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[georgephillip]

"What Mr. Walker and his backers are trying to do is to make Wisconsin — and eventually, America — less of a functioning democracy and more of a third-world-style oligarchy.

my goodness... Krugman needs to be put in a nut house. He has lost his idiot mind..

I can't believe even the NYslimes would run that crap. but then again it is the SLIMES.

Krugman also mentions Paul Ryan's "unintentionally apt comparison: 'It's like Cairo has moved to Madison.'"

Do you think Ryan slimed Walker, a fellow Republican, by comparing the governor to the recently deposed dictator?

Do you find it sane that Walker cuts taxes for corporations and exempts Republican-leaning unions from his assault on collective bargaining and calls for shared sacrifice?

What sacrifice is Walker asking from those who inflated and crashed an $8 trillion housing bubble?

Only the Koch brothers know.

 

[georgephillip]

"What Mr. Walker and his backers are trying to do is to make Wisconsin — and eventually, America — less of a functioning democracy and more of a third-world-style oligarchy.

Funny he talking about Democracy. It is the Union and their Democrat supporters who are standing in the way of Democracy.

Possibly the union and their supporters see the Koch brothers as a bigger threat to Democracy than collective bargaining.

 

[georgephillip]

We should all be pushing for the criminal prosecutions of the parasites on Wall Street and in Washington responsible for our Great Recession.

Wisconsin Power...

I agree but the perps are the same people who bankroll candidates. We need REAL campaign finance reform so there can't be retaliation and everyone is equal in the eyes of the law. The way things are now, they'd be jailing their masters.

Those who think they'll find reform by voting for a Republican OR a Democrat are only confirming Einstein's theory of insanity.

FLUSH 100 or 200 or more Democrats AND Republicans from DC in 2012 and REAL campaign finance reform becomes possible.

And so does filling US prison with the richest 1% of criminals.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wisconsin Power Play​

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

I am not sure where to begin with the stupidity of the article you quoted.

Should I point out that Krugman is actually ignoring the fact that the unions he is defending are not protecting us from big business, they are adding to the burdens of taxpayers?

Should I point out that public sector unions are a special interest group? That they actually serve the idea of big government by taking more money from taxpayers. That every time a public sector union gets bigger they do so on the backs of little people?

Should I point out that the article you are pinning your hopes on contains a lie? One I am sure Krugman knows is a lie, but which he is equally sure the idiots who follow his every word will miss?

...public-sector workers in Wisconsin and elsewhere are paid somewhat less than private-sector workers with comparable qualifications, so there’s not much room for further pay squeezes.

Krugman knows this is not true, yet you fall for it, and believe that he is taking the noble stance in defense of truth, justice, and the American way.

Horsepuckey.

The Economic Policy Institute points out that the public sector, if you factor in the number of hours they work, make more money than private sector counterparts with equivalent educations. Sometimes that difference is pretty significant.

That is right, the only reason the private sector makes more money is they work more. Imagine that, working harder to get more money.

http://epi.3cdn.net/1c76a91816cb93c747_uum6b5slz.pdf

If you want to learn for yourself just how easy it is to figure out the difference in pay, and how to correct ofr the hours worked, I suggest you start here.

Issue Brief 5 | New Jersey Teacher Salaries Are Comparable to Professional Pay in Private Sector

In the meantime, those of us who already know how to think will sit back and wait for you to catch up.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Ah, so now we are "low rent-low wage wingers" who don't know what's in OUR BEST INTEREST.

That's what I just posted.

You're brilliant.

You didn't even need to duck.

 

[whitehall]

Wisconsin Power Play​

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Same old neo-socialist rabble from fruitsack attacking the rich instead of analyzing the problem. Anyone can get rich in the greatest Country in the world but angry anti-Americans have been trying to convince us that socialism and fascisism are the solutions even when we saw what happened to the USSR. Lobbyists aren't the enemy. Crooked politicians are. Everyone has the right to petition the government including lobbyists and unions. The problem for Wisconsin and other states is that unions are holding the government hostage to demands that the taxpayers can't afford.

 

[Stephanie]

Ah, so now we are "low rent-low wage wingers" who don't know what's in OUR BEST INTEREST.

That's what I just posted.

You're brilliant.

 

[georgephillip]

Wisconsin Power Play​

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Same old neo-socialist rabble from fruitsack attacking the rich instead of analyzing the problem. Anyone can get rich in the greatest Country in the world but angry anti-Americans have been trying to convince us that socialism and fascisism are the solutions even when we saw what happened to the USSR. Lobbyists aren't the enemy. Crooked politicians are. Everyone has the right to petition the government including lobbyists and unions. The problem for Wisconsin and other states is that unions are holding the government hostage to demands that the taxpayers can't afford.

The rich and their $8 trillion housing bubble are the problem in Wisconsin and everywhere else.

This problem takes the form of a lack of demand and tax revenues, and both are usually solved by spending money which is complicated by high rates of unemployment courtesy of the rich parasites who inflated and collapsed the $8 trillion housing bubble.

"If members of Congress are too intimidated to do what is needed to fix the economy, then Wisconsin's legislators should do what common sense dictates: follow the money.

"Rather than taking pay and benefits from schoolteachers and firefighters, it makes sense to take money from the people who have it.

"This means taxing Wisconsin's wealthy and its corporations.

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