America Is Done Pretending About Meat

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Very nice essay..hit quite a few nails on the head. The gist of it is simple...for most of us, the plant-based diet was more about social compulsion and less about actual desire.

I used the Yahoo link to get around the Atlantic paywall.


A few snippets..it's a longish essay:

Making America healthy again, it seems, starts with a double cheeseburger and fries. Earlier this month, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited a Steak ’n Shake in Florida and shared a meal with Fox News’s Sean Hannity. The setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness, to beef tallow. “People are raving about these french fries,” Kennedy said after eating one, before commending other restaurants that fry with beef tallow: Popeyes, Buffalo Wild Wings, Outback Steakhouse.

To put it another way, if you order fries at Steak ’n Shake, cauliflower wings at Buffalo Wild Wings, or the Bloomin’ Onion at Outback, your food will be cooked in cow fat. For more than a decade, cutting down on meat and other animal products has been idealized as a healthier, more ethical way to eat. Guidelines such as “Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants” may have disproportionately appealed to liberals in big cities, but the meat backlash has been unavoidable across the United States. The Obama administration passed a law to limit meat in school lunches; more recently, meat alternatives such as Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat have flooded grocery-store shelves, and fast-food giants are even serving them up in burgers and nuggets. It all heralded a future that seemed more tempeh than tomahawk steak: “Could this be the beginning of the end of meat?” wrote The New York Times in 2022.

Now the goal of eating less meat has lost its appeal. A convergence of cultural and nutritional shifts, supercharged by the return of the noted hamburger-lover President Donald Trump, has thrust meat back to the center of the American plate. It’s not just MAGA bros and MAHA moms who resist plant-based eating. A wide swath of the U.S. seems to be sending a clear message: Nobody should feel bad about eating meat.
Many people are relieved to hear it. Despite all of the attention on why people should eat less meat—climate change, health, animal welfare—Americans have kept consuming more and more of it. From 2014 to 2024, annual per capita meat consumption rose by nearly 28 pounds, the equivalent of roughly 100 chicken breasts. One way to make sense of this “meat paradox,” as the ethicist Peter Singer branded it in The Atlantic in 2023, is that there is a misalignment between how people want to eat and the way they actually do. The thought of suffering cows releasing methane bombs into the atmosphere pains me, but I love a medium-rare porterhouse.
 
Very nice essay..hit quite a few nails on the head. The gist of it is simple...for most of us, the plant-based diet was more about social compulsion and less about actual desire.

I used the Yahoo link to get around the Atlantic paywall.


A few snippets..it's a longish essay:

Making America healthy again, it seems, starts with a double cheeseburger and fries. Earlier this month, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited a Steak ’n Shake in Florida and shared a meal with Fox News’s Sean Hannity. The setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness, to beef tallow. “People are raving about these french fries,” Kennedy said after eating one, before commending other restaurants that fry with beef tallow: Popeyes, Buffalo Wild Wings, Outback Steakhouse.

To put it another way, if you order fries at Steak ’n Shake, cauliflower wings at Buffalo Wild Wings, or the Bloomin’ Onion at Outback, your food will be cooked in cow fat. For more than a decade, cutting down on meat and other animal products has been idealized as a healthier, more ethical way to eat. Guidelines such as “Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants” may have disproportionately appealed to liberals in big cities, but the meat backlash has been unavoidable across the United States. The Obama administration passed a law to limit meat in school lunches; more recently, meat alternatives such as Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat have flooded grocery-store shelves, and fast-food giants are even serving them up in burgers and nuggets. It all heralded a future that seemed more tempeh than tomahawk steak: “Could this be the beginning of the end of meat?” wrote The New York Times in 2022.


Now the goal of eating less meat has lost its appeal. A convergence of cultural and nutritional shifts, supercharged by the return of the noted hamburger-lover President Donald Trump, has thrust meat back to the center of the American plate. It’s not just MAGA bros and MAHA moms who resist plant-based eating. A wide swath of the U.S. seems to be sending a clear message: Nobody should feel bad about eating meat.
Many people are relieved to hear it. Despite all of the attention on why people should eat less meat—climate change, health, animal welfare—Americans have kept consuming more and more of it. From 2014 to 2024, annual per capita meat consumption rose by nearly 28 pounds, the equivalent of roughly 100 chicken breasts. One way to make sense of this “meat paradox,” as the ethicist Peter Singer branded it in The Atlantic in 2023, is that there is a misalignment between how people want to eat and the way they actually do. The thought of suffering cows releasing methane bombs into the atmosphere pains me, but I love a medium-rare porterhouse.

All we ask is that you eat what you want, and don't tell me I can't make a different choice.
 
