All you need to do is show Dershowitz in 1998 to quiet him

[BS Filter]

why would he want to subpoena Obama ?? the point i was making is the majority dems in the house had total control over the articles to impeach the president and now and now the senate has total power over the trial ! dems dont get to control or dictate the senate trial because they are not the majority ! republicans should be just as partisan and one sided in the senate as the dems were in the house .

We will see how this all plays out. If McConnell prevails there will be no trial. Even if the Chief Justice decides that Witnesses are to be called, and documents requested from the White House must be delivered, the Senate Majority can vote to overrule him.

I expect this to happen, trump will not be acquitted or found guilty as no trial will take place.

But be assured no one will be fooled who is not already a fool, that trump has obstructed justice and has abused the power of the presidency.

Chief justice can't decide anything.

A read of Art I, sec. 3, clause 6: "When the President of The United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside".

Once again, this needs to be parsed as are many parts of COTUS. However, preside is defined as to be in the position of authority in a meeting or other gathering.

Yet the Senate can override any ruling by Roberts with 51 votes.

Yep, and each Senator will be judged by their vote.

Democrats should worry about the shellacking they're gonna get this November.

 

[Rye Catcher]

If they wanted to I'd cheer. But I'd be very surprised if McConnell would be that dumb to subpoena Pres. Obama.

why would he want to subpoena Obama ?? the point i was making is the majority dems in the house had total control over the articles to impeach the president and now and now the senate has total power over the trial ! dems dont get to control or dictate the senate trial because they are not the majority ! republicans should be just as partisan and one sided in the senate as the dems were in the house .

We will see how this all plays out. If McConnell prevails there will be no trial. Even if the Chief Justice decides that Witnesses are to be called, and documents requested from the White House must be delivered, the Senate Majority can vote to overrule him.

I expect this to happen, trump will not be acquitted or found guilty as no trial will take place.

But be assured no one will be fooled who is not already a fool, that trump has obstructed justice and has abused the power of the presidency.

Chief justice can't decide anything.

A read of Art I, sec. 3, clause 6: "When the President of The United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside".

Once again, this needs to be parsed as are many parts of COTUS. However, preside is defined as to be in the position of authority in a meeting or other gathering.

he presides, he isn't a judge. He replaces the VP as presiding officer. He can't say shit unless asked to provide clarification.

He isn't a Judge? That is not what is stated in Art I. As noted, the Senate can overrule him and that will become something each Senator will have to live with.

 

[Faun]

Yes, it does. Not my job to hold the hand of single digit IQ morons who can't navigate a link.

Which one is your favorite flavor?

LOLOL

Nope. Nothing in there is the opposite of what he says today. As always, you prove to be an abject idiot.

Have fun down your rabbit hole, Crayon muncher.

Pack a lunch............

LOLOL

It's hysterical how you project getting owned by being utterly incapable of quoting Schumer changing his position. Almost as much fun as it is watching you try to bluff your way out of the corner you painted yourself into by insisting it's in that letter, all I have to do is find it.



Here, lemme show you what proving a 180 really looks like...

Dershowitz then...

"It certainly doesn't have to be a crime. If you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty, you don't need a technical crime."​

Dershowitz now...

"I will be paraphrasing the successful argument made by Justice Benjamin Curtis in the trial of Andrew Johnson back in the 1860's where he argued that the Framer's intended for impeachable conduct only to be criminal like conduct or conduct that is prohibited by the criminal law."​

here, to help you. I took you off ignore to do this one post. useless as ever and confirms why you are on ignore.


31 second mark. ready go.

First of all, none of that is in the letter dumbfuck linked. Secondly, Schumer said...

"This is not a criminal trial, but this is something the founding fathers decided to put in a body that was susceptible to the whims of politics.

...

Also it's not like a jury box in the sense that people will call us and lobby us. You don't have jurors called and lobbied and things like that. I mean, it's quite different than a jury."​

Quote him saying the opposite of that....

<crickets>

 

[yidnar]

Dershowitz on one side and Schumer on the other...all of them are full of shit but you wingnuts from both sides pretend it is just the other side



1999 letter by Schumer comes back to bite him in the ass.

I've read that letter twice now. Put up the portions that you find are inconsistent with Schumer's stance today, please, and explain the inconsistency.

Schumer's position is nothing like Dershowitz's flip flop.

Agreed. Cryin' Chucky did a complete 180 based solely on the party involved. He is a hack.

Great, let's see you quote this imaginary 180...

Here ya go.........always happy to educate the ignorant, and you certainly qualify.

1999 letter by Schumer comes back to bite him in the ass.

the vile hag should spend more time scooping up the turds littering the sidewalks in her district .at least then she would be doing something constructive.

 

[jc456]

why would he want to subpoena Obama ?? the point i was making is the majority dems in the house had total control over the articles to impeach the president and now and now the senate has total power over the trial ! dems dont get to control or dictate the senate trial because they are not the majority ! republicans should be just as partisan and one sided in the senate as the dems were in the house .

We will see how this all plays out. If McConnell prevails there will be no trial. Even if the Chief Justice decides that Witnesses are to be called, and documents requested from the White House must be delivered, the Senate Majority can vote to overrule him.

I expect this to happen, trump will not be acquitted or found guilty as no trial will take place.

But be assured no one will be fooled who is not already a fool, that trump has obstructed justice and has abused the power of the presidency.

Chief justice can't decide anything.

A read of Art I, sec. 3, clause 6: "When the President of The United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside".

Once again, this needs to be parsed as are many parts of COTUS. However, preside is defined as to be in the position of authority in a meeting or other gathering.

he presides, he isn't a judge. He replaces the VP as presiding officer. He can't say shit unless asked to provide clarification.

He isn't a Judge? That is not what is stated in Art I. As noted, the Senate can overrule him and that will become something each Senator will have to live with.

I gave you his role. you should have read it.

 

[yidnar]

Withholding aid to Ukraine is a crime as is attempting to blackmail the Ukrainian government for personal political gain. Obstruction of Justice by obstructing a Congressional investigation is also a crime.

The idea that Trump committed no crimes is a joke.

withholding aid is a crime? cite the statute.

Name the crime in the articles?

The GAO issued a report stating that it was a crime.

who are they? it was an opinion. still waiting for the criminal statute.

If you think I'm going to waste my time looking up legal statutes you stupider than even i thought.

If you don't believe the GAO or that obstruction of justice is not a crime, your even stupider than that!

I have better things to do than argue with an idiot.

the fact you believe it is all anyone needs. too fking funny. The GAO works for the House. too fking funny. They said it was an opinion. The fact you don't wish to waste your time is my evidence you got nothing as usual. Point, counter point. No such thing as Point and fk you to the rest. Not in our country. but you're too fking lazy to look that up too I bet.

no matter what the idiot thinks or hopes Trump will still be in office after the trial.

 

[Leo123]

Just min 5.18-5.38, to quiet him up.

a mere 20 sec video. oh the hypocrisy.

It’s 2019 now. Different time different impeachment. Wake up Penny!

 

[yidnar]

What’s your point ? Trump hasn’t abused anything.. he was taking about abuse Joe Biden’s Brother Bagged $54,000,000 in Taxpayer Loans

This is not about Joe Biden or his brother, we are having a trial on tramps impeachment, because he was impeached by the House.

the senate has the power to call whoever they want !! they could subpoena Obama if they want to .

If they wanted to I'd cheer. But I'd be very surprised if McConnell would be that dumb to subpoena Pres. Obama.

why would he want to subpoena Obama ?? the point i was making is the majority dems in the house had total control over the articles to impeach the president and now and now the senate has total power over the trial ! dems dont get to control or dictate the senate trial because they are not the majority ! republicans should be just as partisan and one sided in the senate as the dems were in the house .

We will see how this all plays out. If McConnell prevails there will be no trial. Even if the Chief Justice decides that Witnesses are to be called, and documents requested from the White House must be delivered, the Senate Majority can vote to overrule him.

I expect this to happen, trump will not be acquitted or found guilty as no trial will take place.

But be assured no one will be fooled who is not already a fool, that trump has obstructed justice and has abused the power of the presidency.

aaaaand meanwhile the economy keeps rolling along and the ISIS caliphate is GONE !

 

[yidnar]

What’s your point ? Trump hasn’t abused anything.. he was taking about abuse Joe Biden’s Brother Bagged $54,000,000 in Taxpayer Loans

This is not about Joe Biden or his brother, we are having a trial on tramps impeachment, because he was impeached by the House.

