al-Nakba by al-Jazeera

[amity1844]

Sally, you are so gullible. I told you before, I don't think Palestinians would want to convert to Judaism. They are quite happy with their modern identity.

if on the other hand they want to fill out 11 million applications for Aliyah, I'm with them! Call a press conference!

The right to return is anchored in four separate bodies of international law: nationality law, as applied upon state succession; humanitarian law; human rights law; and refugee law. The following section presents nationality regulations in successor states. States have domestic discretion in regulating their nationality status, but this is limited by several binding obligations under international law.42

There are three main rights-obligations with regard to nationality law that some may urge obtaining a customary status, thus binding upon all states:

First, the right to obtain the nationality of the successor state: according to international law on the succession of states,43 the habitual inhabitants, regardless of their physical presence, of the geographical territory coming under new sovereignty are offered nationality by the new state.44

Second, the right of return is an obligation owed by a state to all other states: states are required to readmit their own nationals as refusal to do so would imposes an obligation to receive or host, the rejected individual on another state (the rule of readmission).

Third, the prohibition against (mass) denationalisation prohibits a state from using revocation of nationality status (i.e. denationalisation) as a way to avoid its obligation to admit its own nationals (Boling 2001).

http://cadmus.eui.eu/bitstream/handle/1814/8162/CARIM RR-2007-07.pdf?sequence=1

This would mean, for example, that 80% of the people in Gaza are Israeli citizens.

Thanks, that is a start to my understanding of international law! Why only 80% of Gazans?

 

[amity1844]

Says you, but the Israeli authorities say they are not, and they are the ones who have the say-so. By the way, Mr. Tinmore, do you think that the millions and millions of displaced people after World War II should have started whining about going back to their own countries in which their ancestors lived thousands of years or do you think they were smart to get on with their lives?

Sally, can I ask you to please moderate yourself a bit. You sound so shrill and it really ruins the tone of the conversation sometimes. Sounds immature.

At any rate, I don't believe that either Tinmore or I was thinking that Israel would say "oh, really?" and welcome the Palestinians back home based on discussions of international law or genetics. So don't worry. Nonetheless these are important issues for everyone who cares about the future of Israel/Palestine, and Tinmore obviously knows his stuff, so I want to talk more about it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sally, you are so gullible. I told you before, I don't think Palestinians would want to convert to Judaism. They are quite happy with their modern identity.

if on the other hand they want to fill out 11 million applications for Aliyah, I'm with them! Call a press conference!

The right to return is anchored in four separate bodies of international law: nationality law, as applied upon state succession; humanitarian law; human rights law; and refugee law. The following section presents nationality regulations in successor states. States have domestic discretion in regulating their nationality status, but this is limited by several binding obligations under international law.42

There are three main rights-obligations with regard to nationality law that some may urge obtaining a customary status, thus binding upon all states:

First, the right to obtain the nationality of the successor state: according to international law on the succession of states,43 the habitual inhabitants, regardless of their physical presence, of the geographical territory coming under new sovereignty are offered nationality by the new state.44

Second, the right of return is an obligation owed by a state to all other states: states are required to readmit their own nationals as refusal to do so would imposes an obligation to receive or host, the rejected individual on another state (the rule of readmission).

Third, the prohibition against (mass) denationalisation prohibits a state from using revocation of nationality status (i.e. denationalisation) as a way to avoid its obligation to admit its own nationals (Boling 2001).

http://cadmus.eui.eu/bitstream/handle/1814/8162/CARIM RR-2007-07.pdf?sequence=1

This would mean, for example, that 80% of the people in Gaza are Israeli citizens.

Thanks, that is a start to my understanding of international law! Why only 80% of Gazans?

That other 20% were the people who lived there before 1948. The rest were refugees from the Part of Palestine that was taken over by Israel.

 

[Sally]

Says you, but the Israeli authorities say they are not, and they are the ones who have the say-so. By the way, Mr. Tinmore, do you think that the millions and millions of displaced people after World War II should have started whining about going back to their own countries in which their ancestors lived thousands of years or do you think they were smart to get on with their lives?

Sally, can I ask you to please moderate yourself a bit. You sound so shrill and it really ruins the tone of the conversation sometimes. Sounds immature.

At any rate, I don't believe that either Tinmore or I was thinking that Israel would say "oh, really?" and welcome the Palestinians back home based on discussions of international law or genetics. So don't worry. Nonetheless these are important issues for everyone who cares about the future of Israel/Palestine, and Tinmore obviously knows his stuff, so I want to talk more about it.

You know, Amity speaking of immature, so many times you actually sound like you are still in high school. Why don't you moderate yourself with your silliness in telling posters who disagree with you that their I.Q. is low, that they are unable to read, etc. etc. Look in the mirror when you tell others to moderate themselves. If you think Tinmore knows his stuff, I would say that most of the viewers are smart enough to realize that Aris knows her stuff, but you constantly put her down. Rocco knows hiw stuff also, but Tinmore constantly puts him down. By the way, the Palestinians are not coming back into Israel to turn it into another Muslim country as much as you and Tinmore are hoping for this..

 

[amity1844]

So is there a difference under international law between the status of people in the West Bank v. Gaza?

 

[Sally]

So is there a difference under international law between the status of people in the West Bank v. Gaza?

Israel can choose who can immigrate or not, just like any country can. Your friends are not going to be allowed in so that they can eventually run the country.

 

[amity1844]

Sally, I don't think you even see what the issue is here.

 

[Sally]

Sally, I don't think you even see what the issue is here.

Evidently you don't seem to understand that every country has the right to have its own immigration laws. Why not check the immigration laws of the countries around the world and tell us what they say? I think it is quite obvious to the readers that you want all the so-called Palestinians to arrive en masse into Israel to take over by virtue of their huge numbers. It is not going to happen. Israel is not going to destroy itself regardless of what you and your brethren want.

 

[amity1844]

Did we mention immigration laws?

 

[fanger]

Evidently you don't seem to understand that every country has the right to have its own immigration laws. Why not check the immigration laws of the countries around the world and tell us what they say? I think it is quite obvious to the readers that you want all the so-called Palestinians to arrive en masse into Israel to take over by virtue of their huge numbers. It is not going to happen. Israel is not going to destroy itself regardless of what you and your brethren want.

Well. it has happened before, think Jewish immigrants into Palestine

 

[amity1844]

Exactly!

 

[amity1844]

I wish I had seen this in time to include it with the original post.

Its a panel discussion of British historians about Britain's role prior to and during the mandate: