Europe's Shadow
Why shouldn't American be allowed to talk about narcotics consumption more freely when the Dutch sell it openly in bars and cafes while European stewardesses involve themselves in lucrative opium-smuggling operations?
If the Colorado experiment does not work out, people just might claim that the USA is somehow culturally lagging behind Holland in the department of 'libertine consumerism.'
I don't give a crap what Europe does. Nor do I care if 'people might claim'. Are we so pathetic of a people, that all we worry about is what other people might say?
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And how many had problems with Alcohol in 2012
About 10,000 innocent people were killed by drunk drivers
About 35,000 Alcohol related crashes
About 20,000 related deaths from Liver and Cancer disease
About 3,000,000 were victims of an Alcohol related Violence
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I don't understand this comment at all. What is your point? What the purpose of this post?
It's like "this pill can cause death", and having the response "Yeah well people can die from Aspirin too!"
Yeah... that's true. Does that change ANYTHING we just said?
There are places in America today, where Alcohol is banned. If you want to have a drink, you have to drive to a different town or city to get it.
If you want to debate the pros- and cons- of that policy, feel free to do so in a thread about Alcohol.
This thread is about legalized pot. When you bring up Alcohol, you just lost the debate. We're all back in school, and you are flicking spit wads across the room, and when caught going "yeah well billy did X!" We don't care. We're not talking about alcohol.
We are discussing legalized intoxicants consumed by Adults.
It is not terribly mysterious why you' d try to exclude a traditional intoxicant from a non traditional one: otherwise you have no grounds for debate.
We're not excluding. If you want to debate banning alcohol, let's debate that. That saying X is bad, does not mean Y is good.
In fact, it is EXACTLY because of the alcohol problem, that I'm against legalizing this. There were people just like you, claiming that Alcohol doesn't cause crime, doesn't cause problems, and because of that we legalized Alcohol.
Now you are pointing at that, as if that's a success of your 'legalize it" past. It's not, It's exactly the proof we shouldn't legalize these drugs.
Alcohol "doesn't cause crime, doesn't cause problems...and because of that we legalized alcohol?"
So I guess during prohibition, there was no crime, huh genius?
Especially when we don't enforce the law.
The argument goes on about the speed limit. We have too many speeders. Let's lower the speed limit then. Now we have even more speeders.
Removing the law doesn't make crime go away. It makes it worse.
The key is enforcement. If Chicago had ruthlessly enforced the law, Capone would never have existed. If New York had ruthlessly enforced the law, there would not have been speakeasy's all over the city.
The problem is, we don't enforce the law. That's all there is too it.
Again, Singapore does not have these problems, not because they don't have laws, but because they ruthlessly enforce the law.
You keep referring to crime during the prohibition. But the problem was, we didn't enforce the laws. In the states where prohibition was completely enforced, there were no Al Capones.
Any law that you don't enforce... is going to look like a failure.
