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These are not the same thing. I looked at both polls. I found your poll by "Data for Progress" to be much more hypothetical and vague than the Reuters poll.Most Americans do not support funding the Ukrainian Russian war. Your unsourced poll stat is not worth a grain of salt.
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“Nearly 60 percent of Americans would support the United States engaging in diplomatic efforts “as soon as possible” to end the war in Ukraine, even if that means Ukraine having to make concessions to Russia, according to a new poll. “
Your comment:These are not the same thing. I looked at both polls. I found your poll by "Data for Progress" to be much more hypothetical and vague than the Reuters poll.
Supporting diplomatic efforts is not controversial.
Your poll does have the non-hypothetical question of continued support to Ukraine. Last question, page 7- the choice is to continue support, with or without simultaneous diplomatic efforts. Republican support 87%, Democratic support 94%. Average 88%.
Both questions are measuring support- the first is unconditional, the second conditions that support on simultaneous diplomatic efforts. The sum then, is the total support- providing diplomatic efforts continue "where possible". (their wording, not mine).
First your poll, then the Reuters/Ipsos poll.
My statement was clearly my opinion, "I found your poll to be more hypothetical and vague than the Reuters Poll"Your comment:
“I found your poll by "Data for Progress" to be much more hypothetical and vague than the Reuters poll.”
The above statement is untrue in more than one falsehood being made by you but it’s hard to know if you realize that or not.
Apparently we have different definitions for the word hypothetical. The poll I sourced was an actual poll not a hypothetical poll.My statement was clearly my opinion, "I found your poll to be more hypothetical and vague than the Reuters Poll"
Even the one you cite is a hypothetical.
"Would you support or oppose the United States pursuing
diplomatic negotiations as soon as possible to end the war in
U k r a i n e , even if it means Ukraine making some
compromises with Russia?"
The bolding is in the poll, not mine. And to repeat- diplomatic engagement is not controversial. Of course people will support that.
Same with several other questions in that poll,
"please state whether you would still support the U.S. providing aid to Ukraine at current levels if they were to occur"
The first half of the poll is ranking "top 3 issues", none of which get a majority, the closest being "climate change" with democrats getting 49%.
The second half of the poll is mostly hypotheticals- the nature of the questions is "if this were to occur, do you still support?"
higher gas prices
greater economic hardship
risk of nuclear war
risk of an attack on NATO ally
US troops in Ukraine
greater loss of life in Ukraine
permanent loss of territory for Ukraine
You act as if your poll is measuring current opinions, and other than the "top 3 issues" section and the last question, it really isn't doing that at all. It's mostly "what-ifs". This is a comprehension thing on your part. I am not trying to persuade you of anything.
The Reuters poll does not do that. The questions assume the current situation. There are a couple that include "even if the price goes up", but the basis of the question is still current situation.
For me, the Reuters poll is simpler, it's from someone I have heard of, and the questions are less ambiguous. I give it more weight than the "Data for Progress" poll, (whose name sounds to me like some spinoff of the Obama data people).
Regardless, both polls agree that large majorities on both sides support Ukraine.
I posted the links to both polls. Members can look a them and come to their own conclusions. I do not need some journo or talking head to interpret things for me. I look at their source material, and decide for myself what it means.
Um, the poll was real or I couldn't have linked it.Apparently we have different definitions for the word hypothetical. The poll I sourced was an actual poll not a hypothetical poll.
Um, the poll was real or I couldn't have linked it.
The questions are mostly hypotheticals. Are you this dense in person?
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