All machines must go

[Ray From Cleveland]

Altering ballots isn't the major concern, the fact that HUMANS can be programmed to cheat far easier than machines can IS.

It's much easier to catch a human than it is a machine that's pretty closed off to most everybody. A machine doesn't have to worry about being arrested, tried or convicted of cheating an election.

 

[NightFox]

Altering ballots isn't the major concern, the fact that HUMANS can be programmed to cheat far easier than machines can IS.

It's much easier to catch a human than it is a machine that's pretty closed off to most everybody. A machine doesn't have to worry about being arrested, tried or convicted of cheating an election.

How do you figure that? Humans behavior isn't scripted, in other words I can look at a piece of code and determine EXACTLY what the outcome is going to be, I can't do that with a human being, furthermore altering that code at scale is much more difficult (given existing checks and balances) and it's easier to validate (i.e. testing outcomes on a machine is a straightforward and well understood process).

Humans have been cheating at voting (at scale) for as long as democracy has existed (e.g. Tammany Hall), while no cheating at scale with machines has ever been credibly demonstrated in developed democracies including the U.S. or in the worlds largest Democracy (India) where machine based voting has been the standard for many years.

Personally I see A LOT of potential with block chain based voting as a way to make voting extremely secure while at the same time adding a system to verify the identity of every voter (still a lot of work to be done but it's promising), we'll see how that goes.

 

[billyerock123]

Most of the Maricopa county elections officials were republicans until they didn't cheat for Trump. That makes them democrats? The "auditors" are not elections officials yet they were given access to the voting machines. The chain of custody has been broken therefore the voting machines have to be considered compromised.

The problem here is we're talking about an outsider running for reelection that some people on both sides dislike. Republicans don't march in lockstep like Nazi solders the way Democrats do.

I disagree thats all we see republicans do ... trump shouts I've been cheated ... trump an Rudy say they took ballots and ran them through the counters for Joe Biden many times over and over ... and everyone of you republicans walked in lock step with trumped Rudy lie ... you bought their lies ... first of all ballots have sku numbers on them ... once that Sku number ballot has gone through if someone tries to run it through again that ballot is rejected ... thats one marching lock step you marched through without thinking but trump and Rudy told you it happen ... there are republicans and dems on site to make sure all ballots that are received are logged in counted is made ... you republicans saw a person put a box of ballots under the table, he/she was at ... then a person came up and took them to where they were going to be stored ... you republicans said they weren't counted ... you walk stepper republicans ranted about ...heres the problem with that ... when ballots are received and they all have a count on how many ballots have been received in that box ... at the end of running all those ballots brought in to be counters is their numbers should total... the number ballots in and the number of ballots out ... so far every poll has been balance ... ballots in, ballots out ...... but you republicans walk in lock with trump and his whining about how the ballots were cheated ...

 

[billyerock123]

Altering ballots isn't the major concern, the fact that HUMANS can be programmed to cheat far easier than machines can IS.

It's much easier to catch a human than it is a machine that's pretty closed off to most everybody. A machine doesn't have to worry about being arrested, tried or convicted of cheating an election.

that makes no sense

 

[occupied]

Most of the Maricopa county elections officials were republicans until they didn't cheat for Trump. That makes them democrats? The "auditors" are not elections officials yet they were given access to the voting machines. The chain of custody has been broken therefore the voting machines have to be considered compromised.

The problem here is we're talking about an outsider running for reelection that some people on both sides dislike. Republicans don't march in lockstep like Nazi solders the way Democrats do.

We are talking about outrage that an election ran by republicans didn't produce a republican winner. What kind of message does it send to future election commissions that the party will come for you with knives out if the republican does not win?

 

[ReinyDays]

The mistake in the OP is that ... yes, the machines can be re-programmed ... it's getting away with it that's difficult ...

