to drink the koolade because in this court she's half a person.

I wonder if family disputes under Sharia domain includes wife beating or honor killings? I can't imagine Canada would allow that.

http://library.lsuc.on.ca/GL/stay_informed_general.htm

The Arbitration Act, 1991 is widely used by a variety of organizations, both secular and religious, to resolve civil disputes. The Act permits religious groups to resolve civil family disputes within their faith, provided that all parties involved consent to the process and the rulings are consistent with Canadian law. Hassidic Jews, for example, have been operating their own Beis Din, a rabbinical court of justice based on Jewish law, for years. Catholics and Ismaili Muslims also use the Act, applying their religious laws to settle disputes.

Marion Boyd's appointment was prompted by media reports that the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice plans to start applying a form of sharia law to disputes within the Muslim community later this year. A number of legal and women's groups have voiced concern that Muslim women might be coerced into participating in sharia tribunals because of family or community pressures. Critics contend that the 1,400-year-old sharia law is flawed because it does not view women as equals. They argue that it cannot provide equal justice to all parties in disputes, particularly those relating to separation, child custody, property division or divorce.

I've never heard of Catholics doing this, unless you count 1000 Hail Mary's for steeling a buck out of your mother's purse. Things are obviously still a little murky. Sharia Law is not consistent with Canadian Law, so why even bother.

 

[Comrade]

I've never heard of Catholics doing this, unless you count 1000 Hail Mary's for steeling a buck out of your mother's purse. Things are obviously still a little murky. Sharia Law is not consistent with Canadian Law, so why even bother.

Catholic Clergy have long used their authority to slide in and out of tight places.

Oh man that's sick. I'm sorry I said that!

 

[Said1]

Catholic Clergy have long used their authority to slide in and out of tight places.

Oh man that's sick. I'm sorry I said that!

Ya that is sick. If you mean using clergy as mediators between families and law enforcement officials, then I guess I agree. Although this isn't the case anymore, and shouldn't be used when arguing for Sharia Law. The clergy no longer has the same influence within communities as it once had - too many pervs I guess. :shrug: