America Founded as a Christian Nation

[ding]

Jesus followed no man's lead.

Yet, Christianity and christians demand that Individuals follow a teaching, believed to be, from a higher power- how is that compatible with Liberty? And before you go off on a tangent, keep in mind "I get it", in reference to Liberty.

You do realize religion is voluntary, right?

No one forces anyone to believe anything.

 

[Gdjjr]

No one forces anyone to believe anything.

Coercion is just soft force using the threat of more serious consequences if not adhered to.

 

[Penelope]

True! If non Whites were involved with slavery that meant it was Good, Moral and Jesus Approved that White Christians get involved with Slavery.

More dumbassery. You should sue your brains for non-support... presuming you have any left. See post # 56 and then you can get off this thread. You're afraid to talk about the OP. So you want to harp on an issue you've been programmed, Pavlovian style, to talk about when you don't know squat about it.

Jesus followed no man's lead. The colonists who rebelled got rid of slavery. What part of that don't you understand? It's just not a biblical issue.

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

 

[ding]

No one forces anyone to believe anything.

Coercion is just soft force using the threat of more serious consequences if not adhered to.

What more serious consequences would that be exactly?

In secular society if you don’t toe the line, men come and forcefully grab you and put you in jail. Anything like that?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Liberty is an unalienable Right and applies to all men. Citizenship is a privilege. It appears to me that all sides forget that and conflate the two.

Again, I don't want to hi jack your thread but I started this thread
A new, ethical, church proposal
to specifically address that all men are created equal and have certain unalienable rights and it appears some christians took
offense- I guess I shouldn't have used the word church- LOL

I was trying to take this thread to a point, but nobody's actually interested. They first want to deny that the founders / framers were Christians and America was founded as a Christian nation, then they admit it... then they accuse everyone of trying to create a theocracy (which we've never had NOR are we going to unless you live to see the return of Jesus himself.)

We were founded as a Christian nation. That did not mean we had a theocracy and I've given the best examples via links t explain what that means. Today's churches are not the same thing as what existed - even 50 or so years ago. Yes, it's true. The people of today calling themselves "Christian" mock God and do their own thing, but our basic sense of right and wrong has not changed so dramatically that one cannot see the foundational principles upon which the Republic rests.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Due to popular request I am starting a thread covering the fact that America was begun as a Christian nation.

There were Christians involved in the founding and revolt against the King,

How many currently immersed and obsessed with Christianity today would have appreciated one if the greatest minds of all the founders declaring that the Christian Bible is full of political dung. Nice word for bullshit.

• Jefferson was most comfortable with Deism, rational religion, and Unitarianism.[3] He was sympathetic to and in general agreement with the moral precepts of Christianity.[4] He considered the teachings of Jesus as having "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man,"[5] yet he held that the pure teachings of Jesus appeared to have been appropriated by some of Jesus' early followers, resulting in a Bible that contained both "diamonds" of wisdom and the "dung" of ancient political agendas.[6]. Religious views of Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia

You certainly made no point there except for one of ignorance regarding any knowledge of the Bible. Had you read the thread, I proved you wrong about Jefferson as well. Ignorance is bliss, brother and you seem to enjoy it.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

In 1630, John Winthrop delivered a sermon aboard the Arbella as it sailed toward the New World.

John Winthrop was a settler not a founder. Jefferson was a founder and Jefferson was a Diest not a Christian.

I never claimed Winthrop was anything. Jefferson was a Christian - just not a mainstream Christian. This is from the source you quoted, but omitted the link:

"He was a Christian deist because he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher."

You like to dabble in half truths in order to cover up your ignorance. I'm a little more educated than that.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

More dumbassery. You should sue your brains for non-support... presuming you have any left. See post # 56 and then you can get off this thread. You're afraid to talk about the OP. So you want to harp on an issue you've been programmed, Pavlovian style, to talk about when you don't know squat about it.

Jesus followed no man's lead. The colonists who rebelled got rid of slavery. What part of that don't you understand? It's just not a biblical issue.

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.

You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?

 

[Penelope]

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.

You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?

Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?