I understand y'all are using WinTel boxes and expect all computers to be that rotten and vulnerable ... and y'all have to pay to be so abused ... however, there is an alternative that's free and without the problems y'all experience ... UNIX-like systems keep a log of all activity in the root account, and typically only one person has "write-access" to this root account ... not that someone can't re-program such a machine, just the machine will say it's been re-programmed, and any administrator would have "read-only" access to these files ...

If these machines were tinkered with, we would have known the day after the election ...

 

[frigidweirdo]

Hobbs and maricopa county Dems just made the case.

They claim their machines cannot be used again because the "cyber ninjas" are going to program them to cheat.

So they admit the machines can be programmed to cheat.

They just want us to believe they, the Dems, are too altruistic to cheat themselves.

When dem senators, including klobuchar and Wyden, expressed concern of this issue years ago, they got nowhere, no answers, and have since shut up.

Indeed, since the Dems admit the machines canbe programmed to cheat, then they should ALWAYS BE AUDITED.

But the Dems are against audits.


1. They know the machines can cheat
2. They don't want audits
3. Biden won many states where the GOP took both state house and senate


I say all machines need to go. We need 100% verifiable paper ballots.

The founders of dominion are the enemies of truth, freedom, democracy, and free and fair elections.

They are the worst enemy America has ever faced, as our free and fair elections are our sovereignty, and they just stole it at the prez level this time.

Does it matter? The US doesn't have democracy. It has a sham of allowing people to waste their time voting, while fixing the system so it benefits those who control the system.

 

[NightFox]

Hobbs and maricopa county Dems just made the case.

They claim their machines cannot be used again because the "cyber ninjas" are going to program them to cheat.

So they admit the machines can be programmed to cheat.

They just want us to believe they, the Dems, are too altruistic to cheat themselves.

When dem senators, including klobuchar and Wyden, expressed concern of this issue years ago, they got nowhere, no answers, and have since shut up.

Indeed, since the Dems admit the machines canbe programmed to cheat, then they should ALWAYS BE AUDITED.

But the Dems are against audits.


1. They know the machines can cheat
2. They don't want audits
3. Biden won many states where the GOP took both state house and senate


I say all machines need to go. We need 100% verifiable paper ballots.

The founders of dominion are the enemies of truth, freedom, democracy, and free and fair elections.

They are the worst enemy America has ever faced, as our free and fair elections are our sovereignty, and they just stole it at the prez level this time.

Does it matter? The US doesn't have democracy. It has a sham of allowing people to waste their time voting, while fixing the system so it benefits those who control the system.

Yes we do, we have 50 (representative) democracies, also known as "The States".

 

[Moonglow]

So they admit the machines can be programmed to cheat.

Voting machines can be programmed to cheat is news to you? One would think that would be self evident to anyone that has been paying attention, the relevant questions are:

1. Are checks and balances in place to reduce the probability of such programming in place and to detect it if it occurs at scale
2. Is the difficulty of programming such machines to cheat at scale sufficient to make the exercise not worth the potential pay off

The answer to both questions is affirmative in most cases.

Show us your information you used to formulate yer hypothesis..

 

[NightFox]

So they admit the machines can be programmed to cheat.

Voting machines can be programmed to cheat is news to you? One would think that would be self evident to anyone that has been paying attention, the relevant questions are:

1. Are checks and balances in place to reduce the probability of such programming in place and to detect it if it occurs at scale
2. Is the difficulty of programming such machines to cheat at scale sufficient to make the exercise not worth the potential pay off

The answer to both questions is affirmative in most cases.

Show us your information you used to formulate yer hypothesis..

Let's start with the fact there are ZERO credibly demonstrated instances of cheating at scale with machine based voting in any developed Democracy including the U.S. and India (the world's largest Democracy that has been using machine based voting for over a decade).

RESULTS over time are the best indicator of reality.

Beyond (in the interests of time and effort) that there is sufficient credible documentation regarding the security of machine based voting systems for your perusal available that way ----> GOOGLE , that is if you're actually interested in the subject.

