After this...

[TemplarKormac]

After this, after I saw the service, how Erika conquered sorrow itself to deliver a message of forgiveness, how she pleaded for unity, I couldn't take it anymore. I am a conservative, but a political atheist. I don't believe in a two-party system; however, I find that my views constantly draw the ire of the political left. The same political left that spawned the assassin who killed Charlie Kirk. After what has transpired, I have been radicalized. I find that this is a battle I cannot avoid. I don't go looking for a battle to fight, but I feel this battle has found me. I feel, as a conservative, something stirring within me. I want to fight back in my own way, conquer this senseless violence with the gifts I have been given. Not with fists or guns, but with speech and intelligence. With raw facts and reality. With brains, not brawn.

All I ever wanted for America was for her citizens to get along, but I fear that time may have long since passed. Can I be a political pacifist anymore? Can I sit idly by while others fight for their beliefs in the political arena? I feel like I can no longer run from this anymore.

The old saying goes: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war." Though I wouldn't qualify this as a war... yet. I never wanted to be anyone's enemy, but on the left, they insist on making me one. So be it. If they wish to wage a political fight, one done with words instead of bullets, so be it. I am here. The gauntlet is thrown.

After this, there can be given no quarter to those who insist on violence to quell the speech of those they disagree with. I will be as Charlie was, a challenger, a debater, and a God fearing conservative.

May God rest your soul, Charlie.

 

[frigidweirdo]

After this, after I saw the service, how Ericka conquered sorrow itself to deliver a message of forgiveness, how she pleaded for unity. I am a conservative, but a political atheist. I don't believe in a two-party system; however, I find that my views constantly draw the ire of the political left. The same political left that spawned the assassin who killed Charlie Kirk. After what has transpired, I have been radicalized. I find that this is a battle I cannot avoid. I don't go looking for a battle to fight, but I feel this battle has found me. I feel, as a conservative, something stirring within me. I want to fight back in my own way, conquer this senseless violence with the gifts I have been given. Not with fists or guns, but with speech and intelligence. With raw facts and reality. With brains, not brawn.

All I ever wanted for America was for her citizens to get along, but I fear that time may have long since passed. Can I be a political pacifist anymore? Can I sit idly by while others fight for their beliefs in the political arena? I feel like I can no longer run from this anymore.

The old saying goes: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war." Though I wouldn't qualify this as a war... yet. I never wanted to be anyone's enemy, but on the left, they insist on making me one. So be it. If they wish to wage a political fight, one done with words instead of bullets, so be it. I am here. The gauntlet is thrown.

After this, there can be given no quarter to those who insist on violence to quell the speech of those they disagree with. I will be as Charlie was, a challenger, a debater, and a God fearing conservative.

May God rest your soul, Charlie.

What do you want to fight for, political unity or political division?

If it's the former, then fight for Proportional Representation, if it's a the latter, then join the majority on this forum who revel in the division.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What do you want to fight for, political unity or political division?

If it's the former, then fight for Proportional Representation, if it's a the latter, then join the majority on this forum who revel in the division.

To be honest, the division already exists. I feel people like me have been pushed away, by the extremists on your side of the aisle. And what have you done to stop them (not you personally, the people you voted for)?

When the House voted to condemn the assassination, 58 Democrats voted against it. The Democratic Party does not have the courage to bring its extremist element to heel. And they will continue with their extremist behavior until another Charlie Kirk dies, or another right-wing figure is targeted for death.

I don't revel in the division. I speak against it. But I feel I have been made a reluctant warrior. One who must fight even when he doesn't want to.

Proportional representation does very little when there are those being targeted for speaking their minds. How do you represent someone you seek to silence?

 

[TemplarKormac]

If it's the former, then fight for Proportional Representation

Answer me this:

How will that stop the violence? How will that bring both sides to the table?

 

[Mac1958]

What do you want to fight for, political unity or political division?

If it's the former, then fight for Proportional Representation, if it's a the latter, then join the majority on this forum who revel in the division.

The number of people who post regularly on this board and sincerely want communication, collaboration and innovation by our "leaders" is in the single digits. Low to mid single digits. The rest are essentially caricatures -- although, admittedly, that population in the country appears to be growing rapidly.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The number of people who post regularly on this board and sincerely want communication, collaboration and innovation by our "leaders" is in the single digits. Low to mid single digits. The rest are essentially caricatures -- although, admittedly, that population in the country appears to be growing rapidly.

You can check my posts discouraging those on this board from seeking something other than civil political discourse, but I must also be ready to engage those who come to me, too. I can't sit here and turn the other cheek forever. I can for a time, but not forever.

 

[frigidweirdo]

To be honest, the division already exists. I feel people like me have been pushed away, by the extremists on your side of the aisle. And what have you done to stop them (not you personally, the people you voted for)?

When the House voted to condemn the assassination, 58 Democrats voted against it. The Democratic Party does not have the courage to bring its extremist element to heel. And they will continue with their extremist behavior until another Charlie Kirk dies, or another right-wing figure is targeted for death.

I don't revel in the division. I speak against it. But I feel I have been made a reluctant warrior. One who must fight even when he doesn't.

Proportional representation does very little when there are those being targeted for speaking their minds. How do you represent someone you seek to silence?

Of course the division exists. Division will always exist.

However there are different levels of division. There's Spain pre-civil war, and there division where people can get along with each other.