I know who Porter Rockwell was.

 

[rightwinger]

America was founded as a non religious nation

Our founders made sure of that

 

[Porter Rockwell]

AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION

This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56

After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.

In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.

The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.

People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.

America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.

Common law - The feudal land law

There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.

The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.

 

[rightwinger]

America is a nation comprised mostly of Christians

We are NOT a Christian nation

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.

You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?

Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?

I know who Porter Rockwell was.

Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.

Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.

I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

America is a nation comprised mostly of Christians

We are NOT a Christian nation

This is the kind of typical dumbassery that I find personally offensive. A crackpot joins the discussion to make a point that has already been refuted, but he's too stupid to read the thread and get caught up to speed. THAT was an example of why these boards don't work very well.

Yes, America IS a Christian nation and we've proven it. At the beginning of each of my relevant posts to prove it I am telling posters which posts I have that follow the general narrative. That way, even with idiocy like you just posted, people can find the facts IF they are so inclined.

Other than that, I can't fix stupid.

 

[Penelope]

AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION

This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56

After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.

In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.

The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.

People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.

America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.

Common law - The feudal land law

There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.

The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.

You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?

Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?

I know who Porter Rockwell was.

Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.

Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.

I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.

Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)

 

[Porter Rockwell]

AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION

This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56

After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.

In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.

The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.

People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.

America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.

Common law - The feudal land law

There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.

The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.

You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?

Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?

I know who Porter Rockwell was.

Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.

Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.

I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.

Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)

You have not been able to refute one, single, solitary sentence I've written so if being an ass, making that kind of claim makes you think you'll feel good, have at it. We both realize that the one thing I am not is a zealot.

I want to be going in the direction this country was moving when we led the world by every metric.

 

[james bond]

America is a nation comprised mostly of Christians

We are NOT a Christian nation

And we are one of the leaders in world with nuclear weapons, if not #1, in order to keep the peace and prevent world wars. God recommended his armies were well armed.

We were certainly formed by Christian thought. Surely, the history, culture, language, and lifestyle of the nation reflects Christianity. You'd have be ignorant to believe otherwise.

Is it the same today though? No, it isn't. This is why we have to encourage the leftists and atheists to move to Canada and Mexico.

 

[Lysistrata]

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.

You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?

Those to whom you refer as "our forefathers" were Puritans, Quakers, Episcopalians, Catholics, Baptists, Calvinists, and those of some other Christian denominations who were all fleeing "the tyranny of King George," so I don't know how you would create another denomination that incorporates all of their teachings, as many are the opposite of each other and some even killed each other, even if such an endeavor would constitute a worthy cause.

I also do not understand what some declaration that the United States was founded as a Christian nation would accomplish. What happened 200-300 years ago is irrelevant to the nation we live in today. The people who were involved, and all the rest who were deliberately denied a public role in it, have been dead for a long time.

 

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More dumbassery. You should sue your brains for non-support... presuming you have any left. See post # 56 and then you can get off this thread. You're afraid to talk about the OP. So you want to harp on an issue you've been programmed, Pavlovian style, to talk about when you don't know squat about it.

Jesus followed no man's lead. The colonists who rebelled got rid of slavery. What part of that don't you understand? It's just not a biblical issue.

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.

He is a Mormon? That explains it. Nothing to see here except the circus elephants folding up the tents.

 

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But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. --- Matthew 5:32

Any nation where divorce is legal defies the very words of Our Savior ... I'm not sure we can properly call such a "Christian Nation" ... and look at some 19th Century advertising copy, and the scantly clad women, this wouldn't be allowed in a Christian nation ...

We were a nation founded by Christians ... and Christians of many different types and doctrines ... thus the choice was made to form a secular government, one prohibited from recognizing any one Christian Church, or any church of any kind ... thus today we don't legislate morality, only behavior ... we are free to worship whatever we wish to, and we can peaceably talk about our personal worship ... we are a nation of all religions ...

I wouldn't look twice at a Catholic Church and Islamic Mosque sharing a parking lot here ... pretty much a routine experience in the USA ... try that in 18th Century England ha ha ha ha ha ...