 

[Moonglow]

So they admit the machines can be programmed to cheat.

Voting machines can be programmed to cheat is news to you? One would think that would be self evident to anyone that has been paying attention, the relevant questions are:

1. Are checks and balances in place to reduce the probability of such programming in place and to detect it if it occurs at scale
2. Is the difficulty of programming such machines to cheat at scale sufficient to make the exercise not worth the potential pay off

The answer to both questions is affirmative in most cases.

Show us your information you used to formulate yer hypothesis..

Let's start with the fact there are ZERO credibly demonstrated instances of cheating at scale with machine based voting in any developed Democracy including the U.S. and India (the world's largest Democracy that has been using machine based voting for over a decade).

RESULTS over time are the best indicator of reality.

Beyond (in the interests of time and effort) that there is sufficient credible documentation regarding the security of machine based voting systems for your perusal available that way ----> GOOGLE , that is if you're actually interested in the subject.

I know I just wanted to see you post...These are the same machines that allowed Trump to win before and there was no problem then because Trump was saying it was the illegals that lost him the popular vote...During the Russian election interference inquiry the Repubs in Congress said that the voting machines can't be tampered with during an election by out side sources..
Which is why after doing audits after the election the strategy now is to go after mail in ballots.

 

[NightFox]

So they admit the machines can be programmed to cheat.

Voting machines can be programmed to cheat is news to you? One would think that would be self evident to anyone that has been paying attention, the relevant questions are:

1. Are checks and balances in place to reduce the probability of such programming in place and to detect it if it occurs at scale
2. Is the difficulty of programming such machines to cheat at scale sufficient to make the exercise not worth the potential pay off

The answer to both questions is affirmative in most cases.

Show us your information you used to formulate yer hypothesis..

Let's start with the fact there are ZERO credibly demonstrated instances of cheating at scale with machine based voting in any developed Democracy including the U.S. and India (the world's largest Democracy that has been using machine based voting for over a decade).

RESULTS over time are the best indicator of reality.

Beyond (in the interests of time and effort) that there is sufficient credible documentation regarding the security of machine based voting systems for your perusal available that way ----> GOOGLE , that is if you're actually interested in the subject.

I know I just wanted to see you post...These are the same machines that allowed Trump to win before and there was no problem then because Trump was saying it was the illegals that lost him the popular vote...During the Russian election interference inquiry the Repubs in Congress said that the voting machines can't be tampered with during an election by out side sources..
Which is why after doing audits after the election the strategy now is to go after mail in ballots.

.. and yet I seem to recall many Democrats complaining about "cheating" when Donny won the election. At the time I thought all the lemmings-D whining was incredibly pathetic and then 2020 came along and the lemmings-R totally managed to "out pathetic" them with their non stop whining and outlandish conspiracy fairy tales regarding Donny getting his ass kicked.

Both sides have become engaged in a race to see who can be the sorest, most pathetic losers.

"It's like Deja-Vu, all over again" -- Yogi Bera

 

[Auld Phart]

Hobbs and maricopa county Dems just made the case.

They claim their machines cannot be used again because the "cyber ninjas" are going to program them to cheat.

So they admit the machines can be programmed to cheat.

They just want us to believe they, the Dems, are too altruistic to cheat themselves.

When dem senators, including klobuchar and Wyden, expressed concern of this issue years ago, they got nowhere, no answers, and have since shut up.

Indeed, since the Dems admit the machines canbe programmed to cheat, then they should ALWAYS BE AUDITED.

But the Dems are against audits.


1. They know the machines can cheat
2. They don't want audits
3. Biden won many states where the GOP took both state house and senate


I say all machines need to go. We need 100% verifiable paper ballots.

The founders of dominion are the enemies of truth, freedom, democracy, and free and fair elections.

They are the worst enemy America has ever faced, as our free and fair elections are our sovereignty, and they just stole it at the prez level this time.

Multiple threads on the machines, most of them merged.

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