Very nice essay..hit quite a few nails on the head. The gist of it is simple...for most of us, the plant-based diet was more about social compulsion and less about actual desire.

I used the Yahoo link to get around the Atlantic paywall.


A few snippets..it's a longish essay:

Making America healthy again, it seems, starts with a double cheeseburger and fries. Earlier this month, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited a Steak ’n Shake in Florida and shared a meal with Fox News’s Sean Hannity. The setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness, to beef tallow. “People are raving about these french fries,” Kennedy said after eating one, before commending other restaurants that fry with beef tallow: Popeyes, Buffalo Wild Wings, Outback Steakhouse.

To put it another way, if you order fries at Steak ’n Shake, cauliflower wings at Buffalo Wild Wings, or the Bloomin’ Onion at Outback, your food will be cooked in cow fat. For more than a decade, cutting down on meat and other animal products has been idealized as a healthier, more ethical way to eat. Guidelines such as “Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants” may have disproportionately appealed to liberals in big cities, but the meat backlash has been unavoidable across the United States. The Obama administration passed a law to limit meat in school lunches; more recently, meat alternatives such as Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat have flooded grocery-store shelves, and fast-food giants are even serving them up in burgers and nuggets. It all heralded a future that seemed more tempeh than tomahawk steak: “Could this be the beginning of the end of meat?” wrote The New York Times in 2022.


Now the goal of eating less meat has lost its appeal. A convergence of cultural and nutritional shifts, supercharged by the return of the noted hamburger-lover President Donald Trump, has thrust meat back to the center of the American plate. It’s not just MAGA bros and MAHA moms who resist plant-based eating. A wide swath of the U.S. seems to be sending a clear message: Nobody should feel bad about eating meat.
Many people are relieved to hear it. Despite all of the attention on why people should eat less meat—climate change, health, animal welfare—Americans have kept consuming more and more of it. From 2014 to 2024, annual per capita meat consumption rose by nearly 28 pounds, the equivalent of roughly 100 chicken breasts. One way to make sense of this “meat paradox,” as the ethicist Peter Singer branded it in The Atlantic in 2023, is that there is a misalignment between how people want to eat and the way they actually do. The thought of suffering cows releasing methane bombs into the atmosphere pains me, but I love a medium-rare porterhouse.
If you live long enough, you see these things come and go. When I was young and poor in the 70s, I was thankful that they had soy fillers in burger. Not because it was healthier or more environmentally responsible--but because it was only 49 cents a pound and I could eat something that resembled burger. Times and conditions changed and I welcomed the return of meat. LOL, I don't remember the last time I saw fresh burger that had soy in it and I can't be bothered with these burger substitutes. I'm with you, I'll take a medium rare filet--my days of making a dent in a porterhouse are long gone. LOL
 
I always enjoy ther continuted attempt to brainwasht the people with silly phrases like, " falsely claims causes illness"

The claim is not false, nor is it wrong. Seed oils are a huge health issue.
Correct! The subliminal editorializing in the national news reports is tantamount to propaganda. I listened for Lester Holt to identify sources last night and was amazed at the lack of attribution in his reports. I had to laugh when he said "the pentagon said" LMAO, when has a building ever said anything? How about something like "according to Maj. Minor, commander of allied fast food producers?" Someone that can actually be held accountable for statements.
 
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I don't know how true that article is.

While I agree that MOST people are extremely stubborn when it comes to what they eat and would rather die than give up eating corpses...

...at the same, I think there is evidence that the overall trend is that veganism (and eating plantbased, which is different than veganism) is growing, slowly but surely.

And I for one can't wait for the day that people stop exploiting, terrorizing and murdering animals.
 
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If you live long enough, you see these things come and go. When I was young and poor in the 70s, I was thankful that they had soy fillers in burger. Not because it was healthier or more environmentally responsible--but because it was only 49 cents a pound and I could eat something that resembled burger. Times and conditions changed and I welcomed the return of meat. LOL, I don't remember the last time I saw fresh burger that had soy in it and I can't be bothered with these burger substitutes. I'm with you, I'll take a medium rare filet--my days of making a dent in a porterhouse are long gone. LOL
The only beef I eat now are in my carne asada burrito or an occasional ribeye at Texas Roadhouse. You can't know what they grind up into hamburger meat and you can be sure some of it is straight up nasty stuff.
 
You’re gonna wait a very long time. I rarely eat any meal that doesn’t have some amount of meat in it, whether it’s beef, chicken, pork, fish, etc…

I already clearly stated that I know full well most people are extremely stubborn when it comes to what they eat.

I used to be that way too. I've mentioned this many times before, but I specifically remember stating out loud "I will NEVER be a vegan or vegetarian." Yet here I am. lol. :dunno: There are millions of people with that same exact experience.
 
