Alleged plot to assasinate Obama foiled

[AllieBaba]

The cops themselves have said that anything they said about a plot should be looked at critically, since it was one tweaked nutbag fingering another.

It's just more hysterical ranting by the left, trying to villify the right. They're despicable.

 

[Reality]

Non-sequitur. But I'll grant you the honorable retreat you're obviously seeking. I'm cool like that

Hey, condescending prick, socialism and nationalism are competing principles. There was little socialist about the Nazi regime, it was purely nationalist. Nice try at pretending you know what you are talking about.

 

[editec]

Maybe you should learn a little history and read up on the Nazi party... which indeed was nationalized socialism.... with a ruling elite... something that is necessary in that social scheme

I need to learn a little history?

That's amusing. You have no idea how much history I'd have to forget to end up with only a little history rattling around in my head.

Look sport, I am terribly sorry that you find it inconvenient that poltical science has words that have specific meanings.

Nevertheless it does.

Socialism is the political system whereby the government owns the means of production.

Now, I have absolutely no doubt that Hitler called his form of Fascist socialist.

But the means of production in Germany during WWII was strictly in private hands.

Ergo, that nation at that time, was a particuarly vile form of a capitalism, (because much of it was done with slave labor) that was conducted under an authoritiarian dictatorship.

None of the above statements is really a debateable issue.

The history is all there for you to read or ignore as the mood suits you.

 

[jillian]

More stupidity...

Kirk, it's obvious that your IQ isn't very high, so I'll spell this out in terms even a moron such as yourself can understand:

1. One of them was wearing a ring with a swastika.

2. Swastika = emblem of Nazi party.

3. Nazism = national socialism.

4. Kirk = pw0n3d.

Anything else?

National socialism is not socialism as you try to make it... they were RIGHT WING... because they were FASCISTS. And you know that, which means you're just playing with his head.


Ninja = spanked.

 

[DiamondDave]

I need to learn a little history?

That's amusing. You have no idea how much history I'd have to forget to end up with only a little history rattling around in my head.

Look sport, I am terribly sorry that you find it inconvenient that poltical science has words that have specific meanings.

Nevertheless it does.

Socialism is the political system whereby the government owns the means of production.

Now, I have absolutely no doubt that Hitler called his form of Fascist socialist.

But the means of production in Germany during WWII was strictly in private hands.

Ergo, that nation at that time, was a particuarly vile form of a capitalism, (because much of it was done with slave labor) that was conducted under an authoritiarian dictatorship.

None of the above statements is really a debateable issue.

The history is all there for you to read or ignore as the mood suits you.

Nah.... the Nazis did not incorporate collectivism outside of the ruling elite

As stated so many times... socialism, including the nazi form of national socialism, needs and incorporates a ruling elite that hold privilege while forcing the controls of socialism on the rest of society.... and yes, the ruling elite will still in many cases have ownership and extreme influence within the needed businesses in a socialist regime.... for socialism is not about equality, it is yet another way to derive power

reality is there for you to ignore as well

 

[jillian]

Maybe you should learn a little history and read up on the Nazi party... which indeed was nationalized socialism.... with a ruling elite... something that is necessary in that social scheme

Quite a fabrication there, DD... Nazi Germany was a FASCIST state... which is right wing.. .hence the friendship with Mussolini's Italy and enmity with the Communists in Russia.

I'd suggest a "little" history might be good for you, though more would be better.

As Editec said, you might want to ask the Krup family or the folk at VW and I.G. Farben who owned their means of production.

 

[DiamondDave]

Quite a fabrication there, DD... Nazi Germany was a FASCIST state... which is right wing.. .hence the friendship with Mussolini's Italy and enmity with the Communists in Russia.

I'd suggest a "little" history might be good for you, though more would be better.

As Editec said, you might want to ask the Krup family or the folk at VW and I.G. Farben who owned their means of production.