The US is heading towards civil war division.

The extremists are there. Why? Because there are only two political parties. Where do the extremists go? To the Reps and the Dems.

In Germany, those extremists would go to extremist parties, like the AfD, like the NPD (basically the Nazis), like die Linke, like the Communists.

There's an outlet for those people to be heard. In the US they can only be heard by joining one of the two parties that have a voice. And they do.

So, the Dems are at war with each other, the Reps are at war with each other, they have to claim some kind of unity in order to get power, so they do, and then they end up with all this division.

Ironically I wrote a post about Charlie Kirk a few hours ago, and I had to find a video of him talking to some student and what I came across was the question "why is there division in the US?"

Post in thread 'Over 100,000 people expected to attend Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service tomorrow.'

Sep 22, 2025

then Kirk was a ******* moron who was trying to take the country to a bad place.

Have you ever heard Charlie Kirk speak on any subject? You can be a hater, but calling him a moron is absurd. The man was brilliant, he was an entrepreneur and a visionary. He was instrumental in delivering a significant number of young voters to Trump. That's probably why you hate him.

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Post 53 is my answer.

The one quote I will post from Kirk is the question of why there is division: "It is not because of conservatives".....

He blamed the liberals for the division. Said it was nothing to do with conservatives. He was spreading division with that remark. Made no attempt at answering the question properly. No attempt at looking at the root causes. Just "it's liberals".

Actually PR does a lot when there's division. The changes that would happen would be this:

In the first election people probably would struggle to understand what's going on. But by the second election people would realize they could vote for whoever they want.

Politicians would need to have a POSITIVE MESSAGE, instead of a "the other side sucks" message.

They'd need to stand for things, have positions that different to other similar parties. So instead of being "well, I don't want the dems to get in, so I'll vote Rep even though I don't like this policy or that person" and the Reps going "wow, all these people support this bad policy because they voted for me"

Instead if they don't like a policy, don't like an attitude, they'd vote someone else.

Instead of a choice of two, you have a choice of at least 6, if not 10 people. Don't like Trump or Harris, vote someone else.

Politicians would have to stand for something and it'd have to be mostly positive.

Of course, the AfD in Germany is getting by on negative politics, but they're not getting into government, they're not controlling things, but they are tempering the CDU/CSU, forcing them to have policies that keep them in power.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The number of people who post regularly on this board and sincerely want communication, collaboration and innovation by our "leaders" is in the single digits. Low to mid single digits. The rest are essentially caricatures -- although, admittedly, that population in the country appears to be growing rapidly.

Yes, the OP seems to be someone who is at least willing to listen, have a conversation, so I do suggest you give them the time.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The US is heading towards civil war division.

Then if we are on that path, I cannot run from war, lest the war find me.

 

[Dorian Mode]

To be honest, the division already exists. I feel people like me have been pushed away, by the extremists on your side of the aisle. And what have you done to stop them (not you personally, the people you voted for)?

These neo-leftists haven't just pushed the right and the center away, they pushed a lot of moderate democraps away. They keep pushing the boundary of extremism and those that can't keep up get ostracized. What interests me is that the democrap politicians prioritize the extremists. Why? What benefit do they actually give?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes, the OP seems to be someone who is at least willing to listen, have a conversation, so I do suggest you give them the time.

Thank you for that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Then if we are on that path, I cannot run from war, lest the war find me.

Well, you could stand up and be heard. You could push for the change that is necessary.

You could educate yourself on what can be done.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Well, you could stand up and be heard. You could push for the change that is necessary.

You could educate yourself on what can be done.

And those things will be my weapons of war. Not fists, not guns, but speech. Knowledge.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You have to understand something, though: I was a far-right extremist into my mid-20s. This political upheaval threatens to bring that extremism back into the light, but what I have now that I didn't then is learned restraint. I can channel that extremism into something productive instead. A level-headed effort to fight disinformation about people who share my views.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And those things will be my weapons of war. Not fists, not guns, but speech. Knowledge.

Perhaps it's better to use them before the war comes, because wars are about killing.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Perhaps it's better to use them before the war comes, because wars are about killing.

Not always. The tacticians rarely fight; they stick back and direct the war. I'm not a fighter, I'm a thinker.

Even still, I'll defend myself if need be. But I'd rather it not come to that.

 

[Dorian Mode]

And those things will be my weapons of war. Not fists, not guns, but speech. Knowledge.

You may want to invest in a bullet proof vest. Full body armor would be better. The neo-leftists are armed to the teeth with the weapons they want banned.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Well, you could stand up and be heard. You could push for the change that is necessary.

I'll continue doing that, rest assured.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You may want to invest in a bullet proof vest. Full body armor would be better. The neo-leftists are armed to the teeth with the weapons they want banned.

In certain situations, the truth shatters a person easier than a bullet can. Reality can pierce the heart better than any hollow point.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You have to understand something, though: I was a far-right extremist into my mid-20s. This political upheaval threatens to bring that extremism back into the light, but what I have now that I didn't then is learned restraint. I can channel that extremism into something productive instead. A level-headed effort to fight disinformation about people who share my views.

Well, you'll find that those people who are most sensible are the ones who try and find the most neutral path. Who look at the evidence and come to a logical conclusion.

There are a few on this board like this, and none of them are MAGA. Why do you think that is?