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I don't know how true that article is.

While I agree that MOST people are extremely stubborn when it comes to food and would rather die than give up eating corpses...

...at the same, I think there is evidence that the overall trend is that veganism (and eating plantbased, which is different than veganism) is growing, slowly but surely.

And I for one can't wait for the day that people stop exploiting, terrorizing and murdering animals.
Where do you get off trying to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't eat. If you want to eat bean curd, more power to you, IDGAF. It is the height of arrogance for you to think that you somehow have the right to tell me what I can consume.
 
The only beef I eat now are in my carne asada burrito or an occasional ribeye at Texas Roadhouse. You can't know what they grind up into hamburger meat and you can be sure some of it is straight up nasty stuff.
True, but that can be said for any processed food. You would be surprised to see the conditions that packaged salads are produced under.
 
Where do you get off trying to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't eat. If you want to eat bean curd, more power to you, IDGAF. It is the height of arrogance for you to think that you somehow have the right to tell me what I can consume.

Please point out where I told you what to eat.

I'll wait.
 
I don't know how true that article is.

While I agree that MOST people are extremely stubborn when it comes to food and would rather die than give up eating corpses...

...at the same, I think there is evidence that the overall trend is that veganism (and eating plantbased, which is different than veganism) is growing, slowly but surely.

And I for one can't wait for the day that people stop exploiting, terrorizing and murdering animals.
Give me an Angus NY steak, cooked medium. My wife will have hers rare and bloody.
 
I don't know how true that article is.

While I agree that MOST people are extremely stubborn when it comes to what they eat and would rather die than give up eating corpses...

...at the same, I think there is evidence that the overall trend is that veganism (and eating plantbased, which is different than veganism) is growing, slowly but surely.

And I for one can't wait for the day that people stop exploiting, terrorizing and murdering animals.
Mind your own business, God did not consider it murder!
 
Where do you get off trying to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't eat. If you want to eat bean curd, more power to you, IDGAF. It is the height of arrogance for you to think that you somehow have the right to tell me what I can consume.
Or that eating plants makes you morally superior, plants are living!
 
Very nice essay..hit quite a few nails on the head. The gist of it is simple...for most of us, the plant-based diet was more about social compulsion and less about actual desire.

I used the Yahoo link to get around the Atlantic paywall.


A few snippets..it's a longish essay:

Making America healthy again, it seems, starts with a double cheeseburger and fries. Earlier this month, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited a Steak ’n Shake in Florida and shared a meal with Fox News’s Sean Hannity. The setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness, to beef tallow. “People are raving about these french fries,” Kennedy said after eating one, before commending other restaurants that fry with beef tallow: Popeyes, Buffalo Wild Wings, Outback Steakhouse.

To put it another way, if you order fries at Steak ’n Shake, cauliflower wings at Buffalo Wild Wings, or the Bloomin’ Onion at Outback, your food will be cooked in cow fat. For more than a decade, cutting down on meat and other animal products has been idealized as a healthier, more ethical way to eat. Guidelines such as “Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants” may have disproportionately appealed to liberals in big cities, but the meat backlash has been unavoidable across the United States. The Obama administration passed a law to limit meat in school lunches; more recently, meat alternatives such as Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat have flooded grocery-store shelves, and fast-food giants are even serving them up in burgers and nuggets. It all heralded a future that seemed more tempeh than tomahawk steak: “Could this be the beginning of the end of meat?” wrote The New York Times in 2022.


Now the goal of eating less meat has lost its appeal. A convergence of cultural and nutritional shifts, supercharged by the return of the noted hamburger-lover President Donald Trump, has thrust meat back to the center of the American plate. It’s not just MAGA bros and MAHA moms who resist plant-based eating. A wide swath of the U.S. seems to be sending a clear message: Nobody should feel bad about eating meat.
Many people are relieved to hear it. Despite all of the attention on why people should eat less meat—climate change, health, animal welfare—Americans have kept consuming more and more of it. From 2014 to 2024, annual per capita meat consumption rose by nearly 28 pounds, the equivalent of roughly 100 chicken breasts. One way to make sense of this “meat paradox,” as the ethicist Peter Singer branded it in The Atlantic in 2023, is that there is a misalignment between how people want to eat and the way they actually do. The thought of suffering cows releasing methane bombs into the atmosphere pains me, but I love a medium-rare porterhouse.
Fake news.
I always enjoy ther continuted attempt to brainwasht the people with silly phrases like, " falsely claims causes illness"

The claim is not false, nor is it wrong. Seed oils are a huge health issue.
Yeah, I turned off right after that. No deal, buddy. That's a lie.
 

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