Ummm.... Fascism is more closely affiliated with the concept of totalitarian authoritarianism than being on either the right or the left

though lefties like yourself absolutely LOVE to try and associate being on the right with being a nazi

 

[AllieBaba]

Hmmm...nice spin, but the "right wing" of Nazi German and the "right wing" of the US are two different things, as anyone but a lefty die-hard propogandist knows.


"Drexler proposed that the party be named the German-Socialist Workers Party, but Harrer objected to using the term "socialist" in the name, the issue was settled by removing the term from the name, and it was agreed that the party was named the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, DAP).[8] To ease concerns among potential right-wing nationalist supporters, Drexler made clear that unlike Marxists, the party supported middle-class citizens, and that the party's socialist policy was meant to give social welfare to German citizens deemed part of the Aryan race.

They became one of many völkisch movements that existed in Germany at the time. Like other völkisch groups, the DAP advocated the belief that Germany should become a unified "national community" (Volksgemeinschaft) rather than a society divided along class and party lines. This ideology was explicitly anti-Semitic as it declared that the "national community" must be judenfrei ("free of Jews")."

(Sound familiar? Listen to the rants against Christians and/or evangelists and it will).

"On 24 February 1920, the party added "National Socialist" to its official name, becoming the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the "Social Revolutionary Party"; it was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to follow the NSDAP naming.[11]"

Don't let schills like Jill and other lefties try to convince you the Nazi's were anything like the American right wing. They resemble, in policy and method, liberal democrats more than any other party on the face of the earth. They are both elite (as in a few) who have complete belief in their own ability and right to control the masses "for their own good" and who have no compassion or tolerance for any but their own agenda. They do not believe in individual freedom, and will stop at nothing to defeat it.

As you can see, when you watch the outrageous lies that are told on this board about Christians and Republicans alike.

Text from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_German_Workers_Party

 

[AllieBaba]

Another parallel...socialists always object to being called socialists. They lie about it, then when they take power, they openly embrace it.
Nice.

Also note, because the right wing objected to socialism, they decided not to use the term in their party name...but once they took power, they went ahead and showed their true colors.

So I guess the right wing was actually opposed to the socialist party that was the Nazi party, and in order to gain any sort of support at all, the socialists had to lie about what they really were. Which is pretty much well known, and why so many people were fooled by the Nazis initially. They lied when they said they weren't socialists. That's the only way they could get any support at all.

 

[Ravi]

Another parallel...socialists always object to being called socialists. They lie about it, then when they take power, they openly embrace it.
Nice.

Untrue. Socialists have no problem being called socialists. You just don't happen to know any of them. Well, maybe Midcan.

But don't let a poor lie keep you down.

 

[jillian]

Ummm.... Fascism is more closely affiliated with the concept of totalitarian authoritarianism than being on either the right or the left

though lefties like yourself absolutely LOVE to try and associate being on the right with being a nazi

The radical extremes of the left are communist. I'd say more that "righties" like to pretend to dissassociate themselves with the rabid extremes of their ideology. Authoritarianism or Totalitarianism is an offshoot of both extremes and, in that regard, the two form more of a circle than being left or right.

communism is an ECONOMIC construct which, in theory, if not in practice, should allow for the state to erode into non-existence. In Fascism, the corporation has government doing its bidding... but the ownership is not by the state.

Again, go back to the books, kiddo.

 

[AllieBaba]

Untrue. Socialists have no problem being called socialists. You just don't happen to know any of them. Well, maybe Midcan.

But don't let a poor lie keep you down.

Really? Tell that to the Nazis. Look at the other thread where it's being discussed. They voted to take the term "socialist" out of their party name for fear of offending the right wingers who wanted nothing to do with it.

They re-inserted it after they obtained power.

Or read Jillian's propogandist smarm. She gets downright uptight when you dare to call Nazi's socialists...I wonder why?

Why do you think Obama was so anti-liberal-label? Because although he knows and everyone knows he's a liberal, and a far, far left liberal (in other words, a socialist) he knows the tide of feeling is always against socialism. So he, like every other socialist/communist despot EVER hides behind feel-good rhetoric about the "working man" and how we must bring down the rich to build up the poor and garbage such as that. But don't call him a LIBERAL or a SOCIALIST, for pete's sakes....