Most certainly is about Joe Biden. The phone call was about Biden. If Biden is corrupt, then the President was justified in holding the money.

LOL

Now if you could only prove Biden was corrupt.

 

[yidnar]

We will see how this all plays out. If McConnell prevails there will be no trial. Even if the Chief Justice decides that Witnesses are to be called, and documents requested from the White House must be delivered, the Senate Majority can vote to overrule him.

I expect this to happen, trump will not be acquitted or found guilty as no trial will take place.

But be assured no one will be fooled who is not already a fool, that trump has obstructed justice and has abused the power of the presidency.

Chief justice can't decide anything.

A read of Art I, sec. 3, clause 6: "When the President of The United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside".

Once again, this needs to be parsed as are many parts of COTUS. However, preside is defined as to be in the position of authority in a meeting or other gathering.

Yet the Senate can override any ruling by Roberts with 51 votes.

Yep, and each Senator will be judged by their vote.

Democrats should worry about the shellacking they're gonna get this November.

ooohhhhh they are ! thats what this impeachment sham is all about !

 

[BS Filter]

Fun to watch Democrats whine and cry.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Just for the dumbass Trumpbots on this thread:

Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 - Wikipedia

Are you all getting stupider or more desperate?

Probably both!

 

[Leo123]

What’s your point ? Trump hasn’t abused anything.. he was taking about abuse Joe Biden’s Brother Bagged $54,000,000 in Taxpayer Loans

This is not about Joe Biden or his brother, we are having a trial on tramps impeachment, because he was impeached by the House.

Actually you have to an idiot to believe it’s not about Biden

What’s your point ? Trump hasn’t abused anything.. he was taking about abuse Joe Biden’s Brother Bagged $54,000,000 in Taxpayer Loans

This is not about Joe Biden or his brother, we are having a trial on tramps impeachment, because he was impeached by the House.

It is about Biden, the Democrats claim investigating his and others corruption in the Ukraine somehow is impeachable. Why do you hide this fact? Biden and Hunter need to be called and be investigated by other than their lying fellow Democrats.

 

[harmonica]

Just min 5.18-5.38, to quiet him up.

a mere 20 sec video. oh the hypocrisy.

....I think most people will go with the lawyer's experience/knowledge/etc and not a USMB member named Penelope

You're incorrect. Everyone but a few tRumplings knows Deshowitz is a wholly owned property of Faux Noise.

ahhhhhh-----?? --??? ok

 

[harmonica]

Just min 5.18-5.38, to quiet him up.

a mere 20 sec video. oh the hypocrisy.

....I think most people will go with the lawyer's experience/knowledge/etc and not a USMB member named Penelope

Dershowitz's experience and knowlege is primarily in defending murderers and child rapists..so I guess defending Trump fits right in for him.

you, Penelope,etc know NOTHING about the law

 

[Leo123]

Just for the dumbass Trumpbots on this thread:

Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 - Wikipedia

Are you all getting stupider or more desperate?

Probably both!

Article II of the so-called impeachment is obstruction of Congress....NOT obstruction of justice. Stop listening to whatever news you get. Talk about stupid....Look in the mirror. BTW we elected Trump to obstruct Congress that is part of his JOB!! You idiot.

 

[Nostra]

Just for the dumbass Trumpbots on this thread:

Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 - Wikipedia

Are you all getting stupider or more desperate?

Probably both!

Hey Dumbass, the Articles of Impeachment say "Obstruction of Congress", not "Obstruction of Justice". You must be thinking of one of the crimes they charged Clinton with.

You couldn't get any more stupid or desperate.

 

[Lakhota]

Fun to watch Democrats whine and cry.

71% of Americans agree with them regarding having documents and witnesses.

 

[Siete]

Fun to watch Democrats whine and cry.

71% of Americans agree with them regarding having documents and witnesses.

rw board morons are too busy being stupid and desperate to notice anything but their pals humping each other -

 

[Leo123]

Fun to watch Democrats whine and cry.

71% of Americans agree with them regarding having documents and witnesses.

rw board morons are too busy being stupid and desperate to notice anything but their pals humping each other -

lw board morons are too busy being stupid and desperate to notice anything but their pals humping each other.