 

[Ninja]

National socialism is not socialism as you try to make it... they were RIGHT WING... because they were FASCISTS. And you know that, which means you're just playing with his head.


Ninja = spanked.

 

[DiamondDave]

The radical extremes of the left are communist. I'd say more that "righties" like to pretend to dissassociate themselves with the rabid extremes of their ideology. Authoritarianism or Totalitarianism is an offshoot of both extremes and, in that regard, the two form more of a circle than being left or right.

communism is an ECONOMIC construct which, in theory, if not in practice, should allow for the state to erode into non-existence. In Fascism, the corporation has government doing its bidding... but the ownership is not by the state.

Again, go back to the books, kiddo.

Again... another feeble ploy to try and associate being on the 'right' with being more like the nazis

The radical extremes of the left INCLUDE communism... but do not forget socialism is there too... and when you add the extreme of fascism, or totalitarian authority to a ruling elite using a socialist ploy to control mases of people swept up with the 'socialist ideal'... you indeed get how the nazis had power... even if they did not have the 'liberal' or 'left' mantra of "everything is ok if you feel it is ok", it does not mean that nazis were any less associated with nationalized socialism with a ruling elite

 

[jillian]

Again... another feeble ploy to try and associate being on the 'right' with being more like the nazis

The radical extremes of the left INCLUDE communism... but do not forget socialism is there too... and when you add the extreme of fascism, or totalitarian authority to a ruling elite using a socialist ploy to control mases of people swept up with the 'socialist ideal'... you indeed get how the nazis had power... even if they did not have the 'liberal' or 'left' mantra of "everything is ok if you feel it is ok", it does not mean that nazis were any less associated with nationalized socialism with a ruling elite

Sorry DD, I tried to explain the reality to you as respectfully as I could. But there are actual meanings to these words. Political scientists study those concepts and use those words to define their terms. You can't change their meaning simply because you choose to.

 

[DiamondDave]

Sorry DD, I tried to explain the reality to you as respectfully as I could. But there are actual meanings to these words. Political scientists study those concepts and use those words to define their terms. You can't change their meaning simply because you choose to.

Sorry jillian.. that you blindly choose to ignore reality... because it offends you that you support many socialist ideals

Maybe you should actually understand what happens and has happened in totalitarian socialist regimes.... and like the Russians of the USSR, while being called communist, were more like the totalitarian fascist nazis than they would have cared to admit...

you can't change reality jillian... nazis did use the power and ploy of a socialist ideal to gain and maintain their power....

I am not saying that nazis are 'just like' our lefty liberals who also call for many socialist ideals and a more socialist system... just that nazis were indeed closely tied into the control of socialism as well

 

[AllieBaba]

Good grief, they called themselves socialists from the beginning. But hey, I'm sure Jillian knows they didn't really mean it.

 

[Chris]

Another parallel...socialists always object to being called socialists. They lie about it, then when they take power, they openly embrace it.
Nice.

Also note, because the right wing objected to socialism, they decided not to use the term in their party name...but once they took power, they went ahead and showed their true colors.

So I guess the right wing was actually opposed to the socialist party that was the Nazi party, and in order to gain any sort of support at all, the socialists had to lie about what they really were. Which is pretty much well known, and why so many people were fooled by the Nazis initially. They lied when they said they weren't socialists. That's the only way they could get any support at all.

No, you are the liar.

The Nazis were flag waving NATIONALISTS who invaded other countries that were not a threat to them, suspended civil rights, set up prison camps, and tortured people.

Sound familiar?

 

[AllieBaba]

Yeah, it sounds exactly like what Stalin, Pol Pot and countless other commies have done.

 

[AllieBaba]

Though I do recognize that Hitler himself wanted da money...he wasn't really opposed to re-distributing it to everyone, just himself and his best buddies.

But that's one of the lies of commies, too. They say they want equality for everyone, but really, they just want the masses subdued to they can enjoy unfettered power.